Tourney 4 table Tourney Structure (1 Viewer)

[WhiteMamba1646]

I will be hosting a decent size tourney this month and have been guided by a few people on how to do it. I want to post the set up i have and the blind structure here to see if there is any other suggestions on what can make it even better. Let me know your thoughts!

players - up to 40 / 10 per table

Starting Stack - 5K
Rebuy's - 5K ( unlimited rebuys for the first 5 blind levels)
Add-on - 3K (at the end of the 5th blind level)

Chips -
T25 - 425
T100 - 475
T500 - 350
T1K - 300
T5K - 100
T10K - 50

Starting Chips - T25 (12) T100 (7) T500 (4) T1000 (2)

Blind Structure

25/50 20 min.
50/100 20 min.
75/150 20 min.
100/200 20 min.
100/200 20 min. BBA 200

20 minute break - Last call for Re buy's and Add-on option - Chip up T25 chips.

200/400 20 min. BBA 400
300/600 20 min. BBA 600
400/800 20 min. BBA 800
500/1000 20 min. BBA 1000

20 minute break - Chip up T100 chips

600/1200 20 min. BBA 1200
800/1600 20 min. BBA 1600
1000/2000 20 min. BBA 2000
2000/4000 20 min. BBA 4000

15 minute break if tournament is still going. Chip up T500

4000/8000 20 min. BBA 8000
6000/12000 20 min. BBA 12000
8000/16000 20 min. BBA 16000

 

[DoubleEagle]

I like your blind structure. I use the same exact one, except sometimes we start at 25/25 and add a 150/300. Love the BBA!

 

[JustinInMN]

Think you have plenty of chips for this. I might bump the T100 to 12 as well. Do 12/12/5/1 or 12/12/3/2 for starting stacks.

Where you have the second break coloring up T100 is an issue if you intend to play 600-1200 and 800-1600 after.

I might just drop the 500-1000 level and delay the color up until after 800-1600.

That gives you 5 levels-break-5 levels-break.

After this I might also squeeze in a 1500-3000 before 2000-4000 to avoid that late double.

If you opt to have a color up T500 break I would just make it 5 minutes, it's the shortest color up .

Otherwise looks good

 

[DoubleEagle]

For starting chips, I would use 8/8/4/2. Also, with that many people I would also offer an early arrival bonus of T1000 if there at least 15 min early. Works amazingly well getting people there on time.

 

[JustinInMN]

For starting chips, I would use 8/8/4/2. Also, with that many people I would also offer an early arrival bonus of $1,000 if there at least 15 min early. Works amazingly well getting people there on time.

You either meant T1000 or you are super generous about punctuality

 

[WhiteMamba1646]

Think you have plenty of chips for this. I might bump the T100 to 12 as well. Do 12/12/5/1 or 12/12/3/2 for starting stacks.

Where you have the second break coloring up T100 is an issue if you intend to play 600-1200 and 800-1600 after.

I might just drop the 500-1000 level and delay the color up until after 800-1600.

That gives you 5 levels-break-5 levels-break.

After this I might also squeeze in a 1500-3000 before 2000-4000 to avoid that late double.

If you opt to have a color up T500 break I would just make it 5 minutes, it's the shortest color up .

Otherwise looks good

i ment to put in chip up MOST 100 since they still will be needed . and the reason for the 12/7/4/2 is because i have Chip tubes that fit 25 chips perfectly haha so didnt want to make it more or i would do the 12/12/5/1. i guess i can always get bigger tubes. lol

 

[DoubleEagle]

You either meant T1000 or you are super generous about punctuality

T1000

 

[WhiteMamba1646]

For starting chips, I would use 8/8/4/2. Also, with that many people I would also offer an early arrival bonus of $1,000 if there at least 15 min early. Works amazingly well getting people there on time.

yea we have a checkin from 4pm to 530 pm cards fly at 6pm. I have posted anyone who shows up by 430 to check in will get an additional 500 in chips.

 

[WhiteMamba1646]

these are the poker tubes lol

 

[JustinInMN]

i ment to put in chip up MOST 100 since they still will be needed . and the reason for the 12/7/4/2 is because i have Chip tubes that fit 25 chips perfectly haha so didnt want to make it more or i would do the 12/12/5/1. i guess i can always get bigger tubes. lol

Well using chip tubes makes sense and they look nice. These technically are not for chips, but I have some and they seem to work well.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/starting-stack-tubes.30811/#post-566631


I would still suggest it's better to just do one color up of the T100 and shift the break to accommodate that.

