Controversial Chip & Poker Opinions (38 Viewers)

jr8719 said:
So everyone has access to GPI then?
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TRK, Chipco, others… do people have access to those? Yet some sets are (or should be) in HOF … also, just because CPC takes orders from consumers, doesn’t mean every consumer can order … hence why a significant number of PCFers continue to order Tina chips … I bet there is a fair number of people who would say: if budget was not an issue, I could design and make a magnificent CPC set… but many can’t… understandably so.
 
This is clearly a HOF set :p

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kmccormick100 said:
As somebody who had a large hand in designing the RPC cash sets and 43mm tourney set, I can say that the GPI limited spot patterns were devastating. We were told that pattens
# 18 21 26 28, 29, 30, 31,32,33 35 aka all the best ones, were all unavailable and only options for casino reorders of existing chips. I’m not sure what witchcraft Ken pulled to coerce GPI to make an exception, but it was both exciting to see and soul crushing after not having the option. Here’s the design brochure as GPI provided it. View attachment 1280438View attachment 1280440View attachment 1280441

The original RPC cash lineups were something more like this. GPI also ended up subbing some colors even in the final lineup, which I don’t think the Tigers were subject to either. View attachment 1280443View attachment 1280456

The 39mm tourney set ended up being designed by a different party, but my original design was supposed to be a 4W set prior to that spot getting pulled too.
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that 3ta14 cali $5 would've been sooooo sick, damn shame GPI pulled that
 
kk405 said:
TRK, Chipco, others… do people have access to those? Yet some sets are (or should be) in HOF … also, just because CPC takes orders from consumers, doesn’t mean every consumer can order … hence why a significant number of PCFers continue to order Tina chips … I bet there is a fair number of people who would say: if budget was not an issue, I could design and make a magnificent CPC set… but many can’t… understandably so.
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Don't know whether you're intentionally avoiding the point you know is being made here, so:

If I rang up the following (currently operating) chip manufacturers on Monday, told them I had $10,000 I wanted to spend on a set of custom chips, how many would be willing to grant my wish?

1.) GPI
2.) Matsui
3.) CPC
4.) Abbiati
 
Personally, I feel that the HoF is a sham. I say that as someone that was on the committee in the early days. It was a noble thought, but the execution was, and is, always going to be flawed.

A true chip HoF should be something that exists as a forever poll. Get 1000 votes (or some other extreme number), and you are in. The committee should have little to do with it beyond administration of the poll.

There should be no barrier, such as who produced the chips, if they were NAGB, relabels, custom, fantasy or casino. Make a set. Make it cool. Make it into the Hall of Fame.

That's my controversial opinion of the day.
 
jr8719 said:
Don't know whether you're intentionally avoiding the point you know is being made here, so:

If I rang up the following (currently operating) chip manufacturers on Monday, told them I had $10,000 I wanted to spend on a set of custom chips, how many would be willing to grant my wish?

1.) GPI
2.) Matsui
3.) CPC
4.) Abbiati
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5) Tina/Alibaba

FYP.
 
upNdown said:
Suddenly the HOF seems much more important because eff Tina!
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Eff Tina because they are one of the few places where you can get a fully customized set made up for a very reasonable cost? That's really a sad take. Sorry but not all of us are willing to commit $3K+ for a full custom set from CPC. And the new web mold hybrids are wonderful chips.
 
TX_Golf_N_Poker said:
Eff Tina because they are one of the few places where you can get a fully customized set made up for a very reasonable cost? That's really a sad take. Sorry but not all of us are willing to commit $3K+ for a full custom set from CPC. And the new web mold hybrids are wonderful chips.
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Oh, you like the new ceramic chip molds? Why haven't you told us about this before?

upNdown said:
Suddenly the HOF seems much more important because eff Tina!
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Huh, you don't like Tina ceramics?

Real confused why you guys have been so guarded with these opinions before now.
 
TX_Golf_N_Poker said:
Eff Tina because they are one of the few places where you can get a fully customized set made up for a very reasonable cost? That's really a sad take. Sorry but not all of us are willing to commit $3K+ for a full custom set from CPC. And the new web mold hybrids are wonderful chips.
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Nope. Because violates intellectual property with what she prints, and now she’s stolen a bunch of molds too. But you knew that - as @NotRealNameNoSir points out, nothing new to see here.
 
upNdown said:
Nope. Because violates intellectual property with what she prints, and now she’s stolen a bunch of molds too. But you knew that - as @NotRealNameNoSir points out, nothing new to see here.
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Just kicking around, completely understand your position. I'll admit I don't understand the hubbub about the Hall of Fame being a popularity contest, aren't all HoFs popularity contests? That's the point, unpopular things/bands/movies/whatever don't make it into the HoF, duh?


