Controversial Chip & Poker Opinions (108 Viewers)

[BarrieJ3]

If a player is struggling tell them to announce their bets before grabbing the chips. We had one player last night that would count out chips in $10 stack increments. Obviously that slows down the game when were using mostly $5’s and he’s trying to bet $100 LOL

Also when someone gets felted, use that opportunity to get higher denominations in play. However…rather than have him give his chips to the player that won the pot, have him re-buy and keep those chips in front of them, then give the winner some higher denomination chips. A simple tip, most know but forget to implement.

No doubt. And again, your history and expertise on hosting can smooth those things over.

But you’re literally describing work arounds to an issue caused by using a poor breakdown of chips not optimized for the game being played.

NOT saying you’re wrong, not saying what you’re doing isn’t the most fun setup.

Simply pointing it out because in general, people are dumb. And circle jerkey. They see it and hear you and think “oh that’s the way to run a game!”.

For the average lay person, which imo is still prob 95%+ of hosts here, it’s a larger detriment than positive.

 

[BarrieJ3]

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#bringbackhpf #whoownshttps://pcfauctions.com/

 

[doublebooyah85]

No doubt. And again, your history and expertise on hosting can smooth those things over.

But you’re literally describing work arounds to an issue caused by using a poor breakdown of chips not optimized for the game being played.

NOT saying you’re wrong, not saying what you’re doing isn’t the most fun setup.

Simply pointing it out because in general, people are dumb. And circle jerkey. They see it and hear you and think “oh that’s the way to run a game!”.

For the average lay person, which imo is still prob 95%+ of hosts here, it’s a larger detriment than positive.

The average person also isn’t on PCF using leaded Paulsons from historic Las Vegas casinos.

The average person isn’t even using Tina’s!

Moar is fun!

 

[Jacks]

Trying to collect every single WSOP chip is silly. Go start collecting numismatic silver or stamps, it’s no different.

I have some WSOP singles outside of my playable set but I don’t understand the appeal of trying to have like the secondary dealer ladies event chip from 2009.

(Only @Zmasterben is excused from this critique).

 

[suchj0sh]

I always think I’m prob just super dumb because I have such little experience of exposure to poker.

In what world is it necessary or does it make sense for a single table of players to all have a rack of $5s, 1-2 barrels of $1s, and 1-2 players a handful of $25s.

Not a shot at Booyah, and yes I totally get it and love it MOAR chips no doubt.

But from a functional perspective, what game, other than some strange spread limit I don’t understand, does this make sense for?

I’m sorry, for $2/$5? Ummmm how? $5s are barely a workhorse for $1/$1 games. Yeah okay sure there’ll be some opens for $15, and yeah you need some $5s and $1s for your $69, $123, and $420 bet sizes.

I know Craig puts far too much effort into his hosting and I’m sure it works smoothly, I just don’t see it. Seems like just an over inflation of chips/pots that we keep having to push in, restack, etc. Feels the same to me like when it’s time to take quarters off the table midway through a .25/.50 game. I’m guessing all rebuys are done in $25s/$100s and usually 1-2 dudes end up with a giantly massive pile of the $5s by nights end.

Or, more likely, I’m an idiot that doesn’t understand.

In a casino 2-5 1k max game what are they giving players when they buy in for the max? A rack of 5’s and a barrel of $25’s? That’s kind of what I’m getting at.

 

[doublebooyah85]

In a casino 2-5 1k max game what are they giving players when they buy in for the max? A rack of 5’s and a barrel of $25’s? That’s kind of what I’m getting at.

Counterpoint…maybe mostly bc of rake

PCFer. It’s more enjoyable, and here lies another nostalgic moment. We’re use to it from the casinos and enjoy replicating those moments.

 

[extreme517]

I always think I’m prob just super dumb because I have such little experience of exposure to poker.

In what world is it necessary or does it make sense for a single table of players to all have a rack of $5s, 1-2 barrels of $1s, and 1-2 players a handful of $25s.

Not a shot at Booyah, and yes I totally get it and love it MOAR chips no doubt.

But from a functional perspective, what game, other than some strange spread limit I don’t understand, does this make sense for?

I’m sorry, for $2/$5? Ummmm how? $5s are barely a workhorse for $1/$1 games. Yeah okay sure there’ll be some opens for $15, and yeah you need some $5s and $1s for your $69, $123, and $420 bet sizes.

I know Craig puts far too much effort into his hosting and I’m sure it works smoothly, I just don’t see it. Seems like just an over inflation of chips/pots that we keep having to push in, restack, etc. Feels the same to me like when it’s time to take quarters off the table midway through a .25/.50 game. I’m guessing all rebuys are done in $25s/$100s and usually 1-2 dudes end up with a giantly massive pile of the $5s by nights end.

Or, more likely, I’m an idiot that doesn’t understand.

To me, there are 3 factors why this is better/preferred:
1) Feels more like a real game to anyone that has played much in a casino/cardroom.
2) More chips leads to better action...it is easier for people to put chips in the pot when they have piles in front of them.
3) Scooping and stacking large pots of chips is fun and part of the game!

 

[Zmasterben]

Trying to collect every single WSOP chip is silly. Go start collecting numismatic silver or stamps, it’s no different.

I have some WSOP singles outside of my playable set but I don’t understand the appeal of trying to have like the secondary dealer ladies event chip from 2009.

(Only @Zmasterben is excused from this critique).

The 2009 Ladies event used the primary chip set you own.

You've fallen into your own trap, idiot!

