20 vs 25 thoughts (1 Viewer)

[Jambine]

I'm just gonna throw this out there, and get ready for the blow-back.
I really don't understand a $20 chip. I don't see that it helps anything except a $20 buy which would get 4 $5's anyway.

..... I suppose if you're using the same set for cash and tourney that makes some sense, but I never do that

 

[Blaster]

samples?

I may possibly have some when I get the order, if so I will post at that time ...

 

[XBobdog]

I'm just gonna throw this out there, and get ready for the blow-back.
I really don't understand a $20 chip. I don't see that it helps anything except a $20 buy which would get 4 $5's anyway.

..... I suppose if you're using the same set for cash and tourney that makes some sense, but I never do that

This is pretty much how I feel. Really the basis of my question. I wanted to see if there was a real good reason that I just didn't know.

 

[Jambine]

I just thought of a good use for the $20. a 10/20 or 20/40 structured limit game would be great with a $20 chip

 

[Mental Nomad]

I just thought of a good use for the $20. a 10/20 or 20/40 structured limit game would be great with a $20 chip

I'm with you, but some of the limit fiends here insist that a 20/40 game be played all red; they don't like having a single chip for the big bet. They like to play with 200 chips per player.

I think the $20 is a great chip for a limit set that plays 2/4 or 4/8... you have stacks of 20 singles in your rack, and the $20 makes it easy to buy/sell by the stack.

 

[DJ Mack]

I really don't understand a $20 chip. ..... I suppose if you're using the same set for cash and tourney that makes some sense, but I never do that

A T20 in tournament play makes even less sense to me than $20 in cash play. But hey, what do I know

 

[pltrgyst]

$20s are often black. $25s are almost always green.

I love green. I don't like black.

Therefore, I use green chips and don't play in tourney often (i.e.,only under duress).

Ymmv...

Plagiarism is the most sincere form of flattery.

You know, kinda like the Dead Sox trying to imitate the Yankees all these years. It's a form of big city penis envy, I suppose.

 

[Mental Nomad]

$20s are often black. $25s are almost always green.

I love green. I don't like black.

$20 black is a California color. Most $20s I see in custom sets, and all $20s in Atlantic City, are Yellow.

You can easily find $20s made in yellow, orange, red, black, white, green, gray (in the US), grey (in the UK), brown, pink...

I see all of the above on this page:

https://goo.gl/fjGU84

 

[72o]

$20 black is a California color. Most $20s I see in custom sets, and all $20s in Atlantic City, are Yellow.

You can easily find $20s made in yellow, orange, red, black, white, green, gray (in the US), grey (in the UK), brown, pink...

I see all of the above on this page:

https://goo.gl/fjGU84

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Yeah my post was mainly to have a little fun with @pltrgyst .There is obviously no right or wrong here but if you want a green cash chip in a "normal" lineup, then you may need to lean towards a $25 (I couldn't make a green $20 and live with it personally) Especially if you like to use the yellow on the fiver.

 

[wgicon]

I think like so many things this is just a matter of preference. I used dark gray 20's in home tournaments years ago; my crew liked it.

 

[Leonard]

I personally like the idea of a $20 cash chip and a 100/500/2500/10000 progression for tournaments. However, my experience is that if confuses my players and slows down the game.

L

 

[AfterTheFact]

I'm just gonna leave this right here

 

[Poker Zombie]

I like the $20 for cash. It's simply preference, but...

• A 2-table limit game is a shitload of $1 chips. If I'm at 2 full tables (thus using all of my limit $1s), rebuys will buy $20 chips and players can buy barrels off multiple players with their new $20s.
• I'm a stickler for traditional colors. That would mean a green 25. I have lots of green T25s already, so when putting together another set, a different color is nice.

 

[TroyMan]

It does seem like a personal preference thing, but I would use $20s and $2000s.