I'm an oceanographer by the way, not sure I mention it enough.
 
NotRealNameNoSir said:
Just kicking around, completely understand your position. I'll admit I don't understand the hubbub about the Hall of Fame being a popularity contest, aren't all HoFs popularity contests? That's the point, unpopular things/bands/movies/whatever don't make it into the HoF, duh?


I'm an oceanographer by the way, not sure I mention it enough.
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Oh I meant that it’s more about the popularity of the chipper who designed them and not as much about the actual chips.
But I’m sure I’ve said way more than anybody needs to hear.
 
I think the new hybrid ceramics have brought chipping back for us normal folk who want to design new sets but do not have thousands to spend. I do not believe the New Greek Key mold or Web mold step on anyone’s rights and the others available are one’s I would not use but it’s up to each person’s own decision. Chip on!!
 
upNdown said:
Nope. Because violates intellectual property with what she prints, and now she’s stolen a bunch of molds too. But you knew that - as @NotRealNameNoSir points out, nothing new to see here.
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In your opinion, what does the villain “pie chart” look like when considering the person who commissions the design that violates IP, the designer (sometimes the same person), or the printer (Tina, who prints the design on blank chips)?

I’m considering the Sands chips on the web mold, but it does nettle me that the chips probably violate some sort of IP law (or at a minimum morality?)
 
NotRealNameNoSir said:
Just kicking around, completely understand your position. I'll admit I don't understand the hubbub about the Hall of Fame being a popularity contest, aren't all HoFs popularity contests? That's the point, unpopular things/bands/movies/whatever don't make it into the HoF, duh?


I'm an oceanographer by the way, not sure I mention it enough.
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They could always be like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and induct whatever the fuck is popular instead of what the title of the place would suggest.
 
elemeno said:
In your opinion, what does the villain “pie chart” look like when considering the person who commissions the design that violates IP, the designer (sometimes the same person), or the printer (Tina, who prints the design on blank chips)?

I’m considering the Sands chips on the web mold, but it does nettle me that the chips probably violate some sort of IP law (or at a minimum morality?)
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Only you can decide what you’re okay with. Personally I have twin demons when it comes to this stuff - 1, I’d like to respect the IP of others and 2, I also don’t want to play with fakes or copies. I’d rather play with some generic design than some officially licensed copy (not that many of those exist but some do, like the Apache China clay Dunes for example.)
But that’s my personal brand of crazy.
You gotta decide what you’re comfortable with.
Just as an fyi, I’ll add that I know people here have actually contacted IP holders to get permission to use their stuff on a personal set of chips - it’s been done.

But to answer your question, my opinion is that the buyer person who commissions the chips, the artist who creates the unlicensed copy art, and the printer are all at fault, but whoever is profiting from it gets a bigger piece of my blame pie. (I don’t care that China doesn’t care, it still feels wrong to me.)
 
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upNdown said:
Only you can decide what you’re okay with. Personally I have twin demons when it comes to this stuff - 1, I’d like to respect the IP of others and 2, I also don’t want to play with fakes or copies. I’d rather play with some generic design than some officially licensed copy (not that many of those exist but some do, like the Apache China clay Dunes for example.)
But that’s my personal brand of crazy.
You gotta decide what you’re comfortable with.
Just as an fyi, I’ll add that I know people here have actually contacted IP holders to get permission to use their stuff on a personal set of chips - it’s been done.
But to answer your question, my opinion is that the buyer person who commissions the chips, the artist who creates the unlicensed copy art, and the printer are all equally at fault, but whoever is profiting from it gets a bigger piece of my blame pie. (I don’t care that China doesn’t care, it still feels wrong to me.)
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Yeah, I can see that. IMO everyone is at fault, but the most shame should fall on the person/people who spearheaded the idea. Without them, the designer and printer wouldn’t have made it.

Ugh, I think I’ve convinced myself not to go with the Sands, though.
 
IP amongst chippers is an extremely gray area.

I need a frac for my Paris $1s. Boom, one relabel from an extremely highly regarded member and you are there. Same for Hundos for the same set. If the IP violation is from North America, its cool but if it's from China it's bad?
 
Poker Zombie said:
IP amongst chippers is an extremely gray area.

I need a frac for my Paris $1s. Boom, one relabel from an extremely highly regarded member and you are there. Same for Hundos for the same set. If the IP violation is from North America, its cool but if it's from China it's bad?
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It’s not gray, it’s hypocritical. No one can claim ignorance in this situation, right?
 
So does the IP exist for just inlay art, or for edge spots too? It’s a slippery slope we can slide down. Spots and color?
 

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