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Perhaps you’ve had a recent experience such as mine. I can’t find a good place to for a public shaming post, so I’m making one. I recently purchased what was advertised as 340 MINTY Day Green Starbursts chips from @PepperPaul, specifically to have milled and to use as a simple ante chip for MTTs. I don’t host a ton of tournaments and the antes only use green chips for the first two levels, so it seemed silly to buy super expensive chips. I had advertised in the Wanted section what I was specifically after…near mint day green solids to use with the following set…all other chips are absolutely MINT, so must be near MINT or better.
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Since this wasn’t a for sale ad, I can’t even give negative feedback, so forgive the public post, but I see no other options, since the seller is ghosting me.

Here’s what he sent me as an example pic of what he was offering me.

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Sweet! A little dirty, but not too shabby.

Here’s what I got.
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These aren’t the worst of the lot. Just a random sampling. In fact, the chip on the left is among the better in quality.

I had him ship them directly to Cole to mill and since Cole didn’t know what I was expecting, he happily milled them, billed me his fee for 339 chips (that’s what arrived at Cole’s, but no biggie) and shipped them to me.

So, I’m now in possession of 339 chips not remotely fit for the set intended and that I’m not comfortable even selling in The condition they arrived at my house. I’ve spent probably 20 hours so far trying to make them playable for someone. I’ve gone through the chips one by one with my little chisel to try to get rid of any nasty bits and make them look nicer. I bought a 6L ultrasonic cleaner to do its best to help the cause. Next I’m breaking out the clamps and the 43mm ceramics (ordered specifically for these) to try to correct the warping. No telling how much time I’ll waste to make maybe 2 decent racks from the 339 chips. Too many hours already, by far. And they will never see my labels. No way are these setting next to mint TP chips.

Flash forward to my current offering to @PepperPaul I’ve tried to find a resolution that was amicable and not public, but he refuses to respond.
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That was 5 days ago. 2 days ago, I sent him a message saying essentially, just refund me $200 of what I paid you and we will call it good. I offered $450 for two Mint racks. You talked me into taking all 340 for an extra $200. I can’t make two average racks out of this trash, but refund me back to the $450 and I’ll bugger off.

Apparently integrity and reputation aren’t worth $200. That’s not even a buy-in at my game, so I don’t care about the money. Just do something to show you’re not ripping people off intentionally. Nope. So, here’s our dirty laundry. Sorry to air it out in this fashion, but this is something worth warning others about.

I’m sure there will be a few who take exception to my post and I wish I had a better idea. I don’t. I hope you aren’t faced with the options of nothing or nothing good. Those were my choices. Enjoy the $200 and all the great karma that comes with it @PepperPaul
 

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Name and shame is probably the way to go (assuming it doesn’t violate any of the site’s T&Cs), but you probably could have waited more than 5 days for @PepperPaul to respond. Maybe he intends to make good, but is dealing with some personal stuff in real life (doesn’t look like he’s logged on since the shared PM).

Not that it changes OP’s situation, but I wonder if @Captn received minty/NM chips from his auction win?
 
Might be best to seek a full refund and send back all the chips
 
This thread and negative feedback are plenty to warn everyone else. Sorry this happened.
 
It not really on you and with such an overt scammer I’d think they should eat that too.
Well, lesson learned for Cole and myself at least. He had no way of knowing I was expecting MINTY chips. Based on stuff of mine he had worked on, he said he thought it was off, but proceeded not really knowing. And he says he won’t be doing that with anyone going forward, either. So, some good has come from it. I could have quite easily asked him to verify the status of the chips before proceeding and he could have checked with me. That doesn’t let @PepperPaul off the hook, but lesson learned for sure!
 
And in the vein of full disclosure @pokercole offered me a full refund. I want to be crystal clear on this. He has beyond cool and felt awful. I simply didn’t feel right about accepting his offer, as it certainly wasn’t his fault @PepperPaul lied. We just make a minor tweak to the way we handle business moving forward and all is good.
 
Name and shame is probably the way to go (assuming it doesn’t violate any of the site’s T&Cs), but you probably could have waited more than 5 days for @PepperPaul to respond. Maybe he intends to make good, but is dealing with some personal stuff in real life (doesn’t look like he’s logged on since the shared PM).

Not that it changes OP’s situation, but I wonder if @Captn received minty/NM chips from his auction win?
I agree 5 days isn’t long. I didn’t set a time limit. He did. He said he’d get back to me on Monday, as he was tied up all weekend. It took longer to give the excuse than submit a refund, but fine. I’ll wait on his self imposed deadline. But, he missed it. And if something horrible happened in his life to explain his disappearance, I’ll feel bad. As he should for calling these MINTY and sending bogus pics. But, I agree in spirit. 5 days isn’t long. I waited 5+ weeks last time something like this happened. It never improved and I never was made whole. I hope he’s fine and if something did happen to explain this, I’ll be the first to let the forum know what a swell guy he turned out to be.
 
Seems like you were totally misled by seller. In my opinion this thread could get more traction with a better title.
Fixed and agreed. I wanted to make a post, warn people and slink away without a lot of fuss, which isn’t really possible. No way to really warn people without getting a little dirty.
 
Wow. Sorry dude. If the posted pic does not match what was sent - in my opinion - that is automatic fraud - full refund.
 
We see these threads on a near weekly basis.

