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I have my first FL game scheduled in two weeks. Myself and four other players are committed. I'm working on recruiting two more. Some of my regulars are just not interested in FL games. If this goes off well, and I enjoy it I plan on hosting a few of these games a year.

Stakes: 3/6
Blinds: 1/3
Antes if needed: 2 dollars posted by the dealer
Bring in if needed: 1 dollar

I have printed off 60'ish cards from @abby99 resource page. I'm going to work on getting them into some sleeves for easier browsing.

The game plan is to have this dealers choice by orbit. Since this could be a mix of STUD, Draw, Flop, ect... games is it recommended to do dealers choice per orbit or per orbit +1 (or doesn't it matter).

If players buy in for 100. I'll be using the chipco's I picked up from @Psypher1000

Starting stacks

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Anything that I'm missing? Any suggestions?

Four of the five players are PCF'ers, me, @ChaosRock , @mike32 , and @Sprouty .

I think a couple of those guys have some limit experience. I do not. I have never hosted a FL game, or even played in a dedicated FL game.
 
For self dealt games we do orbit+1 (deal your own game twice) and it changes with the next deal. The only bummer here is that the dealer gets stuck posting antes twice. But it's their game so they should know this.

If this is the first fixed limit game you are hosting or if this is the first fixed limit experience for some/most of the players involved I would suggest limiting (nyuk nyuk nyuk) the number of games allowed to be called so there is nothing TOO crazy involved.

Also, if I was playing in this game I would prefer to buy in for $150 but that's just me.
 
links_slayer said:
For self dealt games we do orbit+1 (deal your own game twice) and it changes with the next deal. The only bummer here is that the dealer gets stuck posting antes twice. But it's their game so they should know this.

If this is the first fixed limit game you are hosting or if this is the first fixed limit experience for some/most of the players involved I would suggest limiting (nyuk nyuk nyuk) the number of games allowed to be called so there is nothing TOO crazy involved.

Also, if I was playing in this game I would prefer to buy in for $150 but that's just me.
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Thanks. I'm going to tell them they can buy in for whatever they like since its Fix Limit stakes. I know @ChaosRock and @mike32 have some experience in the FL setting. Not sure how much though.

Good suggestion about the game choices. I will probably remove some of the ones that I perceive to be a touch insane lol. I am excited for a chance to get to play 2-7 triple draw, Badugi, Dramaha, ect...
 
Congrats on hosting your first FL game. FL will exercise different poker muscles, for sure.

The consensus seems to be to play full orbits. (1) If your players are positionally aware, nobody would call a stud game (see @links_slayer's post above), and (2) it's easy to change the game whenever the deal reaches the same player.

There is no need to cap the buy-in in a limit game because the bets themselves are limited. You might consider a minimum of $30 (five big bets) or so. In casinos it's common to buy in for around 25 big bets, or $150 for a 3/6 game. (I would buy in for $300-400.)

I'm not aware of a set formula for dealer antes, but we usually make the ante equal to one small bet ($3 in a 3/6 game).
 
abby99 said:
The consensus seems to be to play full orbits
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That is how we normally do it. I'll probably stick with this.

The cards are great. Especially once I figured out how to tweak the printer settings and print 6 cards to a sheet. This alone will help tremendously.

Thanks,

B
 
To echo @abby99 , I never buy into a limit game for less than 25 big bets, and prefer to do so for 50 big bets (so $300 for a 3/6 game). I hate reloading.

Also prefer single orbit rotation (not orbit+1) for mixed games, especially if Omaha variants are being played or if using dealer-posted antes (in fact, if doing both, one would be foolish to ever call a stud variation game at all, as I'm sure it could be mathematically proven to be a negative EV decision).

And yeah, for the first Limit game outing, I'd restrict it to 7-8 games tops. The brain can only handle so much new stuff in one sitting.
 
detroitdad said:
I have my first FL game scheduled in two weeks. Myself and four other players are committed. I'm working on recruiting two more. Some of my regulars are just not interested in FL games. If this goes off well, and I enjoy it I plan on hosting a few of these games a year.
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I have never hosted a FL game, or even played in a dedicated FL game.
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Oh, cool. Where in Florida? I'm in!
 
I agree with @BGinGA regarding limiting the number of games out of the gate. Many gave me this same advice and I'm glad I listened.

I also used @abby99 cards and had 12-15 games ready to go, a mix of community and stud variations. However, I listened to the forum and made the decision to keep it simple at first and go with 1 two-card game (Hold'em), 1 three card game (Lazy Pineapple), and 1 four-card game (Omaha High). That was it, 3 games mixed in throughout the night, all $2/$4 fixed limit, and each building on the next. This was tough enough believe it or not, but now I've laid the foundation to slowly introduce other variants over time.

Below is the list of community games I'm working towards, still staying away from split pot games, low games, and stud variants for the most part. These are mostly flavors of Hold'em.

Hold'em (2)
Double-Board Hold'em (2, split)
Chowaha (2)
Pineapple (3)
Crazy Pineapple (3)
Lazy Pineapple (Tahoe) (3)
Super Hold'em (3)
Hollywood (3)
Omaha High (4)
Omaha High/High (4, split)
Criss Cross (4, forced bet)
Cincinnati (4)
5-Card Omaha (Big O) (5)
Courchevel (5)
 
churlbut18 said:
I agree with @BGinGA regarding limiting the number of games out of the gate. Many gave me this same advice and I'm glad I listened.

