PepperPaul
Pair
I’m doing a shitty-chip giveaway and giving away a rack of actually shitty chips in Jers28’s honor. I’ve got tons of chips (some crispy, some shitty), maybe I’ll make this an annnual event.
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Clear bait and switch for the win… (2 Viewers)
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@Jers28 has JERS in his name. @dizzyChipper who is supporting him is from New JERSey. I think that's absolute proof that he's in on this scam! 
And I was once 28!@Jers28 has JERS in his name. @dizzyChipper who is supporting him is from New JERSey. I think that's absolute proof that he's in on this scam!
I’ll do you one better. @Jers28 is @dizzyChipper@Jers28 has JERS in his name. @dizzyChipper who is supporting him is from New JERSey. I think that's absolute proof that he's in on this scam!
Don’t be ridiculous.
Yours truly,
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OP
OP
28 has its own story for a time when I’m not being chased by pitchforks. But, here’s an example. KJ are my son’s initials. The kid has more heart than anyone I know. He was born on 8/28. He’s betting $28 with 8 chips. My idea and my pic (with my wife’s help), but my tattoo artist crushed it! Even my son, how thinks tattoos are stupid, smiled, then shoved me and said “shut the fuck up” when I showed him. That’s teenager speak for I love it, fwiw. lol
OP
OP
I realize you’re doing everything in your power to paint yourself into a victim light and all, but when you’ve had enough fun, if you’d like to put up anything for auction, I’ll match whatever it brings to the charity of your choice (as long as it’s not you), assuming you’ll donate the proceeds, also. We can get a third party to handle the transactional portion. In spite of everything, I have friends on here who’d happily help out for a good cause. We could make that an annual event. Name it Jeremy is a POS for all I care.
OP
OP
My vote would be St Jude’s, but we should post a poll and take a vote on who to give the money to, charity wise.
acezag
Flush
I'm sure you have a plethora of good folks who would be the middle man, but happy to help.
IMO ghosting is the primary ingredient of every scam that's happened at PCF since I've joined. Take away the ghosting, and there's no thread here. A lesson for anyone who's selling: ghost and we're all gonna get very jumpy on your ass. You've been warned.
ChipFinderSK
Full House
Thread needs a poll (and maybe a new verse/remix of that AI song)
OP
OP
If I’m being honest, the song may have been worth the grief all alone. Definitely a new verse. Throw in the twist where I’m a villain, no it’s Cole, no it’s @dizzyChipper aka Jers28 after all! Muhahahaha I’m really only qualified to listen to music, but the AI can figure it out.
Thank you kind sir! We’ve never had the pleasure of doing business (I think, I’m sincerely apologetic if we have…I’ve bought a lot of chips) and almost no interaction, so you’d be a perfect third party!
ChipMonster
Straight
One thing is abundantly clear, we all need to come together to agree on chip condition standards once and for all.
AI generated below:
The Definitive (Totally Serious) Poker Chip Condition Scale
(As Agreed Upon by Zero Experts but Already Binding & Legally Enforceable)
MINTY (a.k.a. “Factory Fresh”)
Straight out of the mold. Edges sharper than your last breakup. Could actually draw blood if spun too fast.
CRISPY
They’ve been in a rack for maybe a week. Dust has settled, oils haven’t. Still “shffft-shffft” when you shuffle.
CRUNCHY
Lightly played. Edges still there but more “firm handshake” than “blade.” Most home games would still call these mint.
SNAPPY
Some play, edges rounding a bit, colors still loud. Still photogenic. These chips have opinions.
SPICY
Noticeable wear. You can see some history, but they still shuffle smooth. Your friend who “only buys mint” will quietly judge them, but everyone else thinks they’re great.
SEASONED
Solid use. Felt kisses, stack marks, maybe a dull spot or two. These chips have stories. (Mostly bad beats.)
SALTY
Surface wear, dull edges, maybe a cigarette burn from a 1997 riverboat. Definitely been in the hands of at least one guy named “Gary” who angle-shot.
GRITTY
Considerable wear. Edges? What edges? These are basically poker-playing river stones. They sound tired.
TIRED
Like been-through-combat tired. Colors faded, edges rounded like river pebbles. Shuffle like wet bread but somehow still loveable.
BIKE-TIRE
The traditional PCF insult tier.
