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I have been keeping 7 card stud on the back burner for a short hand at night. I understand the gameplay fully, and have played it before with old timers who were able to deal.

We generally run a $.25/50 Cent game

It’s always the betting structure that throws me off. If we had a $.25 ante -with another $.25 bring in to the low card.

My understanding is most home games and some casinos cap It at three raises. So this means the first raise would be $.50, the next person would raise to a dollar, and the last person would be able to raise to a buck 1.50

Then on six and seventh Street, we would double it, going one dollar, two dollar, and a final raise to three dollars?
 
First action, bet: .25
Second action, raise 1: .50
Third action, raise 2: .75
Fourth action, raise 3: $1, ends the betting if capped at 3 raises.

Later streets: same but goes .50, 1.00, 1.50, 2.00.

So no, I dont think youre correct on the later streets. Adding 50 cents each time, not a full dollar. The raise amount is atleast as much as the last person raised, not doubling the full bet
 
I have been keeping card stud on the back burner for a short hand at night. I understand the gameplay fully, and have played it before with old timers who were able to deal.

We generally run a $.25/50 Cent game

It’s always the betting structure that throws me off. If we had a $.25 ante -with another $.25 bring in to the low card.

My understanding is most home games and some casinos cap It at three raises. So this means the first raise would be $.50, the next person would raise to a dollar, and the last person would be able to raise to a buck 1.50

Then on six and seventh Street, we would double it, going one dollar, two dollar, and a final raise to three dollars?
So the standard stud structure is something like this.

The small limit is on 3rd and 4th Street, the big limit is on 5th, 6th, and 7th streets.

The bring in is a forced bet for the low door card to start the action on 3rd street. The bring that is a portion of the small limit somewhere between 20-50% of the small limit.

The ante is posted by every player and I usually see that set at 25-50% of the bring in.

For 0.25/0.50 limit that would be your small and big limits. The ante and bring in would both be fractions of the small limit. I would set the ante at 0.05 and the bring in at 0.10 at these stakes.
 
So the standard stud structure is something like this.

The small limit is on 3rd and 4th Street, the big limit is on 5th, 6th, and 7th streets.

The bring in is a forced bet for the low door card to start the action on 3rd street. The bring that is a portion of the small limit somewhere between 20-50% of the small limit.

The ante is posted by every player and I usually see that set at 25-50% of the bring in.

For 0.25/0.50 limit that would be your small and big limits. The ante and bring in would both be fractions of the small limit. I would set the ante at 0.05 and the bring in at 0.10 at these stakes.
Even if that forced another denomination in play? Honest question, I usually just do 10c/10c.
 
My understanding is most home games and some casinos cap It at three raises. So this means the first raise would be $.50, the next person would raise to a dollar, and the last person would be able to raise to a buck 1.50

Then on six and seventh Street, we would double it, going one dollar, two dollar, and a final raise to three dollars?
This actually more closely describes 0.50/1.00 limit. Except it would be 5th, 6th, and 7th streets that would have the dollar increments.
 
Even if that forced another denomination in play? Honest question, I usually just do 10c/10c.
Yes, the bring in does not count as a full first bet so it needs to be a fraction of the lower limit.

0.25/0.50 limit can be played with all nickels :). Or alternatively provide players with roughly 10 nickels a piece just for antes and bring ins.
 
Yes, the bring in does not count as a full first bet so it needs to be a fraction of the lower limit.

0.25/0.50 limit can be played with all nickels :). Or alternatively provide players with roughly 10 nickels a piece just for antes and bring ins.
I admit Ive never done the bringins but would love to start, we just do circus games with non denom chips. Not sure my apes will understand bringins, Ill try it.
 
Yes, the bring in does not count as a full first bet so it needs to be a fraction of the lower limit.

0.25/0.50 limit can be played with all nickels :). Or alternatively provide players with roughly 10 nickels a piece just for antes and bring ins.
Sure but it sounds like he meant to play .50/1.00, which you could do with all quarters if you just took turns paying a table ante (much like big blind ante, right) of a quarter, then a bring in of a quarter, then 50 cent bets on early streets, a buck on later streets.
 
