Controversial Chip & Poker Opinions (41 Viewers)

Easy answer.

Some are simple - question, answer, done.

Others regarding certain chips, manufacturers, breakdowns, etc. aren’t.

They’ll ask a common question, people will start answering, there’s a discussion (that mirrors the same previous 100 thread conversations), eventually the other/original thread will be necroed, both will simultaneously run, then the necroed will be the primary.

This will happen again. And again. And again. And again.

Unless there’s been a change in “the best breakdown for xyz” “where did that design come from” or whatever the topic is, by doing this we’ve now 1) made the search tool less effective, 2) made the similar threads functionality less effective, 3) made it more difficult to change and update the hierarchal structure and organization for future PCF updates.

Is it a big deal? No not at all. But figured I’d share that there are some reasons to do a cursory search (and I do really enjoy the organization/management {nontechnical} side of communication/membership management platforms - it’s what my last company did).
I understand and get the same questions being answered hundreds of times. Again the “new members start here” I agree is helpful. But also how many of those threads we want them to search have 400 comments that have nothing to do with the original question… or 35 different opinions for answers of that question.

I think we all remember walking into this community and they say “you have to make 10 posts before you can participate” well if I use your search function, weed through 400 comments and maybe come up with a version of the question I had… how is that helping me get to 10? I didn’t make the rules… and I am
Ok with it to help reduce scams… but it can definitely be intimidating walking in here and trying to find a place in the pecking order of life.

But instead let’s say I ask my question! Hey that’s one post! Someone responds, I thank them for their input, that’s two post!

Them some (insert what ever seems fit) person comes along with the proverbial “dude we have a search function” okay… thanks for that high quality thoughtful response!

The thing is someone absolutely every single time WILL take the time to come up with a thoughtful answer, of course their opinion and we all have them, nothing wrong with that, nothing wrong with responding that you think someone else’s advice is crap! It’s a discussion! I would much rather post there personally than making the 4.987th post about “paper gate” and how wrong it was and what should happen for restitution! Everybody gotta comment on that drama!

But man it is painful to stop and say 100/200/300/80/20… God what an awful amount of effort that took right there!
 
@Ben8257 in my first 6 months I didn’t ask questions and used the search cause of exactly what you have mentioned.
What I really needed some days was a live chat where I could ask quick fire questions like shooting the breeze at a table.
Instead I grinded through that search function for months like a true autistic.

Sometimes it feels a little formal around here and when you are hyper focused for months on a set, lineup, individual chip or whatever you can get tunnel vision and you just need someone to point out the obvious without it being a whole new post.

When I don’t ask questions it kinda feeds on itself and I start to think I’m in too deep now to turn back and ask questions. 😄
 
I find the search function to be awful. I now use ChatGPT to search the site. Unfortunately it often pops out results where a newbie is asking a question and the response is “use the search function”
How does one use chaptgpt to search a website

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What about people that are like “what’s the best frac for my set?” And they won’t post their set so you have no idea colors denoms spot patterns. Then you just post a chip and they’re like “I already have a blue chip”. That’s why you post photo of the set first.
Bought that post too brother… uggh! If you want to tell the tale, tell it correctly! It’s worse than you are saying!!

Post says help me find a $.5 chip… that means a 50 cent chip in every math test I ever cheated on! Shit I could get that one right on my own actually… but no homie isn’t even looking for a fiddy center, he wants a nickel! Umm isn’t that $.05??? Then ohh I already have a blue chip… why weren’t we given ALL the details before you asked for advice?

I didn’t say ALL of the questions are winners Mr. Shin.
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PCF is a behemoth at this point, continually scaling upwards. Many positives and negatives from that, like the search functionality - so much more content to search from (yay), but also so much content to search from (hard).

And the admins/mods are kind enough to keep this place free.

Due to sheer size and it being free and the limitations that creates, I'd hypothesize that normally we'd see a natural secondary/tertiary location begin in it's infancy within the last few or future few years - it's a natural cycle.

It can't be all fun running this place, take your pick.
  • Every new functionality/update seems to get split positive/negative feedback (huge userbase, no meaningful public social box)
  • Most new members can't "pierce the veil" unless they're a designer/meaningful contributor (a la cratty), willing to travel to attend, or geographically located to attend and make connections (a la chippitydoodah)
  • Long term users have almost entirely moved to 3rd party platforms for meaningful communications despite no platform decay, in fact, I'd dare say PCF still operates under the initial phase of "attracting users"
What's the solution? I don't think there is one, you just keep pushing down the road in the same direction and do the best you can. A fantastic example is to take a quick look at the menu above. Links, Chip DB, Events, Resources, Media. Yes, there are some specific gems in there (eg abbys game cards), but those are almost non existent - their use compared to the forum and marketplace is near 0. There's been minor changes, but it's near impossible to change the tires on the car while it's driving on an out of the box solution. Add to the fact that there are no champions for those pieces of the platform and PCF doesn't seem to have lighthouse members helping lead others towards it - it's going to be impossibly hard for PCF to ever be more than what it is today.