My case for the $20s, which is not particular strong, is:

• A stack of twenty $1s equals a $20 chip. It just seems to flow.
• It's just a bit easier to get $20s in play rather than $25s, given that the gap from $5 to $25 is wider. As soon as the bet gets to $20 the next denom is in play when using $20s vs waiting until a $25 bet for the $25s to come into play. I would think you would see somewhat fewer $5s in pots to have to stack and split.
• Going to $20s puts a few more higher denom chips in play vs the stacks being dominated by just $1s and $5s and the fractional blinds chips. It's just slightly more difficult to build stacks of $25s vs stacks of $20s

And I agree with your thinking, Xbobdog, on the $2000 chip. I think the case for a $2000 chip vs a $1000 chip is much stronger than a $20 over a $25. How many cash sets have $10 chips? Not many. Why? Because, as most will remark, a $10 chip is just two $5 chips. Well, guess what, a $1000 chip is just two $500 chips. Yet in tourney chips, you typically see what amounts to $5s, $10s and $50s in the form of $500s, $1000s and $5000s. It's counter to the same rationale that leads everyone to having a $20 or $25 chip between the $5 and $50 chip instead of a $10 chip. Youl'll need fewer chips using $2000, or $2500, chips, as well..

As for your perspective on what looks/seems right based on what casinos are using, when I joined the forum 8 months ago, I could not get into the Cali colors, now I prefer a blue $1 over a white $1s. I'm loading up on orange $5s, even though I once thought $5s were suppose to be red. I preferred Paulson over TRK and now I'm buying TRKs. My tastes and what seems "normal" to me has evolved since, and because of, joining the forum. Look at an orange Mapes and tell me a $5 needs to be red!

 

[XBobdog]

I'm just gonna leave this right here
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That Nevada Club $20 is the most beautiful ugly chip I've ever seen. If I could make my $20 look like that, I'd convert

 

[upNdown]

It does seem like a personal preference thing, but I would use $20s and $2000s.

My case for the $20s, which is not particular strong, is:

• A stack of twenty $1s equals a $20 chip. It just seems to flow.
• It's just a bit easier to get $20s in play rather than $25s, given that the gap from $5 to $25 is wider. As soon as the bet gets to $20 the next denom is in play when using $20s vs waiting until a $25 bet for the $25s to come into play. I would think you would see somewhat fewer $5s in pots to have to stack and split.
• Going to $20s puts a few more higher denom chips in play vs the stacks being dominated by just $1s and $5s and the fractional blinds chips. It's just slightly more difficult to build stacks of $25s vs stacks of $20s

And I agree with your thinking, Xbobdog, on the $2000 chip. I think the case for a $2000 chip vs a $1000 chip is much stronger than a $20 over a $25. How many cash sets have $10 chips? Not many. Why? Because, as most will remark, a $10 chip is just two $5 chips. Well, guess what, a $1000 chip is just two $500 chips. Yet in tourney chips, you typically see what amounts to $5s, $10s and $50s in the form of $500s, $1000s and $5000s. It's counter to the same rationale that leads everyone to having a $20 or $25 chip between the $5 and $50 chip instead of a $10 chip. Youl'll need fewer chips using $2000, or $2500, chips, as well..

As for your perspective on what looks/seems right based on what casinos are using, when I joined the forum 8 months ago, I could not get into the Cali colors, now I prefer a blue $1 over a white $1s. I'm loading up on orange $5s, even though I once thought $5s were suppose to be red. I preferred Paulson over TRK and now I'm buying TRKs. My tastes and what seems "normal" to me has evolved since, and because of, joining the forum. Look at an orange Mapes and tell me a $5 needs to be red!

I, too, have learned to be cool with orange $5's, and TRK's are definitely at least as interesting as Paulsons, but I can't get on board with a T2,000 chip. I know it makes more sense, but it just feels weird. A little too cute and clever.

 

[XBobdog]

I'm cool with the orange five AND the teal/blue 25!!

 

[Poker Zombie]

Orange and teal are confirmed awesome. However Orange is closely related to Red, and Teal is Mr Green's love-child with Ms Light Blue, so I can accept it as normal.

T2000 is just wrong, from my traditionalist point of view. Yes, there is a 2-1 color-up step but it's pretty late into most tournaments, so there isn't much "chip waste" going on. T2000 just looks like you were trying to be either a) cute or b) cheap.