But we could use more chip pics

 

[WhiteMamba1646]

yea that sounds better. Thank you for the input!

 

[BGinGA]

I'm not a fan of the structure at all. Too many 100% jumps, and the effective increases from level to level are all over the map, ranging from 100% down to only 20%, with no apparent reasoning:

lvl sb bb bba incr
L1 25 50 0 0
L2 50 100 0 100%
L3 75 150 0 50%
L4 100 200 0 33%
L5 100 200 200 67%
L6 200 400 400 100%
L7 300 600 600 50%
L8 400 800 800 33%
L9 500 1000 1000 25%
L10 600 1200 1200 20%
L11 800 1600 1600 33%
L12 1000 2000 2000 25%
L13 2000 4000 4000 100%
L14 4000 8000 8000 100%
L15 6000 12000 12000 50%
L16 8000 16000 16000 33%

The tournament will probably last no longer than 5-1/2 hours with breaks (L15), but the last 40-60 minutes is going to be a short-stack shove-fest as players find their stacks decimated by the blinds doubling every level.

I also dislike the huge increase at the end of the re-buy period after add-ons are offered. A player with a 25 big blind stack (T5000) buys a T3000 add-on to pad it up to 40bb, and when play resumes, finds that he really only has 20 big blinds since the blinds increased by 100%. That's nuts.

 

[WhiteMamba1646]

I'm not a fan of the structure at all. Too many 100% jumps, and the effective increases from level to level are all over the map, ranging from 100% down to only 20%, with no apparent reasoning:

lvl sb bb bba incr
L1 25 50 0 0
L2 50 100 0 100%
L3 75 150 0 50%
L4 100 200 0 33%
L5 100 200 200 67%
L6 200 400 400 100%
L7 300 600 600 50%
L8 400 800 800 33%
L9 500 1000 1000 25%
L10 600 1200 1200 20%
L11 800 1600 1600 33%
L12 1000 2000 2000 25%
L13 2000 4000 4000 100%
L14 4000 8000 8000 100%
L15 6000 12000 12000 50%
L16 8000 16000 16000 33%

The tournament will probably last no longer than 5-1/2 hours with breaks (L15), but the last 40-60 minutes is going to be a short-stack shove-fest as players find their stacks decimated by the blinds doubling every level.

I also dislike the huge increase at the end of the re-buy period after add-ons are offered. A player with a 25 big blind stack (T5000) buys a T3000 add-on to pad it up to 40bb, and when play resumes, finds that he really only has 20 big blinds since the blinds increased by 100%. That's nuts.

Interesting response.. I will bring it up with the guys who helped me set it up. They dealt the final table at the WSOP and that's what they came up with. Ill see what they say. Thank you for your input.

 

[SixSpeedFury]

They don't call Dave a tourney director for a reason

 

[DoubleEagle]

I'm not a fan of the structure at all. Too many 100% jumps, and the effective increases from level to level are all over the map, ranging from 100% down to only 20%, with no apparent reasoning:

lvl sb bb bba incr
L1 25 50 0 0
L2 50 100 0 100%
L3 75 150 0 50%
L4 100 200 0 33%
L5 100 200 200 67%
L6 200 400 400 100%
L7 300 600 600 50%
L8 400 800 800 33%
L9 500 1000 1000 25%
L10 600 1200 1200 20%
L11 800 1600 1600 33%
L12 1000 2000 2000 25%
L13 2000 4000 4000 100%
L14 4000 8000 8000 100%
L15 6000 12000 12000 50%
L16 8000 16000 16000 33%

The tournament will probably last no longer than 5-1/2 hours with breaks (L15), but the last 40-60 minutes is going to be a short-stack shove-fest as players find their stacks decimated by the blinds doubling every level.

I also dislike the huge increase at the end of the re-buy period after add-ons are offered. A player with a 25 big blind stack (T5000) buys a T3000 add-on to pad it up to 40bb, and when play resumes, finds that he really only has 20 big blinds since the blinds increased by 100%. That's nuts.

Why am I not surprised. Always has a better solution.

 

[BGinGA]

Read it again. Didn't offer a solution -- merely pointed out the percentage increases in his structure. And get off my back.

 

[WhiteMamba1646]

so the reasoning behind the blind structure is to try and get the tournament done between 4 1/2 to 5 1/2 hours so its not running into the middle of the night. Thats why the levels are 20 minutes and BBA is inserted to get the action in quick. but im going to add the 150/300 in their like suggested. Thank you guys!