 

[TripleRangeMerger]

Having more than 4 racks of the workhorse chip for any cash set is overkill.

@Emitsu take notes

 

[Emitsu]

It also infringes on getting another denomination in play

Not if your group likes huge stacks on the table!

 

[Highli99]

I always think I’m prob just super dumb because I have such little experience of exposure to poker.

In what world is it necessary or does it make sense for a single table of players to all have a rack of $5s, 1-2 barrels of $1s, and 1-2 players a handful of $25s.

Not a shot at Booyah, and yes I totally get it and love it MOAR chips no doubt.

But from a functional perspective, what game, other than some strange spread limit I don’t understand, does this make sense for?

I’m sorry, for $2/$5? Ummmm how? $5s are barely a workhorse for $1/$1 games. Yeah okay sure there’ll be some opens for $15, and yeah you need some $5s and $1s for your $69, $123, and $420 bet sizes.

I know Craig puts far too much effort into his hosting and I’m sure it works smoothly, I just don’t see it. Seems like just an over inflation of chips/pots that we keep having to push in, restack, etc. Feels the same to me like when it’s time to take quarters off the table midway through a .25/.50 game. I’m guessing all rebuys are done in $25s/$100s and usually 1-2 dudes end up with a giantly massive pile of the $5s by nights end.

Or, more likely, I’m an idiot that doesn’t understand.

Games are known to be splashier when there is a surplus of lower denominations on the table. It’s phycological, but you’ll find players are more likely to call 25 with five red birds as opposed to throwing in a green chip. Having piles of work horse chips keeps the action going. People tend to treat the big chips as bank they don’t want to spend.

 

[JustinInMN]

Games are known to be splashier when there is a surplus of lower denominations on the table. It’s phycological, but you’ll find players are more likely to call 25 with five red birds as opposed to throwing in a green chip. Having piles of work horse chips keeps the action going. People tend to treat the big chips as bank they don’t want to spend.

I think 3-5 barrels per player for the workhorse chip is the sweet spot to me. I usually don't even offer a color up unless someone has 7-8 barrels.

If you know what you are doing (as in able to stack in 20), counting stacks is better with fewer denominations, not fewer chips. Counting 2-3 denominations is always easier than 4-5, even if it's large quantities of one of the three denominations.

 

[toothpic]

I think 3-5 barrels per player for the workhorse chip is the sweet spot to me. I usually don't even offer a color up unless someone has 7-8 barrels.

If you know what you are doing (as in able to stack in 20), counting stacks is better with fewer denominations, not fewer chips. Counting 2-3 denominations is always easier than 4-5, even if it's large quantities of one of the three denominations.

Putting 3-4 racks of 5s in play, when I run out of 5s the rebuys are with 25s and I'll exchange the 25s with some of the largest stacks of 5s. Helps keep the big chip stacks managable. My crew likes to fight for the 25s as a badge of honor.

If you have 4-5 denominations in play, generally you're eyeballing the top 2-3 largest chip denom anyway. A barrel of fracs and 1s at that point isn't very impactful but should you need to fully count stacks it's still fast if they have them in barrels of 20.

 

[Tonysquander]

 

[rocktheproject]

Tournament chips should have the same edge spot pattern. /thread

 

[Josh Kifer]

Don’t want to derail so edited my response in the thread and will just paste here instead. I don’t think it’s controversial, but it must be since there’s literally not been 1 socially engineered standard procedure implemented since I’ve been here.

This was in response to:


You guys had so many YEARS to figure that out.

Nobody can give me “oh the hobby” nonsense when this is the site we get.

How hard was it to set a standard, ie if buying to murder, name your price and people get a small window to match.

If murdering, best practice to post the thread and no comments needed just thumbs up/down. You can murder either way, but if the feedback was overwhelmingly to not do so, do it at your own peril (may have a bit more difficult time in classifieds after that).

There’s a million diff routes.

But we don’t have standards for anything, a membership that obviously couldn’t care less as a whole, and administration that prefers a completely opaque and buyer/seller beware marketplace.

I’d bet the overwhelming % of pcfers agree on prob 95%+ of which chips should or shouldn’t be murdered.

Can't speak on murdering, but I've milled thousands on thousands of chips and maybe 10-15 racks people would have cared about.... The rest were some random hot stamps or weird initials no one were using. I'll stand by putting those into use is better than having a "DYH" black 10.00 rack being stored for this hobby.

 

[Josh Kifer]

The 2009 Ladies event used the primary chip set you own.

You've fallen into your own trap, idiot!

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[DirtyTIVA]

Pre-flop PLO action is meaningless.

Sent via constantly getting crushed by rainbow warriors. Yeah buddy, you're was definitely the right call. Even intentionally used the wrong version of "your" to stoop to your braindead level.

#Fpoker

Sounds like your group needs to raise the stakes or play Badugi.

 

[Jaxen]

Putting 3-4 racks of 5s in play, when I run out of 5s the rebuys are with 25s and I'll exchange the 25s with some of the largest stacks of 5s. Helps keep the big chip stacks managable. My crew likes to fight for the 25s as a badge of honor.

If you have 4-5 denominations in play, generally you're eyeballing the top 2-3 largest chip denom anyway. A barrel of fracs and 1s at that point isn't very impactful but should you need to fully count stacks it's still fast if they have them in barrels of 20.

In our game the bank colors up anything significant over 2-3 barrels of each color (fracs, $1, $5 in a .25/50 game) or 5 $20s to a $100. If there's a need for change we can put those back on the table, but it just helps smooth the cash-out process at the end ... if players are stacking in barrels of 20.