Think: dropped on concrete, left in garage, dog tried to eat one.
Smells faintly like old bicycle rubber when riffled.
WARPED & TRASHED SCAMMER CHIPS
The bottom of the barrel.
Bent, swollen, bowed — possibly used as coasters.
You need a C-clamp to get them into a barrel.
Selling these should require a moral waiver and a 48-hour holding period.
AI generated below:
The Definitive (Totally Serious) Poker Chip Condition Scale (As Agreed Upon by Zero Experts but Already Binding & Legally Enforceable)
MINTY (a.k.a. “Factory Fresh”)
Straight out of the mold. Edges sharper than your last breakup. Could actually draw blood if spun too fast.
CRISPY
They’ve been in a rack for maybe a week. Dust has settled, oils haven’t. Still “shffft-shffft” when you shuffle.
CRUNCHY
Lightly played. Edges still there but more “firm handshake” than “blade.” Most home games would still call these mint.
SNAPPY
Some play, edges rounding a bit, colors still loud. Still photogenic. These chips have opinions.
SPICY
Noticeable wear. You can see some history, but they still shuffle smooth. Your friend who “only buys mint” will quietly judge them, but everyone else thinks they’re great.
SEASONED
Solid use. Felt kisses, stack marks, maybe a dull spot or two. These chips have stories. (Mostly bad beats.)
SALTY
Surface wear, dull edges, maybe a cigarette burn from a 1997 riverboat. Definitely been in the hands of at least one guy named “Gary” who angle-shot.
GRITTY
Considerable wear. Edges? What edges? These are basically poker-playing river stones. They sound tired.
TIRED
Like been-through-combat tired. Colors faded, edges rounded like river pebbles. Shuffle like wet bread but somehow still loveable.
BIKE-TIRE
The traditional PCF insult tier.
Think: dropped on concrete, left in garage, dog tried to eat one.
Smells faintly like old bicycle rubber when riffled.
WARPED & TRASHED SCAMMER CHIPS
The bottom of the barrel.
Bent, swollen, bowed — possibly used as coasters.
You need a C-clamp to get them into a barrel.
Selling these should require a moral waiver and a 48-hour holding period.
@Szczesnk your Kevin world chips were great but would you say they were snappy, spicy, or seasoned lol, I think seasoned.
If AI is this funny we’re all doomed.
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If this 1 issue begets:
Parody Songs.
Final adoption of condition standards.
A donation to st Jude or other NFP charities.
Chip millers and labelers adding a condition check with customer when receiving 3rd party chips.
Then this entire kerfuffle would be a blessing with the real negative impact left on the world being a closeup of @Jers28 s nipple.
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One thing is abundantly clear, we all need to come together to agree on chip condition standards once and for all.
AI generated below:
(As Agreed Upon by Zero Experts but Already Binding & Legally Enforceable)
MINTY (a.k.a. “Factory Fresh”)
Straight out of the mold. Edges sharper than your last breakup. Could actually draw blood if spun too fast.
CRISPY
They’ve been in a rack for maybe a week. Dust has settled, oils haven’t. Still “shffft-shffft” when you shuffle.
CRUNCHY
Lightly played. Edges still there but more “firm handshake” than “blade.” Most home games would still call these mint.
SNAPPY
Some play, edges rounding a bit, colors still loud. Still photogenic. These chips have opinions.
SPICY
Noticeable wear. You can see some history, but they still shuffle smooth. Your friend who “only buys mint” will quietly judge them, but everyone else thinks they’re great.
SEASONED
Solid use. Felt kisses, stack marks, maybe a dull spot or two. These chips have stories. (Mostly bad beats.)
SALTY
Surface wear, dull edges, maybe a cigarette burn from a 1997 riverboat. Definitely been in the hands of at least one guy named “Gary” who angle-shot.
GRITTY
Considerable wear. Edges? What edges? These are basically poker-playing river stones. They sound tired.
TIRED
Like been-through-combat tired. Colors faded, edges rounded like river pebbles. Shuffle like wet bread but somehow still loveable.
BIKE-TIRE
The traditional PCF insult tier.
Think: dropped on concrete, left in garage, dog tried to eat one.
Smells faintly like old bicycle rubber when riffled.
WARPED & TRASHED SCAMMER CHIPS
The bottom of the barrel.