Payment issues, scams, etc.

People must be so used to it, as pitchforks are gone and you’re going to need either some novel occurrence or at least $5k to get any juice here going.

Kicking the dead horse:
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If pcfers cared we’d have stopped leaving this up to Tommy and co years ago. Develop simple processes and standards. This example brings up a good one, “Unless otherwise agreed, buyers/sellers should allow for X days for parties to make it right before posting publicly”.

But new chippers don’t have the pull to get those site wide discussions going and long term chippers almost deal exclusively private so we dgaf.

Shrug.
 
Sorry this happened to you @Jers28. This is clearly a misrepresentation of the items being sold.

SN: As a seller, this is why I try not to classify chips as mint (those are not even close). I will always say good and sometimes great condition, but I'll send additional pictures. Hell, if I received chips straight out a Paulson box and put them on PCF, I'd still list them an excellent condition and offer them for my asking price.

Hope you can get this issue resolved.
 
Sorry this happened to you @Jers28. This is clearly a misrepresentation of the items being sold.

SN: As a seller, this is why I try not to classify chips as mint (those are not even close). I will always say good and sometimes great condition, but I'll send additional pictures. Hell, if I received chips straight out a Paulson box and put them on PCF, I'd still list them an excellent condition and offer them for my asking price.

Hope you can get this issue resolved.
I don’t even think he sent the chips he showed him. The ones he showed did look mint. Unless I’m mistaken.
 
I don’t even think he sent the chips he showed him. The ones he showed did look mint. Unless I’m mistaken.
Agreed. Those clearly were not the chips in the pic.

This sucks, and there’s no foolproof way to make all online transactions 100% secure (the person who can make this happen will be a very rich person), but this is also why I’m extra cautious with sellers who are on the site and they are like “pair” or worse. I’ll typically sell to those individuals, but extra careful if I buy. I’ll typically search their history try and see if they’ve put the chips in play before or something along those lines. I’d rather pay a little more from a long-standing member of the community rather than a newbie who may or may not be here just to make a quick buck or scam someone.
 
but this is also why I’m extra cautious with sellers who are on the site and they are like “pair” or worse. I’ll typically sell to those individuals, but extra careful if I buy.

That’s not an issue, just post an ad and spam it with never ending daily “bumps” :D you’ll get your proper rank.
 
You can’t prevent from this occurring given the model of trading that happens here. If you want total protection - it would be costly and require tons of time/patience. I appreciate the self-maintenance dynamic that appears with callouts and warnings.

Community has the power of not engaging bad actors - they gonna struggle here if the bozo bit is turned on. Snarky posts have helped tune my bs detector and for that i am thankful to many of you. In the end - it’s a risk - and you accept those risks when you dibs.
 
You can’t prevent from this occurring given the model of trading that happens here. If you want total protection - it would be costly and require tons of time/patience. I appreciate the self-maintenance dynamic that appears with callouts and warnings.

Community has the power of not engaging bad actors - they gonna struggle here if the bozo bit is turned on. Snarky posts have helped tune my bs detector and for that i am thankful to many of you. In the end - it’s a risk - and you accept those risks when you dibs.
Agreed. I’ve bought tens of thousands of dollars worth of chips. To lose a few hundred here and there still isn’t close to what I’d be out of pocket if we all paid an added 10% across the board to protect ourselves from things like this. And it certainly couldn’t be done for 10% additional costs. It may be closer to 25-50%. I’m more happier self governing and occasionally having to deal with a bad apple. When I spend $10k in a single transaction, which I did just this week, rest assured it’s with someone I know I can trust. I’ll throw out some small deals with unknowns to find out if they’re trustworthy or not. Not the end of the world.
 
We see these threads on a near weekly basis.

Payment issues, scams, etc.

People must be so used to it, as pitchforks are gone and you’re going to need either some novel occurrence or at least $5k to get any juice here going.

Kicking the dead horse:
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If pcfers cared we’d have stopped leaving this up to Tommy and co years ago. Develop simple processes and standards. This example brings up a good one, “Unless otherwise agreed, buyers/sellers should allow for X days for parties to make it right before posting publicly”.

But new chippers don’t have the pull to get those site wide discussions going and long term chippers almost deal exclusively private so we dgaf.

Shrug.
By no means to disrespect anyone but you can’t fix stupid. I can’t tell you how helpful the post history is here when valuing a deal - in 30 minutes of search you can smell bs when someone is trying to unload a set at 4$ a chip that really has a sub-dollar value. New chippers don’t have that intution and need to do the work. I hope long-term chippers still post and i hope new chippers reach out to them for guidance cause we all can agree we hate shit like what happened here (..at least i hope we all do).
 
Agreed. I’ve bought tens of thousands of dollars worth of chips. To lose a few hundred here and there still isn’t close to what I’d be out of pocket if we all paid an added 10% across the board to protect ourselves from things like this. And it certainly couldn’t be done for 10% additional costs. It may be closer to 25-50%. I’m more happier self governing and occasionally having to deal with a bad apple. When I spend $10k in a single transaction, which I did just this week, rest assured it’s with someone I know I can trust. I’ll throw out some small deals with unknowns to find out if they’re trustworthy or not. Not the end of the world.
Kudos to you sir. Super mature observation - if i had any chips for you i would go above and beyond to make sure it meets your comfort level.
 

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