Dice Lammers and Lammers (2 Viewers)

[spellholly]

Hi all!

I am curious about Dice Lammers and Lammers.

I understand some of the classic ones such as "ON/OFF," "BIG BLIND," "DEALER" But what is with all of the others??

I notice craps tables tend to have a rack by the boxman and have never been able to see exactly what they say on them/ have never seen them used in a basic game with pass/ come/ place bets.

I also know there are a TON of other ones for poker such as "kill" which I guess is used to indicate somone who has won/ won multiple hands- but I don't understand don't kill (I don't want to get hung up on this one because I feel like I can figure it out with enough research) It's all the other random ones.

And in baccarat- I think they sometimes use them in place of checks for non standard numbers to indicate commission- is this correct?

craps is the main one I am curious about because I just don't understand what needs to be marked other than ON/OFF but then again- I don't really do proposition bets

~Koda

 

[JustDave]

Craps is easy.

ON/OFF for the big puck is just the point. The dealers will move the button/puck depending on if a point is set or not in the roll. When the dice get passed to a new thrower the point isn't set and the puck will be 'OFF' and normally in the 'Don't Come' Box, or somewhere else innocuous on the table. Assuming someone sets a point, the puck will be flipped to 'On' and put into the box for that number. So if the person on a come out roll rolls a 6 they will move the puck to the 6 and flip it over to 'On'.

On the smaller tokens the most common you would see is a little black one that just says 'OFF'. What that means is that the bet is on the table but it isn't currently being bet. You sometimes see this if a player has a bet out on the table but wants to turn it off for the next roll without actually going through the hassle of picking it up on the chance that they might want to make the same bet again. A example here may help.

Let's say a point is set and someone makes a bet on various numbers like '44 inside' which is a bet of 44$ on the 4 inside numbers, 5/6/8/9. The roll goes on for a bit and then the guy rolling throws the dice off the table. The player is kinda superstitious and he thinks the guy is gonna roll a 7 on the next throw after throwing off the table and so he looks at the dealer and says 'turn my bets off'. Instead of the dealer picking up the 44$ what he does is he puts an 'off' chit on top of one/each of the bets for that player. The thrower rolls, rolls a 5, the bet doesn't pay because it was 'off' and then the guy says 'turn my bets back on', the chit goes away and we are back to normal.

 

[JustDave]

The other thing you see are colored chits with a number on them, so like 2x2 chits, 3x3 chits, 4x4 chits and so on up to 3x11 chits and 2x12 chits. These are bets where you, before someone starts rolling at all, bet on that person rolling that many of that number before rolling a 7. So you'd bet on 4x4s and every time the person rolled a 4 they'd put a little chit on the 4 in a circle on the felt. These seem like a pain in the ass for dealers to keep track of and some casinos have them, some don't. They are also terrible from a 'house edge' perspective.

The other, and I see these more often, is low/high/all or some variant of that. In this a player is trying to roll every number below a 7 before rolling a 7, above a 7 before rolling a 7, or all of the numbers before rolling a 7. In this case there is just a chit on each of the numbers, roll a 3, they put a chit on it, roll another 3, nothing happens, and so on. These are easier to track and while the house edge is still really rough, on a hot table they can be fun to play just for enjoyment.

I hit the all once on a crowded as hell table while playing alone at a convention without noticing it(or hitting the point which was annoying), and the table went berserk. After I finally rolled a 7 I actually got tipped by the other end of the table, they basically threw the chips down the table at me. Dice did a full orbit and when they got back to me everyone put money on those bets again and I hit the low and then the high except for a 9. Rolled for a while too and actually caused such a commotion that we had casino staff over at the table as it was getting a bit wild. I missed the all again but people still collected a lot from that roll. I wanted to call it a night and get some food but the guys down the table were yelling 'hey, where are you going next, we want to follow you around' and being so disruptive the pit boss asked me if I wanted to be walked to the cage and then got me out a side exit with a comp to the noodle bar for dinner.

 

[tabletalker7]

Your "Player"and "Bank" buttons up there are pai gow. A person at the table can play as bank and has to pay off anyone who beats them.

 

[spellholly]

Craps is easy.

ON/OFF for the big puck is just the point. The dealers will move the button/puck depending on if a point is set or not in the roll. When the dice get passed to a new thrower the point isn't set and the puck will be 'OFF' and normally in the 'Don't Come' Box, or somewhere else innocuous on the table. Assuming someone sets a point, the puck will be flipped to 'On' and put into the box for that number. So if the person on a come out roll rolls a 6 they will move the puck to the 6 and flip it over to 'On'.

On the smaller tokens the most common you would see is a little black one that just says 'OFF'. What that means is that the bet is on the table but it isn't currently being bet. You sometimes see this if a player has a bet out on the table but wants to turn it off for the next roll without actually going through the hassle of picking it up on the chance that they might want to make the same bet again. A example here may help.

Let's say a point is set and someone makes a bet on various numbers like '44 inside' which is a bet of 44$ on the 4 inside numbers, 5/6/8/9. The roll goes on for a bit and then the guy rolling throws the dice off the table. The player is kinda superstitious and he thinks the guy is gonna roll a 7 on the next throw after throwing off the table and so he looks at the dealer and says 'turn my bets off'. Instead of the dealer picking up the 44$ what he does is he puts an 'off' chit on top of one/each of the bets for that player. The thrower rolls, rolls a 5, the bet doesn't pay because it was 'off' and then the guy says 'turn my bets back on', the chit goes away and we are back to normal.

