Cash Game Fixed Limit betting cap? (1 Viewer)

[Emlemleml]

So..
We have been playing some mixed games, mostly the games from the 8 game.
And we have played with a 1 bet and 3 raises cap (4 bets/street).
But I've read some places that the betting cap is removed when heads up.

How do you guys play?
And if you remove the cap when headsup, how do you solve that one?

i.e. - does it have to be heads up from the start of the hand (like blind vs blind, or bring in vs steal)?
- is the cap removed after p1 bet, p2 call, p3 fold, and then on the next street it's uncapped?
- cap removed after p1 bet, p2 raise, p3 call, p4 raise, p1 raise, p2 fold, p3 fold, p4 is now headsup with p1 so its uncapped between p4 and p1 (this is probably very unlikely thouhg)?

You guys do probably have an easy rule of thumb to follow

 

[ruskba]

The betting round has to start heads up for there to be no cap. Your second example is the correct scenario.

I believe the first betting round always has a cap since there’s always more than two players involved.

 

[pltrgyst]

The betting round has to start heads up for there to be no cap. Your second example is the correct scenario.

^ This.

 

[Jz44]

The casinos here in MN are a bet and 4 raises is a cap, and the second a hand is heads up the cap is removed regardless of how many started the hand or street.

 

[Emlemleml]

The casinos here in MN are a bet and 4 raises is a cap, and the second a hand is heads up the cap is removed regardless of how many started the hand or street.

So the Minnesota way is more in line with this scenario then..

- cap removed after p1 bet, p2 raise, p3 call, p4 raise, p1 raise, p2 fold, p3 fold, p4 is now headsup with p1 so its uncapped between p4 and p1 (this is probably very unlikely thouhg)?

correct?

 

[Jz44]

So the Minnesota way is more in line with this scenario then..

correct?

Exactly. The only thing that matters is how many players are still in the hand at the time you want to raise past the normal cap.

 

[Emlemleml]

Hmm, have you played in these games yourself?
I'm kind of debating myself whether or not this seems fair in my head, it feels like this setup gives plenty of room to push ppl out of the hand... But then again, on the other hand, people are very much welcome to chase.

What do you think?

 

[Jz44]

I've played plenty of the hold em this way, not the mixed games.

Limit by nature is a drawing game, so people will be chasing. What you normally see is a few capped multiway pots preflop a session that slow down after. If things get nuts on the flop again it's big made hands vs. draws and someone slows down in the turn and river. If things get nuts on the river it's either a huge cooler or someone can't hand read at all.

 

[Emlemleml]

or someone can't hand read at all.

Hahahaha

 

[RowdyRawhide]

The casinos here in MN are a bet and 4 raises is a cap, and the second a hand is heads up the cap is removed regardless of how many started the hand or street.

^^^^^^this is how I've always played. If you want the betting to stop, just call

 

[upNdown]

If it's a split pot game and there's a rake, make sure you know what the rake is capped at. Because if you start firing bets back and forth on a pot that's gonna be split anyway, you might just be donating rake.

 

[Emlemleml]

Hmm... so its 2vs2

 

[ruskba]

I think the only situation I wouldn’t really care for in the Minnesota version is if you have say 4 players, and it goes P1 bet, P2 raise, P3 raise, P4 raise (capped), P1 fold, P2 fold, now P3 can raise even though it was capped?

It’s not the worst situation, and wouldn’t stop be from playing, but seems odd that in the same round you can cap the betting and then still face a raise.

 

[Emlemleml]

Very good point indeed, dunno how often it will happen thoug.
Gotta say I back and forth on this one.

 

[ruskba]

As with any rule, as long as it’s made clear to your players and enforced consistently, you shouldn’t have a problem.

 

[JustinInMN]

If things get nuts on the river it's either a huge cooler or someone can't hand read at all.

As a fellow Minnesota resident and Canterbury Park regular I can confirm this is true.

The last time I was involved in a pot that went more than 5 bets, I had , Flop came turn river , we went 7 bets on this River, the poor other guy had .

I felt double bad because if I had we would have hit the bad beat jackpot, but because I am only playing one hole card, instead just a cooler.

But again, he figured it out on the 7th bet.

12-14 years ago going past the cap heads up seemed more common, I remember players putting 8-9 bets in with non-nut one card flushes.

But today it's rare. It's actually common that jackpot hands (quads beat) even stop at 4-5 bets.

If it's a split pot game and there's a rake, make sure you know what the rake is capped at. Because if you start firing bets back and forth on a pot that's gonna be split anyway, you might just be donating rake.

Very important consideration. At Canterbury there is 6/12 Omaha8, 10/20 mix (usually hold'em, o8, stud8, bigO), and 40/80 mix (sometimes 6-7 games.). In the latter two the rake usually caps pretty quick. (10% up to 5 on the lower games, 5% up to 4 on 40/80 iirc.). But this is definitely a consideration in 6/12.

To be honest in my experience in the split pot game, very seldom does the river go more than two bets unless there's a scoop potential. Even in O8 and bigO players play nut lows carefully heads up for fear of quartering.

As with any rule, as long as it’s made clear to your players and enforced consistently, you shouldn’t have a problem.

Definitely not a problem in Minnesota, I've been playing publicly since 2003, the rule has been this way the whole time.