CPC vs Sun-Fly (1 Viewer)

[GMoney89]

I am about ready to pull the trigger on my first custom set. I am leaning toward CPC, but I feel like I am going this way because of the design tool alone. As many of you can empathize, I have spent HOURS tinkering with colors and edge spots. But, before I drop $3K+ on a set of chips, I want to know if there is any "usable" design tool for Matsui or Sun-Fly (or any other comparable ceramic). Thanks.

 

[JeepologyOffroad]

No, but if you want clay style edge spots you can do that on ceramics too. You can pretty much do anything you can imagine on ceramics.

Have you handled any cpc or sunfly chips yet?

 

[davislane]

Matsui has a design tool, Sunfly does not. Ceramic designs are only limited by your imagination.

All 3 chips are very different and shouldn't IMO be selected on design alone. Weight, feel and sound are also equally important factors when deciding what chips to go with. The old saying applies here "get samples".

 

[bsdunbar1]

CPC>>>Sunfly IMHO

 

[JustinInMN]

I love my sun flys, but I paid a designer to make up my artwork.

I have handled CPC and I like them too, but obviously a lot more money.

 

[allforcharity]

CPCs and Sun-Fly ceramic hybrids are two entirely different types of animals. It does behoove you to get samples before you drop $3K+ on *anything*. They each offer their own possibilities and have their own limitations. Educate yourself about both.

 

[Venturalvn]

I own both, and I will play with both until the end of time. They both have their pros, and they both have their cons - yes for $3+ a chip CPC has multiple cons.

Whether the money is worth it to you is relative.

There is no sunfly design tool because they offer simply blank ceramic chips. There are multiple people who have designed Bud Jones style chips using Sun Fly, so the community can likely help to an extent. Plus, you can take inspiration from any custom ceramics you've ever seen because it's a blank canvas.

 

[GMoney89]

Thank you. I like your ChipCo Beach set. I have some Archtype chips from Sidepot that I really like. Are your Beach chips similar in feel?

 

[Freeroll]

I own both, and I will play with both until the end of time. They both have their pros, and they both have their cons - yes for $3+ a chip CPC has multiple cons.

Whether the money is worth it to you is relative.

There is no sunfly design tool because they offer simply blank ceramic chips. There are multiple people who have designed Bud Jones style chips using Sun Fly, so the community can likely help to an extent. Plus, you can take inspiration from any custom ceramics you've ever seen because it's a blank canvas.

Curious on the multiple cons you speak of with CPC chips. I’ve decided to buy a custom set of CPC chips, and just want all the details before I pull the trigger.

 

[Venturalvn]

Thank you. I like your ChipCo Beach set. I have some Archtype chips from Sidepot that I really like. Are your Beach chips similar in feel?

The Beach ChipCos specifically yes, because the Archetypes are printed on the ChipCo blank. They are now a defunct blink, but were offered by BR Poker Pro until last year.

BR Poker Pro is the go to for plain ceramic blanks - the BR ceramic blanks shuffle like butter (in a good way, not a slippery way). If you are interested in hybrids then go directly to Sun-Fly and do not pass go.

With all of that said, get samples. I just mentioned 4 different chips (including CPC) all with their own unique assets.

 

[Venturalvn]

Curious on the multiple cons you speak of with CPC chips. I’ve decided to buy a custom set of CPC chips, and just want all the details before I pull the trigger.

The main cons are all due to clay chips being a handmade process. They are often referred to as "artifacts of the handmade process", but they all have been talked down about in different vendors (BCC), were non-existent at certain points in ASM/CPC history, or are not existent at any point in Paulson's product lines.

Speaking bad of CPC is bad will around here, but for full transparency what I specific was referring to as cons of the homemade process are:
1) The speed bump. #1 deal breaker for me on a chip that expensive. While it's said it will wear off eventually, I don't run a casino and with as hard as CPC clay is it will never wear off in my lifetime. This also never used to exist, but does now in many cases. This comes down to a finishing touch not being put on because it's expensive to replace equipment. For more info just research "speed bump" on CPC and you'll see references.
2) Inconsistent stack heights. Always been an issue with ASM/CPC to some degree. It is what it is. It's said certain molds and color combos are to blame for the inconsistency, but even within the same color and mold batches you'll see stack heights differ, or sometimes see entire sets on "problem molds" be perfectly aligjed.This is an on and off issue.
3) Inconsistent diameters. Not as much of a problem but likely related to #1.
4) Color batches may differ over time. Only matters for add ons after initial product. This is truly an artifact of the handmade process that can not be helped.

If you want perfectly uniform chips every time, go with ceramic. If the above is worth the money and you can ignore the defects, then CPC is your only option.

I own the Beach original set from back when they were the original ASM in 2008. I love them dearly and they are a true trophy set that I will never part with until the day I'm dead and dusted. But, the add ons I've received show defects that are now referred to as artifacts of the process, even if they weren't in the past. Your mileage may vary.

 

[Freeroll]

The main cons are all due to clay chips being a handmade process. They are often referred to as "artifacts of the handmade process", but they all have been talked down about in different vendors (BCC), were non-existent at certain points in ASM/CPC history, or are not existent at any point in Paulson's product lines.

Speaking bad of CPC is bad will around here, but for full transparency what I specific was referring to as cons of the homemade process are:
1) The speed bump. #1 deal breaker for me on a chip that expensive. While it's said it will wear off eventually, I don't run a casino and with as hard as CPC clay is it will never wear off in my lifetime. This also never used to exist, but does now in many cases. This comes down to a finishing touch not being put on because it's expensive to replace equipment. For more info just research "speed bump" on CPC and you'll see references.
2) Inconsistent stack heights. Always been an issue with ASM/CPC to some degree. It is what it is. It's said certain molds and color combos are to blame for the inconsistency, but even within the same color and mold batches you'll see stack heights differ, or sometimes see entire sets on "problem molds" be perfectly aligjed.This is an on and off issue.
3) Inconsistent diameters. Not as much of a problem but likely related to #1.
4) Color batches may differ over time. Only matters for add ons after initial product. This is truly an artifact of the handmade process that can not be helped.

If you want perfectly uniform chips every time, go with ceramic. If the above is worth the money and you can ignore the defects, then CPC is your only option.

I own the Beach original set from back when they were the original ASM in 2008. I love them dearly and they are a true trophy set that I will never part with until the day I'm dead and dusted. But, the add ons I've received show defects that are now referred to as artifacts of the process, even if they weren't in the past. Your mileage may vary.

Thanks for the reply and the info.

 

[GMoney89]

No, but if you want clay style edge spots you can do that on ceramics too. You can pretty much do anything you can imagine on ceramics.

Have you handled any cpc or sunfly chips yet?

I have CPC Samples, with Matsui + SunFly samples on the way. My favorite ceramic chip, so far, is the Archetype from Sidepot. Those are ChipCo, but not sure how to get customs from them.

 

[upNdown]

I have CPC Samples, with Matsui + SunFly samples on the way. My favorite ceramic chip, so far, is the Archetype from Sidepot. Those are ChipCo, but not sure how to get customs from them.

Chipco doesn't make chips any more, and I'm pretty sure sidepot is long gone? FWIW, there have been some archetype knockoffs which don't live up to the originals, so anybody looking at Archtypes should be careful.
And yeah, good for getting the samples. Choosing poker chips based on the available design tools seems insane to me. Choose based on the material you like.
And if you've researched the Sunfly hybrids much, you'll know that many of us think there's a huge difference between the 39mms and the 43mms with small inlays (the latter being preferred by more of us) so hopefully you have some of each coming to you.