I'm just writing this as an exercise while I wait for my 9:30, no one will read this Ben Book. But it is interesting and fun to look at.

I think the BEST thing in the world that happened for PCF was the shuttering of homepokerforum and the rise of pokerchipper. Just like there was something before the blue wall, then blue wall, then orange, all the signs are there that the userbase (current, new, and future membership) have the ability to support a small, social forward member-led platform. HPF was built in a way that specifically supported that, while chipper is flush with barriers to success - 3 years past launch and still at negative positioning/messaging, extreme low adoption rate for signed members, no specific customer (user) profile/definitions, and zero product/platform differentiation from PCF.

IMO pokerchipper bought PCF years of runway in preventing a secondary location/partial exodus. But the cracks will appear and develop over time, eg recent new member asking about discord (which if not the exact approach, the idea [real time communication] is probably supported by new members across the board, eg see the immediate comment above lol).

None of this is negative or positive commentary on any platform, or judgement cast. Just jotting down some thoughts and putting this out there, so that I can post a Negrodamus meme in a couple years when it all comes to fruition. Off to my meeting, tootles!

edit - the natural solution is often times changing to pay to play btw, which of course would be disastrous, I think everyone's thankful it's not p2p here. imo the best solution is hopefully instead of the normal cycle (like the blue to orange exodus), there's a companion platform that is not in competition, but parallel like hpf

2nd edit - noting I wish the best to all admins/mods/members of all sites in case my tone on this post is misinterpreted
 
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Bought that post too brother… uggh! If you want to tell the tale, tell it correctly! It’s worse than you are saying!!

Post says help me find a $.5 chip… that means a 50 cent chip in every math test I ever cheated on! Shit I could get that one right on my own actually… but no homie isn’t even looking for a fiddy center, he wants a nickel! Umm isn’t that $.05??? Then ohh I already have a blue chip… why weren’t we given ALL the details before you asked for advice?

I didn’t say ALL of the questions are winners Mr. Shin.
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I hear you, brother. But it wasn’t just that one post. There’s been a lot of post where people asking for different denominations. They won’t show their lineup so we have no idea what will work. Then when somebody makes a suggestion, they’re always like that’s not gonna work.
 
I’m just saying if you want recommendations then post your lineup so we can help. Dont be all secretive and expect people to help.


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lol love you as*holes, it was a fun free form writing exercise. Hmmmm maybe that’s what Ben’s doing all the time….

omg I wish, I’d cure cancer and send man to space taking those
Ditto. But it would probably be a gateway to meth, for me.
 
PCF is a behemoth at this point, continually scaling upwards. Many positives and negatives from that, like the search functionality - so much more content to search from (yay), but also so much content to search from (hard).

And the admins/mods are kind enough to keep this place free.

Due to sheer size and it being free and the limitations that creates, I'd hypothesize that normally we'd see a natural secondary/tertiary location begin in it's infancy within the last few or future few years - it's a natural cycle.

It can't be all fun running this place, take your pick.
  • Every new functionality/update seems to get split positive/negative feedback (huge userbase, no meaningful public social box)
  • Most new members can't "pierce the veil" unless they're a designer/meaningful contributor (a la cratty), willing to travel to attend, or geographically located to attend and make connections (a la chippitydoodah)
  • Long term users have almost entirely moved to 3rd party platforms for meaningful communications despite no platform decay, in fact, I'd dare say PCF still operates under the initial phase of "attracting users"
What's the solution? I don't think there is one, you just keep pushing down the road in the same direction and do the best you can. A fantastic example is to take a quick look at the menu above. Links, Chip DB, Events, Resources, Media. Yes, there are some specific gems in there (eg abbys game cards), but those are almost non existent - their use compared to the forum and marketplace is near 0. There's been minor changes, but it's near impossible to change the tires on the car while it's driving on an out of the box solution. Add to the fact that there are no champions for those pieces of the platform and PCF doesn't seem to have lighthouse members helping lead others towards it - it's going to be impossibly hard for PCF to ever be more than what it is today.

I'm just writing this as an exercise while I wait for my 9:30, no one will read this Ben Book. But it is interesting and fun to look at.

I think the BEST thing in the world that happened for PCF was the shuttering of homepokerforum and the rise of pokerchipper. Just like there was something before the blue wall, then blue wall, then orange, all the signs are there that the userbase (current, new, and future membership) have the ability to support a small, social forward member-led platform. HPF was built in a way that specifically supported that, while chipper is flush with barriers to success - 3 years past launch and still at negative positioning/messaging, extreme low adoption rate for signed members, no specific customer (user) profile/definitions, and zero product/platform differentiation from PCF.

IMO pokerchipper bought PCF years of runway in preventing a secondary location/partial exodus. But the cracks will appear and develop over time, eg recent new member asking about discord (which if not the exact approach, the idea [real time communication] is probably supported by new members across the board, eg see the immediate comment above lol).

