Cash Game Breakdown for 1000 chips

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I think I might have asked this before but just could not find any info.
I need help from BGinGA and other breakdown gurus.

I had set my Colony Club breakdown in stone, but still I have started second guessing my breakdown.

Games we play are mostly NLHE, PLO, blinds from 0.25/0.25 up to 1/2. In the future maybe up to 2/4.
Mostly 0.25/0.25 or 0.25/0.50.

Sometimes we play dealer's choice so Pot-Limit Five Card Stud, Limit Seven Card Stud, Limit Razz,
Limit HE, Limit Omaha + Omaha/8 are in play. Limit games are also from 0.25/0.50 to 2/4.
Mostly 0.25/0.50 or 0.50/1

Normally we have 6 players. Sometimes less, sometimes more. But 6 is the average.

My current breakdown to be ordered is:
200 x $0.25
500 x $1
200 x $5
60 x $20
40 x $100

but I have started to think, if I should go for:
200 x $0.25
400 x $1
300 x $5
60 x $20
40 x $100

I want to go with full racks for as much as possible, so only "dirty" rack can be $20/$100 rack.

Which way to go? Thanks for the help.

-Puggy
 

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either will work just fine for 6 players. Hell, it would work well with 10 players.

When I'm trying to come up with a breakdown the first thing I do is figure out the starting stacks for the max number of players that I plan on hosting. Then I times that by 10, and add in some extra's including plenty of rebuys.

My starting stacks for a .25/.50 with an 80.00 buy in are as follows

12 x .25
17 x 1
12 x 5

At a bare minimum I'd need

120 x .25
170 x 1
120 x 5

Add in extra's for lost chips, then add either 20's or 100's for your rebuys and you should be good to go.

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either will work just fine for 6 players. Hell, it would work well with 10 players.

When I'm trying to come up with a breakdown the first thing I do is figure out the starting stacks for the max number of players that I plan on hosting. Then I times that by 10, and add in some extra's including plenty of rebuys.

My starting stacks for a .25/.50 with an 80.00 buy in are as follows

12 x .25
17 x 1
12 x 5

At a bare minimum I'd need

120 x .25
170 x 1
120 x 5

Add in extra's for lost chips, then add either 20's or 100's for your rebuys and you should be good to go.

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This is great for NL/PL games but there's more to it when trying to figure out what you need for a set that can be used for NL/PL and Limit games.

Puggy, hopefully someone with more expertise than I have can come along and help you figure something out. In the past I have found it challenging to put together a set with a fixed number of chips that can *comfortably* be used for a wide variety of games over a relatively wide range of stakes. Are you 100% limited to 1,000 chips? This is going to be an all-timer set - can you go big here? (I admit it is very easy - and fun - to spend other people's money...)
 

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I vote 3 racks of fives, since in some games they're going to be your workhorse.
 

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This is great for NL/PL games but there's more to it when trying to figure out what you need for a set that can be used for NL/PL and Limit games.

Puggy, hopefully someone with more expertise than I have can come along and help you figure something out. In the past I have found it challenging to put together a set with a fixed number of chips that can *comfortably* be used for a wide variety of games over a relatively wide range of stakes. Are you 100% limited to 1,000 chips? This is going to be an all-timer set - can you go big here? (I admit it is very easy - and fun - to spend other people's money...)

Your absolutely right. I didn't take into consideration FL games. I don't play them, and I don't host them. It didn't even cross my mind.

However, for NL and PL games my breakdown suggestion works perfect. I use a 600 chip set for a 10 player game that consists of NL and PL games and it works perfect.
 

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Puggy, hopefully someone with more expertise than I have can come along and help you figure something out. In the past I have found it challenging to put together a set with a fixed number of chips that can *comfortably* be used for a wide variety of games over a relatively wide range of stakes. Are you 100% limited to 1,000 chips? This is going to be an all-timer set - can you go big here? (I admit it is very easy - and fun - to spend other people's money...)

I'll echo what links said. Folks who play more limit will say you need another 500 $1s, folks playing more NL games like 1/2 will say you need another 500 $5s... ;)

IMHO some of it depends on how your group likes to play. I run one 25¢/25¢ NL game where we could practically use all quarters, and another where 8 quarters is more than enough and we use more dollar chips.

