Anyone move back to an iPhone 5s (or SE) after using a 6 or 6+? (3 Viewers)

[dew4au]

Apple apologists who are pointing to Apples trailblazing efforts with the CD ROM in the MacBook Air are overlooking several things:

1. CD ROM was already on the decline when Apple made the decision. Not the case with the 3.5 mm Jack.
2. There were many, easier, open alternatives to CD ROM at the time. You are now left with a closed system or Bluetooth.
3. The 3.5 mm jack has been around since the 60's and is without a doubt the most widely adopted personal electronic standard.

There's also the Bluetooth sound quality issue, and the lightning adapter dangle, but those are obvious faults.

 

[k9dr]

Although the 7plus is supposed to have a faster processor and dual cameras too

 

[bentax1978]

Admittedly, but also as an ear-haver and a sound-enjoyer.

You sound very entitled with all this talk about ear having and sound enjoying. I bet you're one of those people with multiple ears.

 

[jbutler]

Apple apologists who are pointing to Apples trailblazing efforts with the CD ROM in the MacBook Air are overlooking several things:

1. CD ROM was already on the decline when Apple made the decision. Not the case with the 3.5 mm Jack.
2. There were many, easier, open alternatives to CD ROM at the time. You are now left with a closed system or Bluetooth.
3. The 3.5 mm jack has been around since the 60's and is without a doubt the most widely adopted personal electronic standard.

There's also the Bluetooth sound quality issue, and the lightning adapter dangle, but those are obvious faults.

Agreed. There's no excuse and no comparison. It's just a boneheaded decision.

You sound very entitled with all this talk about ear having and sound enjoying. I bet you're one of those people with multiple ears.

I make no apologies for my ear privilege.

 

[bentax1978]

Apple apologists who are pointing to Apples trailblazing efforts with the CD ROM in the MacBook Air are overlooking several things:

1. CD ROM was already on the decline when Apple made the decision. Not the case with the 3.5 mm Jack.
2. There were many, easier, open alternatives to CD ROM at the time. You are now left with a closed system or Bluetooth.
3. The 3.5 mm jack has been around since the 60's and is without a doubt the most widely adopted personal electronic standard.

There's also the Bluetooth sound quality issue, and the lightning adapter dangle, but those are obvious faults.

Joking about Jack's name and number of ears aside, I agree with what you wrote.

I'll be the first to admit that I was planning on getting an iPhone 7 regardless of whether they dropped the 3.5mm jack or not, so the omission had no impact on my decision. That said, I also question to wisdom (at least short-medium term) of doing so.

 

[bentax1978]

Although the 7plus is supposed to have a faster processor and dual cameras too

7plus has 3GB vs 2GB of RAM, not sure about a faster processor (it might, I wasn't paying that much attention).

Dual cameras lenses is nice as well, just a matter of whether I can put up with the larger form factor.

 

[jbutler]

I'll be the first to admit that I was planning on getting an iPhone 7 regardless of whether they dropped the 3.5mm jack or not, so the omission had no impact on my decision. That said, I also question to wisdom (at least short-medium term) of doing so.

The thing is, there's no real need to make any long-term (or medium-term actually) judgment on the viability of the 3.5mm jack. No one will be using this phone "long-term" so the only consideration should be what is needed and used now.

The longest time Apple should be considering people using this phone is 3, maybe 4 years. If they think the 3.5mm jack is going to be a relic of the past in that time they're insane. And Bluetooth is such a joke for any audiophile. Yes, it's convenient in a lot of contexts, but if anyone wants to listen to anything in true quality audio, you have to plug in. Requiring an adapter for what will for many be a daily use is mindblowingly dumb.

 

[bentax1978]

The thing is, there's no real need to make any long-term (or medium-term actually) judgment on the viability of the 3.5mm jack. No one will be using this phone "long-term" so the only consideration should be what is needed and used now.