 

[WhiteMamba1646]

Got the first place trophy in the mail yesterday too!

 

[Mojo1312]

Interesting response.. I will bring it up with the guys who helped me set it up. They dealt the final table at the WSOP and that's what they came up with. Ill see what they say. Thank you for your input.

You don't need to sell me on the veracity of your claim. The structure betrays their incompetence in this area, although i am sure they can deal cards just fine.

Good luck!

 

[WhiteMamba1646]

You don't need to sell me on the veracity of your claim. The structure betrays their incompetence in this area, although i am sure they can deal cards just fine.

Good luck!

Thanks for your advice and comment bud. Greatly appreciated

 

[Mojo1312]

Thanks for your advice and comment bud. Greatly appreciated

None given. Why bother?

 

[WhiteMamba1646]

None given. Why bother?

Lol thats exactly my point. The post was to get feedback on how i can maybe make it better. Wasnt ment for a bash fest, with no solution. If you had solution to back it up i got no problem with that. I was looking to get some assistance.

 

[Mojo1312]

Lol thats exactly my point. The post was to get feedback on how i can maybe make it better. Wasnt ment for a bash fest, with no solution. If you had solution to back it up i got no problem with that. I was looking to get some assistance.

Point taken.

What is your desired end time? Recreational players with limited experience who want to have fun or seasoned players who are more skilled at the game? How many players (roughly) do you expect to have? Is 30 a realistic number or are you likely to fill all the seats?

 

[WhiteMamba1646]

So we are starting at 6pm and would like to end before midnight. We have a handful of skilled players and 2 pros with the remaining all recreational players. We have 29 confirmed with 15 maybes so far so probably roughly 34-36 will show, we have enough chips to support 44 starting stacks with rebuys and color ups. We will have 5 tables but most likely will only use 4 ( id like 9 per table since we will have dealers at each as well)

 

[Mojo1312]

Immediate thoughts:

Run two-two table tournaments simultaneously.
Have two decks in play at each table.
Drop the antes if you are hosting to recreational players.

Adjust the levels so players are receiving more than 25BB's on their re-buys and 7.5 BB's for an add-on.

Edit: Written before I viewed your last post.

 

[Mojo1312]

Considering the mix of players, hosting two separate tournaments may be the best solution. One with a higher buy-in.

How to revise the structure is dependent upon whether or not you like that idea.

 

[WhiteMamba1646]

I wont be able to change this tourney structure as its going to go down next week and people have read the rules and set up but i do like the idea of increasing the add on or add more low level blinds after rebuys happen. I just realized with the BBA its only 7.5. Thank you for the input! I will definitely tweek a bit to the structure. Im adding a 150/300 in there before the break. And removing BBA for the 100/200 and 200/400 n start the ante maybe after that.

 

[BGinGA]

I will be hosting a decent size tourney this month and have been guided by a few people on how to do it. I want to post the set up i have and the blind structure here to see if there is any other suggestions on what can make it even better. Let me know your thoughts!

players - up to 40 / 10 per table

Starting Stack - 5K
Rebuy's - 5K ( unlimited rebuys for the first 5 blind levels)
Add-on - 3K (at the end of the 5th blind level)

Chips -
T25 - 425
T100 - 475
T500 - 350
T1K - 300
T5K - 100
T10K - 50

Starting Chips - T25 (12) T100 (7) T500 (4) T1000 (2)

The post was to get feedback on how i can maybe make it better. Wasnt ment for a bash fest, with no solution. If you had solution to back it up i got no problem with that. I was looking to get some assistance.

starting at 6pm and would like to end before midnight
roughly 34-36 will show
enough chips to support 44 starting stacks with rebuys and color ups

I wont be able to change this tourney structure as its going to go down next week and people have read the rules and set up

Okay, I'm a bit confused. You want suggestions on how to make it better (Thursday), but are unable to change the structure (Friday). What's the point of asking?

In any case, I did notice these issues:

40 players at 12 x T25 chips per starting stack (12/7/4/2) equals more T25 chips than you have in your set (you need 480, you have 425). Given the conditions stated, your best option for T5000 starting stacks is 8/8/4/2.

You have 300 x T1000 chips. The 40 starting stacks will require 80 of those, and to color-up the T25 and T100 chips, you will need up to 55 x T1000. Reserving another 120 x T1000 for the T3000 add-on brings your total to 240, leaving 45 x T1000 chips available for re-buys.