Will be following this thread with interest, I'm in a similar boat and am curious to see what others who play more limit games have to offer. FWIW I was looking at a breakdown similar to your first one (with 500 $1s), but my NL games tend not to play too big (usually are in the 25¢/50¢ to 50¢/$1 range) so I thought more dollars would make more sense for my group.
 

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Yepp. That 1 000 is enough for me, so I'm limited to that. I tried to manage with less, but IMO set is not a set, if it doesn't have 1 000 chips.
I like to have lots of whites on the table, but as said that fiver could be a workhorse in some games. And hopefully I will be able to get a
steady group of 8-9 people playing. But heck, I can always add-on later :)
 

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It's hard to buy an adequate 1,000 chip set for FL games with such a spread.
I'm assuming you were talking about blinds for the FL games, and not the limits (since 25¢/50¢ limits are hard to do).
You're going to need plenty of 25¢ chips for a limit game with 50¢/$1 limits, but even more $1s for $4/$8 limits.

For 50¢/$1 limits I'd recommend giving at least 40x 25¢ chips per player. That'd be at least 320x 25¢ if you're buying for 8 players.
For $4/$8 limits I'd recommend at least 60x $1 chips per player, so 480x $1. That would account for 800 chips. The rest I'd fill with $5 chips, but it'd probably leave you short for NL games.
 

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I think we are playing long time on lower limits, say 0.25/0.50 or 0.50/1 blinds (yes, blinds I meant) limit games and 0.25/0.25, 0.25/0.50 or 0.50/1 blinds.
 

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It's hard to buy an adequate 1,000 chip set for FL games with such a spread.
I'm assuming you were talking about blinds for the FL games, and not the limits (since 25¢/50¢ limits are hard to do).
You're going to need plenty of 25¢ chips for a limit game with 50¢/$1 limits, but even more $1s for $4/$8 limits.

For 50¢/$1 limits I'd recommend giving at least 40x 25¢ chips per player. That'd be at least 320x 25¢ if you're buying for 8 players.
For $4/$8 limits I'd recommend at least 60x $1 chips per player, so 480x $1. That would account for 800 chips. The rest I'd fill with $5 chips, but it'd probably leave you short for NL games.

Thanks bloody. This would lean me towards getting that orignal amount of $1's, that is 500 of them.
On top of that, I think those Colony Club $5's are better chips to add-on later, since $1's bright whites
might be difficult to add-on from CPC so, that they would mix well with the first run chips.
 

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Dave is a tourney specialist. ;)

I would definitely go with the second option (400x $1, 300x $5) With 1000 chips you're not going to be able to build a set that will cover limit games with nothing but piles of a single chip in play, as well as a wide range of no-limit stakes. 400 is still a LOT of $1s to be able to put in play on a single table, and I don't think anybody would be hurting for them in any game. You will really appreciate the extra $5s when playing 1/2+ NL.
 

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Dave is a tourney specialist. ;)

I would definitely go with the second option (400x $1, 300x $5) With 1000 chips you're not going to be able to build a set that will cover limit games with nothing but piles of a single chip in play, as well as a wide range of no-limit stakes. 400 is still a LOT of $1s to be able to put in play on a single table, and I don't think anybody would be hurting for them in any game. You will really appreciate the extra $5s when playing 1/2+ NL.

Oh, this agony. Decisions, decisions, decisions ;)
Thanks for the input.
 

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I would definitely go with the second option (400x $1, 300x $5) With 1000 chips you're not going to be able to build a set that will cover limit games with nothing but piles of a single chip in play, as well as a wide range of no-limit stakes. 400 is still a LOT of $1s to be able to put in play on a single table, and I don't think anybody would be hurting for them in any game. You will really appreciate the extra $5s when playing 1/2+ NL.

my exact thoughts.
 

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First, a few assumptions:
1. Your game plays smaller (i.e., more sane) than the MA/NH games (where $1000+ pots are not uncommon for 25c/50c games).
2. Players buy into NL/PL games for 100 big blinds, and buy into Limit games for 50 big bets.
3. Cash plays (either $20 for small stakes or $100 bills for larger stakes, depending on the game). We will factor in large denom chips later to eliminate this variable.