Bent, swollen, bowed — possibly used as coasters.
You need a C-clamp to get them into a barrel.
Selling these should require a moral waiver and a 48-hour holding period.
LOL. My one change would be that I feel there should be a distinction between MINT and MINTY. “Mint” to me means they have never been used at all. Basically straight from the factory to someone who never touched them. Whereas “minty” to me means they still look and feel like they’re mint, but in fact have seen only light use with no wear-and-tear.
Before using any of these labels, though, I prefer the suggestion earlier in the thread that sellers stick to describing the history of their chips’ use first, to the extent known.
For example, I have some chips which as I understood it were never used (secondaries from a casino which rebranded quickly after opening). I got these on the felt about a dozen times for a two-table tournament. Because I had lots of extras, some of the chips never got into play, but most did, and I can't tell the difference between them. They all still are very, very sharp with no obvious blemishes. One might call them “mint-ish” or “crispy” or whatever, but the actual history combined with lots of photos should tell the story if/when I ever sell them.
The problem comes when you have chips whose past is unknown before you own them. Then some more careful thought has to go into the description. But there is no substitute for lots of well-lit high-res pics, ideally both stacked and racked up, with some others shown on edge, if they stand, and also spread out to show representative faces. I think detailed descriptions and photos should get more weight than subjective descriptions. (What does excellent mean, vs. very good, vs. good, etc.? I suspect we all have slightly different standards.(
Buyers also should probably ask for additional pics if the purchase is (a) expensive and (b) based on an expectation of perfect or especially excellent condition.
Wils
Flush
Plot twist: PepperPaul sent three racks (one minty, one not so, one a bit crap, exactly as described) to Cole to mill.
Cole, by some strange coincidence, already has three shitty racks of fleabitten, cronky green chips of obviously different shades. *He* is the one who did the bait & switch.
Cole sends Jers28 *his* old chips and keeps PepperPaul's nice minty chips for himself, and sits back and enjoys the fireworks, knowing that he is the only person (apart from PepperPaul of course) who ever saw the chips exactly as they were sent.
How is no one else seeing this
?(Seriously though, hate seeing bad blood like this. From what I've seen, these situations are usually the product of good intentions and bad comms. Hope it gets settled to everyone's satisfaction but I don't see that happening somehow).
Sorry everyone, just spent most of the morning reading through the latest. Just to provide my thoughts, the chips handled were not sharp vibrant racks that were originally posted unless maybe there was more vibrance in the original photo settings and the best of the best chips were at the front. The color variance/nicks between them was more noticeable with the chips that Jers probably threw away. They certainly weren't bike tires but minty was for sure not in my vocabulary when I had received them. I had no reference to what Jers had bought at the time so I didn't think to question it at that time unfortunately. He had mentioned to me that he had some green starbursts coming my way and to mill them Again, I've learned to ensure that I document everything that comes in thoroughly with the client as to not have another similar situation in the future. And as my own level of CYA...
but no definitely wouldn't be trying to risk my reputation on something like this. I actually don't even own a barrel of solids today.
Unfortunately this is the only photo proof I had on these after I had finished the milling process. I always snap a photo to send as proof of completion once to done.
This gave me a chuckle. Lord knows I needed to have my most minty greenies
but no definitely wouldn't be trying to risk my reputation on something like this. I actually don't even own a barrel of solids today.Attachments
PepperPaul
Pair
Sorry everyone, just spent most of the morning reading through the latest. Just to provide my thoughts, the chips handled were not sharp vibrant racks that were originally posted unless maybe there was more vibrance in the original photo settings and the best of the best chips were at the front. The color variance/nicks between them was more noticeable with the chips that Jers probably threw away. They certainly weren't bike tires but minty was for sure not in my vocabulary when I had received them. I had no reference to what Jers had bought at the time so I didn't think to question it at that time unfortunately. He had mentioned to me that he had some green starbursts coming my way and to mill them Again, I've learned to ensure that I document everything that comes in thoroughly with the client as to not have another similar situation in the future. And as my own level of CYA...
Unfortunately this is the only photo proof I had on these after I had finished the milling process. I always snap a photo to send as proof of completion once to done.