Not advisable to use T5000 chips for initial re-buys, as there won't be enough chips on the table for players to get change.

With 40 x 8/8/4/2 starting stacks, you have enough extra chips for 30 initial re-buy stacks of 5xT100 5xT500 1xT1000., plus another 3 re-buy stacks of 5 x T1000. Once all of those chips are in play, there should be enough change on the tables to use T5000 chips for any further re-buys if necessary. After reserving up to 31 x T5000 for T500 color-ups, you will have enough T5000 chips remaining for another 29 re-buys, or a grand total of 62 re-buys (30+3+29).

And, at the risk of offending the DE posting monitors, here's a T25-base T5000 structure with BBA (not advised, but do what you want) for 40 players that finishes in well under six hours with 20-minute levels and breaks, with consistent blind/ante increases averaging 47% and none over 56%:

lvl sb bb bba incr
L1 25 50 0 0
L2 50 100 0 100%
L3 75 150 0 50%
L4 100 200 0 33%
L5 150 300 0 50%
remove T25 chips
L6 200 400 0 33%
L7 200 400 300 50%
L8 300 600 500 56%
L9 400 800 800 43%
L10 600 1200 1200 50%
L11 800 1600 1600 33%
remove T100 chips
L12 1000 2000 2000 25%
L13 1500 3000 3000 50%
remove T500 chips
L14 2000 4000 4000 33%
L15 3000 6000 6000 50%
L16 4000 8000 8000 33%
L17 6000 12000 12000 50% *** EOT
L18 8000 16000 16000 33%
L19 10000 20000 20000 25%

This event, I would play in. The other structure, I would not - too much needless and avoidable inconsistency, and a shove-fest towards the end when skillful play should be encouraged and rewarded rather than luck.

 

[WhiteMamba1646]

Okay, I'm a bit confused. You want suggestions on how to make it better (Thursday), but are unable to change the structure (Friday). What's the point of asking?

In any case, I did notice these issues:

40 players at 12 x T25 chips per starting stack (12/7/4/2) equals more T25 chips than you have in your set (you need 480, you have 425). Given the conditions stated, your best option for T5000 starting stacks is 8/8/4/2.

You have 300 x T1000 chips. The 40 starting stacks will require 80 of those, and to color-up the T25 and T100 chips, you will need up to 55 x T1000. Reserving another 120 x T1000 for the T3000 add-on brings your total to 240, leaving 45 x T1000 chips available for re-buys.

Not advisable to use T5000 chips for initial re-buys, as there won't be enough chips on the table for players to get change.

With 40 x 8/8/4/2 starting stacks, you have enough extra chips for 30 initial re-buy stacks of 5xT100 5xT500 1xT1000., plus another 3 re-buy stacks of 5 x T1000. Once all of those chips are in play, there should be enough change on the tables to use T5000 chips for any further re-buys if necessary. After reserving up to 31 x T5000 for T500 color-ups, you will have enough T5000 chips remaining for another 29 re-buys, or a grand total of 62 re-buys (30+3+29).

And, at the risk of offending the DE posting monitors, here's a T25-base T5000 structure with BBA (not advised, but do what you want) for 40 players that finishes in well under six hours with 20-minute levels and breaks, with consistent blind/ante increases averaging 47% and none over 56%:

lvl sb bb bba incr
L1 25 50 0 0
L2 50 100 0 100%
L3 75 150 0 50%
L4 100 200 0 33%
L5 150 300 0 50%
remove T25 chips
L6 200 400 0 33%
L7 200 400 300 50%
L8 300 600 500 56%
L9 400 800 800 43%
L10 600 1200 1200 50%
L11 800 1600 1600 33%
remove T100 chips
L12 1000 2000 2000 25%
L13 1500 3000 3000 50%
remove T500 chips
L14 2000 4000 4000 33%
L15 3000 6000 6000 50%
L16 4000 8000 8000 33%
L17 6000 12000 12000 50% *** EOT
L18 8000 16000 16000 33%
L19 10000 20000 20000 25%

This event, I would play in. The other structure, I would not - too much needless and avoidable inconsistency, and a shove-fest towards the end when skillful play should be encouraged and rewarded rather than luck.

This was completely informative. Thank you for sharing that. Yea it was mostly for the next time i set it up. I will be doing them about 4 times a year and wanted to see if there is any better ways to set up for the future. Also i have 525 T25 sorry for the typo. I will definitely keep this saved for future events. Thank you