The longest time Apple should be considering people using this phone is 3, maybe 4 years. If they think the 3.5mm jack is going to be a relic of the past in that time they're insane. And Bluetooth is such a joke for any audiophile. Yes, it's convenient in a lot of contexts, but if anyone wants to listen to anything in true quality audio, you have to plug in. Requiring an adapter for what will for many be a daily use is mindblowingly dumb.

Perhaps using the phrase "short-medium term" wasn't the best choice of words. Obviously the phones themselves are on very short life cycles (2-3 years, 4 years tops) before they're pretty much relics themselves. What I meant was that I didn't see the wisdom in replacing the 3.5mm jack in the short-medium terms. I think we are on the same page on this one, despite your superior ear count.

 

[Ben]

Requiring an adapter for what will for many be a daily use is mindblowingly dumb.

If I couldn't have a headphone jack, I literally would be better off with a 2008-model Blackberry. PHUUUUCK that.

Between that and the (potential) downgrade in connectivity (most important factor by 1000x,) I guess I'm going to find out if an iPhone 6s can last for 20 years...

 

[jbutler]

I guess the obvious answer is that companies will start selling headphones with Apple-compatible jacks, but all that does is guarantee that I can't use those headphones with any other device without an adapter.

I'll definitely be holding off on upgrading from the 6s for as long as reasonably possible.

 

[manamongkids]

Just looked at the unveiled details of the new iPhone. LO fucking L that it is progress in any respect to remove the headphone jack. I love my iPhone and I can't imagine jumping ship to Android, but it's more than mildly insulting that Apple expects us to believe that this model warrants movement from iPhone 6 to iPhone 7.

I guess joke's on me, though, since I still have an iPhone and will continue to buy them.

jokes on me, im an apple loyalist, and just bought expensive bose headphones (with a JACK). eff me

 

[jbutler]

jokes on me, im an apple loyalist, and just bought expensive bose headphones (with a JACK). eff me

If they're the latest Quiet Comfort model I might be a buyer if you're looking to upgrade to the 7 and don't want to hold onto the Bose.

 

[manamongkids]

If they're the latest Quiet Comfort model I might be a buyer if you're looking to upgrade to the 7 and don't want to hold onto the Bose.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0117RFZ40/ref=twister_B0154RZUH6?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

these in the blue color i believe

 

[jbutler]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0117RFZ40/ref=twister_B0154RZUH6?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

these in the blue color i believe

Ah, gotcha. Nice, but no thanks - I'm looking to upgrade my old noise-canceling set.

 

[manamongkids]

Ah, gotcha. Nice, but no thanks - I'm looking to upgrade my old noise-canceling set.

if you sing out loud, it cancels out everything, old singing trick

 

[jbutler]

if you sing out loud, it cancels out everything, old singing trick

#headphonehack

 

[kirchhausen]

As has been rumored all year, the iPhone 7 line does not have a standard 3.5mm headphone jack. In its place is a second speaker, giving the phone stereo sound, and Apple has developed a set of EarPods with a Lightning connector that will be included with the phone. Additionally, an adapter comes in the box so you can still use 3.5mm headphones with the device.

 

[jbutler]

As has been rumored all year, the iPhone 7 line does not have a standard 3.5mm headphone jack. In its place is a second speaker, giving the phone stereo sound, and Apple has developed a set of EarPods with a Lightning connector that will be included with the phone. Additionally, an adapter comes in the box so you can still use 3.5mm headphones with the device.

Despite your persuasive use of bold font, I am unmoved.

 

[David O]

Unless you use multiple headsets the dongle should not be a problem. Just leave it connected to your headphones. I am wondering if there will be any sound quality issues with the dongle or if it will have the same sound as the old 3.5mm jack.
I guess with the bigger storage I can now increase the number of songs I have on my phone!

 

[bentax1978]

As has been rumored all year, the iPhone 7 line does not have a standard 3.5mm headphone jack. In its place is a second speaker, giving the phone stereo sound, and Apple has developed a set of EarPods with a Lightning connector that will be included with the phone. Additionally, an adapter comes in the box so you can still use 3.5mm headphones with the device.