None of this is negative or positive commentary on any platform, or judgement cast. Just jotting down some thoughts and putting this out there, so that I can post a Negrodamus meme in a couple years when it all comes to fruition. Off to my meeting, tootles!

edit - the natural solution is often times changing to pay to play btw, which of course would be disastrous, I think everyone's thankful it's not p2p here. imo the best solution is hopefully instead of the normal cycle (like the blue to orange exodus), there's a companion platform that is not in competition, but parallel like hpf

2nd edit - noting I wish the best to all admins/mods/members of all sites in case my tone on this post is misinterpreted
What about chipdonkeys? And the other one I can’t remember (maybe that WAS homepokerforum.)
Anyway, if I’m reading you right, you’re saying we’re exactly like the chip board guys, except with slightly younger software? That’s mean.
 
What about chipdonkeys? And the other one I can’t remember (maybe that WAS homepokerforum.)
I wasn't here for chipdonkeys, but from what I've been told I think it shared some of the similar barriers to entry/greater adoption that chipper currently encounters - or for all I know never had the original intent to be a full fledged standalone platform for more than just the immediate circles that did adopt it in the short window it operated.

HPF was ran by mac with blessing by orange wall and was described as an "oasis" for smaller, more personal interaction. I would take a (completely off the wall random) guess that it had a more widespread (not pulling from specific membership pool), meaningful penetration (ooc) of dual pcf membership than either chipdonk or chipper.

Anyway, if I’m reading you right, you’re saying we’re exactly like the chip board guys, except with slightly younger software? That’s mean.
I don't know the chip board guys, I wasn't here, I don't know the platform, software, etc.

But sure. Things are cyclical, and this scenario/situation isn't novel by any means. Doesn't mean I'm right, doesn't mean I'm wrong, but I'm certainly not mean :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
 
eg recent new member asking about discord
By the way, that seemed so off the wall to me. New guy shows up on a forum where he doesn’t know anybody and asks if we want to watch sports on tv with him on discord?
I have no doubt it’s a generational thing. And I really don’t know if I should salute the guy or pity him. But I did the equivalent of a double take on that one. Huh?
 
By the way, that seemed so off the wall to me. New guy shows up on a forum where he doesn’t know anybody and asks if we want to watch sports on tv with him on discord?
I have no doubt it’s a generational thing. And I really don’t know if I should salute the guy or pity him. But I did the equivalent of a double take on that one. Huh?
Lol I think everyone did. It was an......interesting take. And definitely was not going to get widespread support.

That being said, word it differently as the ability to have an instant message capability, chipping specific. with ability for each member to create private groups and admins to create/organize overarching topics/channels? A la discord, slack? Bingo bongo vince.

I got overwhelmed with notifications and feeling terminally online with all the group stuff awhile ago and left all whatsapp/signal/groupchats I was in. Lol that was prob a bit too kneejerk of a reaction because I'm not in them now and it's the only place stuff gets done. If group PMs didn't exist on here, I wouldn't even need to PCF. I just happen to post and comment because I'm on a computer multi tasking and come here to check pms, then am like well might as well take a look at "new posts" threads.
 
Lol I think everyone did. It was an......interesting take. And definitely was not going to get widespread support.

That being said, word it differently as the ability to have an instant message capability, chipping specific. with ability for each member to create private groups and admins to create/organize overarching topics/channels? A la discord, slack? Bingo bongo vince.

I got overwhelmed with notifications and feeling terminally online with all the group stuff awhile ago and left all whatsapp/signal/groupchats I was in. Lol that was prob a bit too kneejerk of a reaction because I'm not in them now and it's the only place stuff gets done. If group PMs didn't exist on here, I wouldn't even need to PCF. I just happen to post and comment because I'm on a computer multi tasking and come here to check pms, then am like well might as well take a look at "new posts" threads.
Are you saying most of the sales get done over private chats?
 
Are you saying most of the sales get done over private chats?
Not necessarily and nothing bad.

Long term relationship communications tend to go private. And long term relationships are where it's at in....any community.

Building those relationships, cracking or creating those groups, etc. of course are going to contain meaningful exchanges and sales, but I'm not inferring that's the only way to get things done.
 
Not necessarily and nothing bad.

Long term relationship communications tend to go private. And long term relationships are where it's at in....any community.

Building those relationships, cracking or creating those groups, etc. of course are going to contain meaningful exchanges and sales, but I'm not inferring that's the only way to get things done.
Yeah I’m not in any of these secondary groups or group chats, but it occurs to me that the most expensive set I ever sold, I sold to a PCFer offline. It just makes a lot more sense sometimes, to get a fair price from somebody you know, than to post it here and hope hope hope you have a cool transaction.
Like you said - long term relationships are a natural evolution.
 
eg recent new member asking about discord
In fairness, I think that's just what most people (esp young people) use in lieu of forums these days. Get the same basic benefits (organized community communications) with an easy setup, transferable UI across different servers, no hosting fees, voice chat, etc.
 

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