Would never fly for @detroitdad who would be obligated to bet "pot, motherfucker."
So... say it's .25/.50 with you and Villain having $200 stacks. You open to $3 with AA, V makes it $10, you repop to $25 and V bumps it to $60 you are stuck calling? That just doesn't make sense
What Dave saidWith that action, it would be heads-up.
If it's heads-up, you can raise.
Only if the betting round started heads-up.
Only if the betting round started heads-up.
Or even worse...
You open UTG for $3
V1 makes it $6
V2 makes it $10
V3 on the button makes it $20
Now you can only call for 10% of your stack and out of position against three other players with AA?
We play this rule at our NLHE micro game, as well. It has value.
It's still No-Limit because the bets have no upper bound, but we're controlling how many times a tiny bump can go back and forth.
They are doing it because they are having fun. If they want to play bad why do you have to be the fun police? It's a cash game. There is no clock. Find something important to get irritated about.
Bottom line is it affects the game play. If I am on the button with suited connectors or a small pocket pair and there has been 3 raises already then I min raise every time in your game to cap the betting and guarantee I see the flop for that price. If I can do that with no fear of someone behind me being permitted to get in a big raise then it 100% changes the game play and is a dumb rule. It is totally unfair to any player putting in one of the first 3 raises to not have control of the betting when it gets back to him and be forced to only call.
I hear you and I'd like to agree with you 100%, but the truth is those ticky tacky min raises, one after another, tilt me as much as anything. Maybe I need to take up meditation or something.They are doing it because they are having fun. If they want to play bad why do you have to be the fun police? It's a cash game. There is no clock. Find something important to get irritated about.
Duly noted.those ticky tacky min raises, one after another, tilt me as much as anything.
You know there's a guy who plays with us online who routinely minraises into ANY pot. I don't understand it. I don't think he does either.Duly noted.
This is what is posted at my house, which covers the top 20 common items and refers to RROP for the remainder. Might be useful.
If this rule is necessary in a NL or PL game to limit the number of small raises, perhaps you should switch to a limit game. It seems your players may be more suited for that.
This is what is posted at my house, which covers the top 20 common items and refers to RROP for the remainder. Might be useful.
Please respect the players, the house, and the game. Failure to do so or to follow these rules will result in your ejection and exclusion from future events.
- This game is for fun, not about money. Only play with what you can afford to lose.
- All chips must be purchased from the house. The rebuy is capped at the initial buy-in, or half the big stack in play. Amounts less than a dollar are rounded down at cash-out.
- In cash games, you may not remove any portion of your buy-in or winnings from the table.
- Higher denomination chips must be easily viewable by everyone at the table (i.e., in front / on top).
- Protect your hand at all times (e.g., use a card protector). This includes not folding your hand until the dealer awards the pot to a specific player at showdown.
- One player to a hand. No sharing live or folded hands, and don’t dig in the muck. Refrain from comments on a hand in play. You may discuss a hand only if you are heads-up with only one player.
- Don’t splash the pot. Players should keep bets in front of them until the end of action for that round of betting. Change will be made at the end of action, then chips will be pushed into the pot.
- For split pots, players should confirm payouts from the dealer before chips are taken from any side pots or main pot. Put chips in the pot, then do the split. Avoid doing splitting math in your head.
- If you throw a single chip into the pot without first announcing a raise, then you have called. Change should be made at the end of the action for any round of betting.
- Please act in turn, as Folding, Checking, or Betting out of turn can affect the other players in the hand. 4 bet max (i.e., Bet—Raise—ReRaise—Cap) unless players are heads-up prior to the beginning of a betting round, in which case the number of bets is uncapped.
- Verbal bets are binding, and no string betting. Any verbal bet starting with “I see/call your bet, and XXX” is a call. If you want to raise, start with “Raise”. A single forward motion of chips in the pot is binding. Cut your chips before moving a stack toward the pot, else you are betting the stack.
- Out-of-turn action is binding, unless a player sitting before that action changes it with a bet or raise. A "call" or “raise” may be ruled not binding if it is obvious that the player grossly misunderstood the amount wagered (e.g., did not notice a raise, or mis-heard a raise amount). The player may withdraw the wager and reconsider the action, provided that no one else has subsequently acted.
- Cards speak. The pot will be awarded to the best shown hand, even if a player misreads the hand.
- If you show one person your cards, you must show all at end of play. This includes shown folds.
- Shuffle behind the button. Someone who didn’t shuffle the deck must always cut the deck with a single hand. Keep all cards on the table, and in view of all players at all times. If you notice a damaged or unusual card, please call the house for replacement.
- Don’t pre-deal hands, as the burn cards protect the players. Don’t rearrange cards or announce possible hands. Keep the Flop, Turn, and River in order, so players can reconstruct the hand.
- The clock may be called on any player who has taken more than 2 minutes to make a decision. The host will give the player an additional 2 minutes to announce/make a decision, else their hand is folded. Please avoid slow play. Repeated delaying of the game is not allowed.
- If the house provides food/drink, throwing in a few bucks to help is appreciated. There is no rake.
- No smoking inside, take it outside and use a can for an ashtray. Keep it legal.
- If any situation outside of these limited rules arises, Robert’s Rules of Poker will be used to make a decision. A copy is kept on site, and house interpretations / decisions / exceptions that are made to preserve the best interests of the game are final. If the house is involved in a dispute, a non-partisan party will be chosen to make a ruling (ideally announced in advance).
So as a follow up. I copied this and made some very minor tweaks then had Staples print it out for me on 18x24 heavy paper. Actually hung it on the wall in my man cave. Had a two table game Saturday night and was surprised to see most guys at least taking a look at it when they came in and 100% said it was a great idea even though we haven't had any major issues in the past. So thanks again for posting. Turned out to be very helpful!
So as a follow up. I copied this and made some very minor tweaks then had Staples print it out for me on 18x24 heavy paper. Actually hung it on the wall in my man cave. Had a two table game Saturday night and was surprised to see most guys at least taking a look at it when they came in and 100% said it was a great idea even though we haven't had any major issues in the past. So thanks again for posting. Turned out to be very helpful!
You're right in that we don't know what your game is like, we only know what you've written which suggests the rule was put in place because it's a regular thing.LOL at you having anything resembling a clue as to what our game is like, or what the players are suited for...
Most nights, the 4-raise rule doesn't come into play at all, and you wouldn't even know it existed.
Would you mind posting the tweaks? (your version)? I was thinking of tweaking it myself.
LOL at you having anything resembling a clue as to what our game is like, or what the players are suited for...
Most nights, the 4-raise rule doesn't come into play at all, and you wouldn't even know it existed.
There's a strong argument to be made that if your table is putting in a fifth raise with any sort of frequency when multi-way, then the players must be crap at NL poker - they're either slowplaying every goddamn hand and immediately raising back, or just wildly raising and bluffing and gambooling.
I would have thought that specifically creating a rule that prevents this type of action meant preventing it was a bigger concern for you than the significant impact the rule has on game play because it happened with frequency.