I also used @abby99 cards and had 12-15 games ready to go, a mix of community and stud variations. However, I listened to the forum and made the decision to keep it simple at first and go with 1 two-card game (Hold'em), 1 three card game (Lazy Pineapple), and 1 four-card game (Omaha High). That was it, 3 games mixed in throughout the night, all $2/$4 fixed limit, and each building on the next. This was tough enough believe it or not, but now I've laid the foundation to slowly introduce other variants over time.

Below is the list of community games I'm working towards, still staying away from split pot games, low games, and stud variants for the most part. These are mostly flavors of Hold'em.

Hold'em (2)
Double-Board Hold'em (2, split)
Chowaha (2)
Pineapple (3)
Crazy Pineapple (3)
Lazy Pineapple (Tahoe) (3)
Super Hold'em (3)
Hollywood (3)
Omaha High (4)
Omaha High/High (4, split)
Criss Cross (4, forced bet)
Cincinnati (4)
5-Card Omaha (Big O) (5)
Courchevel (5)
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The group that is playing next SAT. is adverse to the different games. We've just never played a dedicated FL game. We do play a lot of poker.
Hold'em won't be an option :) That'll be on the board as an exception that can't be called lol.

2-7 Triple draw, Dramaha, Badugi, Stampler, Stud games, ect....
 
Not sure if you know this, but on the last round of betting, if it is heads up, there is no cap on the number of bets normally. This isn't an issue usually, but it does come into play occasionally.

Best time for me was when I flopped quads vs a top full house in O8 and no low came in. I think we got 10 raises in before she realized she better stop in case I did have quads. :D
 
For our first game I'm keeping it capped at 1 bet and three raises
 
I would definitely stick with Bet, Raise, Reraise, Cap. Did you decide the suite of games yet? I think that is the most important piece. High/Low games will depend on the players, same with adding a double board. Stampler is just evil. We started doing the following suite @Mr. Cheese home game, which provides a good mix:
  • HE variants (pineapples, Super HoldEm)
  • Omaha High
  • BigO High
  • Draw2maha
  • Scrotum
  • SOHE
  • ImPLOcean
That group isn't into hi/low split games (yet), but O8 and BigO8 aren't far away. I think Badugi and 2-7 variants have just too much of an advantage for experienced players, but those will come with time.
 
inca911 said:
I would definitely stick with Bet, Raise, Reraise, Cap. Did you decide the suite of games yet? I think that is the most important piece. High/Low games will depend on the players, same with adding a double board. Stampler is just evil. We started doing the following suite @Mr. Cheese home game, which provides a good mix:
  • HE variants (pineapples, Super HoldEm)
  • Omaha High
  • BigO High
  • Draw2maha
  • Scrotum
  • SOHE
  • ImPLOcean
That group isn't into hi/low split games (yet), but O8 and BigO8 aren't far away. I think Badugi and 2-7 variants have just too much of an advantage for experienced players, but those will come with time.
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My group plays split pot games a lot. We usually play a HOPES format.

None of are experts at draw games. ...well maybe @ChaosRock is :)
 
detroitdad said:
My group plays split pot games a lot. We usually play a HOPES format.

None of are experts at draw games. ...well maybe @ChaosRock is :)
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Not an expert at all Bill... I played a bunch of lowball draw games but not nearly enough to make me even 'decent' at those games... I love them though...

I still need to acquire a taste for the Stud games though... They are the games I played the least for sure... Never played Stud8 but it looks like a fun game...
 
links_slayer said:
imo one of the more fun aspects of fixed limit games is the un-capped betting when a street begins heads up. ymmv of course.
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Your probably right. Maybe I'll talk to the table about it before the cards fly. I just thought it might be best since most of us have little to no experience with these games/style of poker.

ChaosRock said:
Not an expert at all Bill... I played a bunch of lowball draw games but not nearly enough to make me even 'decent' at those games... I love them though...

I still need to acquire a taste for the Stud games though... They are the games I played the least for sure... Never played Stud8 but it looks like a fun game...
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You recently hosted a FL game. How did you handle the betting heads up? Did you uncap it?
 
detroitdad said:
You recently hosted a FL game. How did you handle the betting heads up? Did you uncap it?
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Heads-up number of raises was uncapped. However, we did not have a single instance of multiple raises until all-in all night.
 
ChaosRock said:
Heads-up number of raises was uncapped. However, we did not have a single instance of multiple raises until all-in all night.
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It rarely does happen where it is raised back and forth until someone is all in. Unless someone was short stacked at the beginning of the hand.

Most of the time the person without the absolute nuts realizes they may be beat and decides to call.

Or in the case of a same hand, i.e. They both have Broadway straight it becomes apparent and someone just says call and chip up the pot.
 
gave them a second cleaning earlier in the week.

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Then decided to get six, three hundred dollar starting stacks ready :) (mine is already on the table). I don't think everyone is going to come in for 300. Want to be ready just in case :)

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This is almost a mini PCF meet up. Four of the six players are PCF'ers. @ChaosRock , @mike32 and @Sprouty .
 

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