Based on the above assumptions, here are the minimum chip numbers I'd recommend for 8 players in each of the four basic cash game groups you identified:

NLHE/PLO: 25c/50c blinds
$50 (100BB) = 12/17/6 buy-ins, 12 x 0/10/8 reloads
96 x 25c
256 x $1
144 x $5
---
496 chips, $1000 bank

NLHE/PLO: 1/2 blinds
$200 (100BB) = 0/20/16/5 buy-ins, 12 x 0/0/8/8 reloads
160 x $1
224 x $5
136 x $20
---
520 chips, $4000 bank

Limit games: 50c/$1 bets
$25 (50BB) = 40/15/0 buy-ins, 12 x 0/10/3 reloads
320 x 25c
240 x $1
36 x $5
---
596 chips, $500 bank

Limit games: 1/2 bets
$100 (50BB) = 12/37/12 buy-ins, 12 x 0/0/8/3 reloads
96 x 25c
296 x $1
192 x $5
36 x $20
---
620 chips, $2000 bank


Combining chip requirements of all the above (rounding up/down to even racks), we get:

300 x 25c
300 x $1
200 x $5
100 x $20
---
900 chips, $3375 bank

Add in 100 x $100 chips and you get 1000 chips totaling $13,375 bank.



Even though calculated for 8 players (vs 6), remember that those are minimum numbers.... if your games play really large, you probably want at least 400-500 $1's and 400-500 $5's, and those numbers would also be better for 2/4 limit games (or bigger) or if the number of players increases.

So, adding another 500 chips would generate this:

300 x 25c
500 x $1
500 x $5
100 x $20
100 x $100
---
1500 chips, $15,075 bank

You can always add-on later. :)
 
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NLHE/PLO: 1/2 blinds
$200 (100BB) = 12/17/16/5 buy-ins, 12 x 0/0/8/8 reloads
96 x 25c
136 x $1
224 x $5
136 x $20
---
592 chips, $4000 bank

why use quarters in a $1/2 NL/PLO game?
 

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'cuz i wuz in a hurry :p



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Dave has spoken!

But still ... In all my years of hosting single-table games from .25/.50 up, I've found that the essentials are: 200 quarters, at least 300 $1s, at least 300 $5s, a rack of $20s or $25s, and some hundos or plaques (just in case).

IMO, anything over the base 200/300/300 is just up to your personal preferences. More $1s for small limit games; more $5s for cash games.
 

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similar situation for my limits and potential games.

heres the breakdown I got

200 x 25c
300 x $1
400 x $5
100 x $20

Cash will play for $100s if necessary
 

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Oh yes, I guess I got all the information I needed. Thanks BG and everyone of my awesome fellow chippers.
I will try to get my players go for minimum of 1/2 for limit games and we most likely stick in .25/.50 or .50/1 in PLO/NL games.
i will try to raise the stakes little by little.

"Combining chip requirements of all the above (rounding up/down to even racks), we get:
300 x 25c
300 x $1
200 x $5
100 x $20
---
900 chips, $3375 bank
Add in 100 x $100 chips and you get 1000 chips totaling $13,375 bank.
"

With this said, I will excel the following choices comparing them to my budget:
300 x 25c
300 x $1
200 x $5
100 x $20
100 x $100


alongside with:
200 x 25c
400 x $1
200 x $5
100 x $20
100 x $100


and
200 x 25c
400 x $1
300 x $5
60 x $20
40 x $100


Oh, how I would like to get all full racks. And especially full rack of them hundos.
But as said, I can always add-on later... ;)

Huge thanks
 

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Methinks I go with the middle option:



That way I can manage best IMO. Bank is large enough. And I get a full rack of hundos :)
 

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Puggy, one more comment if it's okay: IF you're really considering moving your limit games to 1&2 bets and you're using the 25¢ only for blinds in L, NL and PL, I find one rack per table is sufficient... You could then go with 100 25¢ and add a rack of $1s or $5s depending on your preference... Just another option...
 

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Puggy, one more comment if it's okay: IF you're really considering moving your limit games to 1&2 bets and you're using the 25¢ only for blinds in L, NL and PL, I find one rack per table is sufficient... You could then go with 100 25¢ and add a rack of $1s or $5s depending on your preference... Just another option...

Yeh, I might do so, but I looooove those quarterpies too much. Have to have two racks ;)
 

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I see 1600 total chips in your future. :D
 
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