So I will start here because I have to read through the other one maybe 5 more times hahaha- The ON/OFF I know oh to well! hahaha- that is our friend (well I hope) haha!

So the OFF I think I see what you are saying- so they also say "OFF" but they have nothing to do with a point, they just indicate a bet is no longer active at the time they are on the table. Just to be clear an "inside bet" is a place bet not including the 4 and 10 right? (so do they put little off chips on each "bet" on the 5.6.8.9?

 

[Silverpie]

Some of those numbers are for roulette, where a particular color's value is only set when someone buys in for it. The lammer goes in a display to show the value of a stack of 20.

The “buy” is also for craps, marking a place-like bet where instead of taking short odds, you get true odds less a 5% commission. Usually only made on the 4 and 10. Its opposite side will be marked “lay”—that's a similar bet that a number will lose.

 

[natumes]

Craps uses Buy/Lay as well. A buy bet pays true odds minus a commission (usually 5%), so on 4 and 10 a buy bet is actually better than a place bet (if the casino takes the commission when you win and not upfront). Lay is for dark side/don't players. Instead of placing a bet on a number, they are laying a bet instead, meaning their bet wins if the 7 comes before it's rolled. There can also be lammers for different bonus bets, like the All/Tall/Small, fire, etc

 

[JustDave]

So I will start here because I have to read through the other one maybe 5 more times hahaha- The ON/OFF I know oh to well! hahaha- that is our friend (well I hope) haha!

So the OFF I think I see what you are saying- so they also say "OFF" but they have nothing to do with a point, they just indicate a bet is no longer active at the time they are on the table. Just to be clear an "inside bet" is a place bet not including the 4 and 10 right? (so do they put little off chips on each "bet" on the 5.6.8.9?

Yes. Depending on the casino and the crew dealing they may put an OFF on each bet for that person or just one of the 4 but they know it is for all 4.

 

[spellholly]

The other thing you see are colored chits with a number on them, so like 2x2 chits, 3x3 chits, 4x4 chits and so on up to 3x11 chits and 2x12 chits. These are bets where you, before someone starts rolling at all, bet on that person rolling that many of that number before rolling a 7. So you'd bet on 4x4s and every time the person rolled a 4 they'd put a little chit on the 4 in a circle on the felt. These seem like a pain in the ass for dealers to keep track of and some casinos have them, some don't. They are also terrible from a 'house edge' perspective.

The other, and I see these more often, is low/high/all or some variant of that. In this a player is trying to roll every number below a 7 before rolling a 7, above a 7 before rolling a 7, or all of the numbers before rolling a 7. In this case there is just a chit on each of the numbers, roll a 3, they put a chit on it, roll another 3, nothing happens, and so on. These are easier to track and while the house edge is still really rough, on a hot table they can be fun to play just for enjoyment.

I hit the all once on a crowded as hell table while playing alone at a convention without noticing it(or hitting the point which was annoying), and the table went berserk. After I finally rolled a 7 I actually got tipped by the other end of the table, they basically threw the chips down the table at me. Dice did a full orbit and when they got back to me everyone put money on those bets again and I hit the low and then the high except for a 9. Rolled for a while too and actually caused such a commotion that we had casino staff over at the table as it was getting a bit wild. I missed the all again but people still collected a lot from that roll. I wanted to call it a night and get some food but the guys down the table were yelling 'hey, where are you going next, we want to follow you around' and being so disruptive the pit boss asked me if I wanted to be walked to the cage and then got me out a side exit with a comp to the noodle bar for dinner.

I am confused by the first paragraph. I am not sure what the (thing)X(thing) means.

So like I understand basic proposition bets like "hard ways" (I think, like you have to roll that number the hard way before either a 7 or the easy of that number)

But I am not sure the "X" bets.

Do you know what I can look that up- or where I can see the chips look like... I am a little lost haha

Thanks for all the info!

 

[spellholly]

So I read through everything- It looks great- can I theoretically order just one chip if I get in on time? (just trying to understand the mechanics) or do you need to make an order that adds up to 100% (I know shipping is not included)

 

[JustDave]

I am confused by the first paragraph. I am not sure what the (thing)X(thing) means.

So like I understand basic proposition bets like "hard ways" (I think, like you have to roll that number the hard way before either a 7 or the easy of that number)

But I am not sure the "X" bets.

Do you know what I can look that up- or where I can see the chips look like... I am a little lost haha

Thanks for all the info!

2x2 means you have to roll a 2 twice
3x3 means you have to roll a 3 three times
...
6x6 means you have to roll a 6 six times

then it reverses it as it moves away from 7
11x3 means you have to roll an 11 three times
12x2 means you have to roll a 12 twice

The pay off for these I think varies per casino, but it's never good.

The Small/Tall/All bets, or the fire bet, I think is like 30-1 and 150-1 respectively, but it's still bad from a house edge perspective.

These are all sucker bets. All of the bets in the center/center-top of a craps table are. I believe an apt quote was 'you'd be better off handing your money to the dealer and asking them to burn it in front of you'.