Despite your persuasive use of bold font, I am unmoved.

Would it help to bordizzle it up a little?

 

[jbutler]

Unless you use multiple headsets the dongle should not be a problem. Just leave it connected to your headphones. I am wondering if there will be any sound quality issues with the dongle or if it will have the same sound as the old 3.5mm jack.

Unfortunately for me, I do. Also concerned with sound quality issues, but there's a reasonable chance there will be none, so my primary concern is having to keep track of the dongle moving among several sets of headphones.

 

[jbutler]

Hamilton Nolan has a pretty biting article here that seems designed to appeal directly to @Chicken Rob.

If I invested that money each year for the next 20 years at a modest 5% rate of return I’d have myself enough money to buy a new jet ski for me and one for my cousin, too. Instead, I have a phone that sends text messages in blue rather than green.

Is an iPhone more fun than two jet skis? Don’t answer that question—for your own sake.

 

[David O]

Unfortunately for me, I do. Also concerned with sound quality issues, but there's a reasonable chance there will be none, so my primary concern is having to keep track of the dongle moving among several sets of headphones.

If there is no degradation of sound I will probably upgrade. If I do then I will probably end up with a dongle connected to each set of headphones, much like my charging cables. I think I have at least 6 of those left in various places. I tend to put one in each place I charge my phone throughout the day. I hate moving cords around!!! Funny how we become creatures of habit.

 

[David O]

$9 per dongle and $159 for bluetooth apple headphones.

 

[abby99]

Apple continues to be ahead of the pack, eliminating features that people still use.

It seems to me that replacing a built-in jack with a dongle is a step backwards. But what do I know? -- I'm an android and PC fan.

 

[gopherblue]

7plus has 3GB vs 2GB of RAM, not sure about a faster processor (it might, I wasn't paying that much attention).

Dual cameras lenses is nice as well, just a matter of whether I can put up with the larger form factor.

I have the larger one (a 6 Plus) and I love it. Only really an issue when trying to use it one-handed. Fits in my jacket pocket or front pants pocket. The bigger screen is niiiiiiice. The better camera is also the bees knees.

 

[David O]

Glad you added the last two sentences. This is what I read

I have the larger one and I love it. Only really an issue when trying to use it one-handed. Fits in my jacket pocket or front pants pocket. .

 

[gopherblue]

Apple continues to be ahead of the pack, eliminating features that people still use.

It seems to me that replacing a built-in jack with a dongle is a step backwards. But what do I know? -- I'm an android and PC fan.

I think the real reason isn't to be non-conformist or to piss off endusers, but that the 3.5mm jack took up a LOT of space in the phone, and was THE limiting factor in making phones thinner.

I buy the first argument, but frankly, I think phones are thin enough. On the first point, the jack served no purpose other than headphones and was wasted space that could be provisioned to other uses, like more battery. Frankly, having one connector that can also be used for the headphones is far more efficient.

 

[jbutler]

I think the real reason isn't to be non-conformist or to piss off endusers, but that the 3.5mm jack took up a LOT of space in the phone, and was THE limiting factor in making phones thinner.

I buy the first argument, but frankly, I think phones are thin enough. On the first point, the jack served no purpose other than headphones and was wasted space that could be provisioned to other uses, like more battery. Frankly, having one connector that can also be used for the headphones is far more efficient.

Except the widths of the 6S and the 7 are both 7.1mm. Sad!

As far as having only one port being more efficient, I guess that's true presuming you never need to charge and use headphones at the same time which in my case is definitely not true.

 

[gopherblue]

Except the widths of the 6S and the 7 are both 7.1mm.

Sad!

As far as having only one port being more efficient, I guess that's true presuming you never need to charge and use headphones at the same time.

There was no plan to make the 7 thinner, but the next gen phone will have a totally redesigned case, and the plan is to make it thinner. Apple was ready to remove the headphone jack now, though, and even though they didn't make the phone thinner, they gained that space (not an insignificant percentage of the total volume) for other things, such as an additional speaker and more battery.

Glad!