This gave me a chuckle. Lord knows I needed to have my most minty greenies
My thoughts on Cole’s reply. The best of the best were definitely in a rack together. But I sent pics of all the chips (well, 325 of the 340 anyway because I separated out the fun nite chips because I didn’t think he would be Interested in those initially).
In my communication with Jers, I never once used the term “mint” or “minty.” A quote directly from my DM to Jers:
“I pulled out my chips and I have about 3 racks of greens. They’re slightly different shades of green though. One rack is basically super crispy, the second not quite as crispy, and the third rack (125 chips), a little less so. I took a bunch of pics to try and get an accurate reflection of all of the chips. One pic has some of the two best racks stacked every other chip so you can see them together. Take a look and tell me if you’re still interested. I’m not totally convinced I want to sell them so all good whatever you decide.”
I described color variations between the racks, and also condition variations between racks.
When I offered to sell the additional 140 chips after we had originally agreed to the 200 chips, I offered them at a significant discount compared to the first two racks because they weren’t as nice of chips. Jers was paying $2.25/chip for the first two racks and I offered to sell the remaining 140 chips for $1.40/chip as a reflection of the lower quality of that third rack and a half. Even still, those chips were not trash (save for the 5 or 6 that actually were trash and I should have just tossed, but I included because I was just shipping out all the remaining greens I owned.
Looking at the pic that Cole posted, it looks like a random sampling of 150 of the 340 chips and none of them look like trash. It’s not a super hi-res shot but I don’t see a single flea bite showing on any of them.
I also told Jers that the three racks were separated and packed separately and marked “Rack 1. Rack 2, and Rack 3.” Cole can verify that’s how they arrived. I did that specifically because there were color variations and differences between the racks sent so that he wouldn’t have to sort them when he received them. Cole, I’m wondering if Jers communicated this to you? I’m guessing not because the colors are mixed together in the photo you attached.
As far as photo settings, pics were taken between 6:38pm and 6:44pm on 9/28 and pics were sent via DM to Jers on the evening of 9/28 (it appears only date stamp, no time stamp on DMs). Pics were taken with standard iPhone app, no edits done. They’re still Live Photos in my camera roll, and if you do any kind of edits to a photo it removes the Live Photo so that’s proof of no edits. I’m happy to share the original Live Photos via text message to anyone who wants to verify the exif data.
I literally have all the receipts to back up everything I’ve said. Jers is the only one who’s been caught in a lie here. (Saying he threw away all the bad chips, meanwhile posting a pic showing he still has the only 5 bad chips he posted as alleged proof in the beginning.)
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Soooooo mountains of problems start from tiny little mice...got it.
Szczesnk
3 of a Kind
I would say a combination, the 25Ks weren't used much so they were more spicy, the rest definitely seasoned. It's kinda like buying a new car, as soon as it's used once it goes from snappy to spicy, a few more miles and it's seasoned.
maxim_666666
Flush
You simply misunderstood their condition. The buyer expected something better (as if there were some kind of chip-condition grading scale), but the seller never claimed they were factory-fresh. To me, the chips look perfectly fine and exactly as advertised. The best option would probably have been to shake hands and move on.
You're both upset, but from the outside it looks like two school board moms arguing over which cookies are best for committee meetings — turning it into a full-blown war.
You're both upset, but from the outside it looks like two school board moms arguing over which cookies are best for committee meetings — turning it into a full-blown war.
Franzister
Pair
I just got through this entire thread... It read like good sex with a huge buildup and multiple climaxes... Now I'm just relaxing feeling exhausted and smoking a cigarette.
I'd play poker with both hero and villain any day
I'd play poker with both hero and villain any day
TripleRangeMerger
Pair
Incredible thread, really enjoyed reading through it. Thanks to everyone for their contributions.
One other thought I had reading this - when I first joined the forum I assumed all the high rep/high post/old accounts were in cahoots, but I’m impressed and reassured seeing how disagreeable (in a productive way) so many people are with each other. I feel better transacting here having seen that.
One other thought I had reading this - when I first joined the forum I assumed all the high rep/high post/old accounts were in cahoots, but I’m impressed and reassured seeing how disagreeable (in a productive way) so many people are with each other. I feel better transacting here having seen that.
Lol caught in 4k
PepperPaul
Pair
But the real question is, who's who?I'd play poker with both hero and villain any day
Franzister
Pair
ExactlyBut the real question is, who's who?
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