If you want to use quarters as the smallest denom, then the stakes "should" be .50/1. Could do a dealer ante (.25 per every two players, rounded up or down), and the bring in would be .25 with the small bet being .50 and big bet being 1.00.

First round of betting on third street would either be a bring-in of .25, then raises to .50, 1.00, 1.50 capped. OR the player bringing in could complete to .50 right off the bat, in which case, the raises would be to 1.00, 1.50, 2.00 capped (I believe).
 
do you usually run a .25/.50 NL or PL game? If so you’d want to probably do something like $1/$2 stud with .25 ante and .50 bring in

Small bet on 3rd and 4th
Big bet on 5th 6th and 7th

Used to be if your door card paired on 4th you could use big bet on 4th also but I think that got nixed a couple years back in some places
 
I play in a 15 / 30 limit hi/low stud game.

Ante is $2, the bring in is $5 or $15, raises are are in increments of 15 until 5th street, where it goes up to $30. The bring in is on the low card, this is where suits do matter, its not the first duce, its on the lowest ranking duce, the club if its in play.

Edit: if the low brings it in for $5, the first 'raise' completes the bet to $15, so betting would be 5 to 15 to 30 to 45

If the low brings in for 15, then it would be 15 30 45 60

I would make the ante .25, and .50 for the bring in, and play it 2/4 limit.
 
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Used to be if your door card paired on 4th you could use big bet on 4th also but I think that got nixed a couple years back in some places

It's still like that on PokerStars. If any door card pairs on 4th street, anyone in the hand can choose to bet the big bet that round.

I think TDA did away with the double bet rule on 4th street for tournament play at least.
 
Thank you guys. That cleared it up. It’s usually 25/$.50 no limit hold ‘em, but we have been introducing a few new games.
 
For right now we will be throwing it in as a mixed game occasionally. So I think what I will do is treat almost like our mom pot where everyone kicks in a $.25 Ante, a $.25 bring in and then do $.50/1
 
Yes, dealer ante helps keep the per-player ante amount reasonable without having to introduce a smaller denom chip. Dealer button rotates, so everyone has a turn paying the ante for the whole table when it's their turn to deal. Make the ante .25 per every two player at the table or have it be a range: 2-3 players is .25 from the dealer; 4-5 players is .50 from the dealer, 6-7 players is .75 from the dealer each hand.
 
I play in a 15 / 30 limit hi/low stud game.

Ante is $2, the bring in is $5 or $15, raises are are in increments of 15 until 5th street, where it goes up to $30. The bring in is on the low card, this is where suits do matter, its not the first duce, its on the lowest ranking duce, the club if its in play.

Edit: if the low brings it in for $5, the first 'raise' completes the bet to $15, so betting would be 5 to 15 to 30 to 45

If the low brings in for 15, then it would be 15 30 45 60

I would make the ante .25, and .50 for the bring in, and play it 2/4 limit.
Everybody antes, thats the only way I've ever seen any stud play.
 
We play dealer's choice, 1 orbit per game, so no one gets to skip out on a dealer ante when someone calls stud. Just easier than getting everyone to ante every hand for an orbit. Like BB antes in tournaments.

Maybe if it was a full evening of stud games, everyone anteing would be fine because no one would (should) forget, but with dealer's choice, dealer anteing speeds things along.

(And again, less need to have a smaller denom chip for the antes.)
 
We play dealer's choice, 1 orbit per game, so no one gets to skip out on a dealer ante when someone calls stud. Just easier than getting everyone to ante every hand for an orbit. Like BB antes in tournaments.

Maybe if it was a full evening of stud games, everyone anteing would be fine because no one would (should) forget, but with dealer's choice, dealer anteing speeds things along.

(And again, less need to have a smaller denom chip for the antes.)
So I am going to jack the thread here.

How do you handle table antes players that stand up? Do they ante while absent? There really are no solid rules on how to deal with this that I have found, hoping to get some insight on how this would work in practice.
 
So I am going to jack the thread here.

How do you handle table antes players that stand up? Do they ante while absent? There really are no solid rules on how to deal with this that I have found, hoping to get some insight on how this would work in practice.
We are a small home game, typically 6-8 players. We don't have a lot of players who are away from the table for any extended period of time. If we play a stud game, we do dealer's ante, and if it's the "standing" player's turn to deal, we ante/deal for them because chances are they'll be back in their seats by the time it's their action. We avoid player-antes because we don't want to introduce a smaller denom.

We play .25/.50, so just above micro-stakes. We may set an ante for the night based on the expected number of players (.50 for 4-5 players, .75 for 6-7 players) and keep it steady at that number even if we go up or down a player or two during the night. A 25¢ difference isn't that big of a deal.
 
We are a small home game, typically 6-8 players. We don't have a lot of players who are away from the table for any extended period of time. If we play a stud game, we do dealer's ante, and if it's the "standing" player's turn to deal, we ante/deal for them because chances are they'll be back in their seats by the time it's their action. We avoid player-antes because we don't want to introduce a smaller denom.

We play .25/.50, so just above micro-stakes. We may set an ante for the night based on the expected number of players (.50 for 4-5 players, .75 for 6-7 players) and keep it steady at that number even if we go up or down a player or two during the night. A 25¢ difference isn't that big of a deal.
I have a few smokers in my dealers' choice game and this topic has come up here before, so I always ask when a poster tells me they prefer table ante for stud :).
 
I have a few smokers in my dealers' choice game and this topic has come up here before, so I always ask when a poster tells me they prefer table ante for stud :).
Thinking about it more, mot too many players call stud in our dealer's choice game, and we do one orbit of a game so that dealer-ante is equitable, so to keep it simple the amount of the ante is set for the orbit. If 1-2 players leave the table for a hand or two, dealer ante remains the same, otherwise it's not fair for some players to pay more or less dealer's ante when it gets to be their turn. But again, we're taking about +/- 25¢ in an ante, so it doesn't make much difference even if it were variable based on current # of players at that hand. But having it fixed just makes it easier for people to keep track.
 
I forget if it was in Chip Reese's writing for Super System, or if it was in Sklansky/Malmuth's Seven Card Stud for Advanced Players, but one of those has a discussion of the ante, the bring-in, and the betting limits of the game, and what constitutes a low-ante game, a high-ante game, and something in the middle.

If the ante is .25, bring-in is .25, and first betting limit is .25, I'm pretty sure that is a HIGH ante game, and that you're justified playing all sorts of trash for just the bring-in if it never or rarely gets raised. My low-stakes game is 5c ante, 10c bring-in, and 25c/50c betting limits, and if I remember right, that's a pretty mid-ante game.
 
Edit: if the low brings it in for $5, the first 'raise' completes the bet to $15, so betting would be 5 to 15 to 30 to 45

If the low brings in for 15, then it would be 15 30 45 60
Completing the bet (in this case from $5 to $15) does not count as a raise, so regardless if the low card brings it in for $5 or $15, the betting for the round would be capped at $60.
 
Completing the bet (in this case from $5 to $15) does not count as a raise, so regardless if the low card brings it in for $5 or $15, the betting for the round would be capped at $60.
It does count as a raise, at least in the games that I play, local underground and the casino, and I would venture it is that way in the casinos as well. The guy that runs this game typically plays anything from 15/30 to 100/200.
 
Completing the bet (in this case from $5 to $15) does not count as a raise, so regardless if the low card brings it in for $5 or $15, the betting for the round would be capped at $60.
I find it fascinating, that today we can have such variants on the game. I dislike a he said, she said argument, and I much prefer cited evidence.

I also prefer Cooke's Rules to Roberts, so here is a blurb from that source:

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I find it fascinating, that today we can have such variants on the game. I dislike a he said, she said argument, and I much prefer cited evidence.



Agreed. I just got home and was ready to cite some resources. I was also going to concede that perhaps it's a regional variant, but I think not counting as a raise is the more common version. As long as everyone knows and agrees on the rules beforehand, play away!

As an aside, I haven't been able to figure out the reason for the bring-in in the first place vs. just forcing the low card to put in a full bet, at least in a tournament setting. Most of my players are casual players with little experience who struggled with the bring-in vs full bet idea at the tables I wasn't playing at, so for my tournaments I got rid of the bring-in and just force a full bet and haven't noticed any ill effects.
 

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