I get to play with T2000s often enough to also notice that someone will inevitably think a T2000 was just a T1000, because that is what comes next everywhere else in the casino world.

 

[btbmason]

Most of my thoughts have been said by others, but I'll add some extra support for those stances.

I've played a lot of low limit poker, which is probably why I like the $20 chip. It's much easier to rebuy and get chips from others. If you're playing with $1 chips, 1 barrel for 1 $20 chip. $2 chips, 1 barrel for 2 chips, etc.

As a "big chip" in a set it works well for rebuys. If you don't have a large chip set and/or you play .25/.25 or something similar, a rebuy can be done in 1 chip in exchange for 1 bill. At a certain point when people are buying in for more money and at higher limits, the $25 is probably a better idea. I probably won't reach that point, so $20s please!

The T2000 makes so much more sense than a T1000. I told myself, "When I make a custom tournament set I am definitely going with a T2000 chip." Well I just got done with my first custom set order. Yeah I couldn't pull the trigger, and it has a T500 and T1k.

It makes sense, and I want to like it and try it, but I just imagined the people I play with staring at it like it's a $2 bill or a Sacagawea dollar and not knowing what to do with it. It's easier/more fun to stick with the way we've always done it, even if I need more chips to accommodate for it.

 

[pltrgyst]

That Nevada Club $20 is the most beautiful ugly chip I've ever seen.,,,

Perfect description. It's like the train wreck that you can't help watching....

 

[Poker Zombie]

It makes sense, and I want to like it and try it, but I just imagined the people I play with staring at it like it's a $2 bill or a Sacagawea dollar and not knowing what to do with it. It's easier/more fun to stick with the way we've always done it, even if I need more chips to accommodate for it.

I'm not sure you need more chips for a 500/1K set. You need fewer T500s in a traditional set, as they're only a stepping stone between the T100 and the T1000. They really never become a "workhorse" chip.

In a T2000 set, you need more T500s, because they are now a workhorse chip. Each player will need playable amounts, and by the time the T500 is bearing weight, you will have more players still in the game - thus you will need more chips, or plan on making a lot of change.

 

[btbmason]

I'm not sure you need more chips for a 500/1K set. You need fewer T500s in a traditional set, as they're only a stepping stone between the T100 and the T1000. They really never become a "workhorse" chip.

In a T2000 set, you need more T500s, because they are now a workhorse chip. Each player will need playable amounts, and by the time the T500 is bearing weight, you will have more players still in the game - thus you will need more chips, or plan on making a lot of change.

That's fair. I didn't really think past starting stacks, just assumed you'd need more lower denom chips over a higher denom chip, especially if you don't have a T5k or T10k in play/available to color up later.

I do have to admit that it made me sad to order such a small amount of T500s knowing that they weren't super useful. Even when I tried to convince myself to order more, I just landed on "Why?"

 

[Poker Zombie]

Yeah, I overbought T500s, but Purple is Mrs Zombie's favorite color, so in the long run, it made sence.

 

[mummel]

Yeah, I overbought T500s, but Purple is Mrs Zombie's favorite color, so in the long run, it made sence.

 

[Jambine]

Some very compelling arguments here.
I''m beginning to think there might be a place for a $20 chip in my future.

 

[Chicken Rob]

I like $20 when it's a big chip, and $25s when its a work horse.

for .05/.10 and .25/.50 I prefer a $20, as it is a common rebuy amount, and my groups play deep, so we often get all the 5s on the table anyways. So having $20s eases rebuys of $20 or $40.

In a 1/2 game or higher, I like $25s. It's what casinos use, and people are more comfortable using $25s in that setting.

in the middle, .5050, .50/1, or 1/1, it depends on the texture of the game, and I could go either way.

 

[Ronoh]

Even when I tried to convince myself to order more, I just landed on "Why?"

Whenever "why" becomes a roadblock simply break it down with a big stick of "why not" and move forward

 

[btbmason]

Whenever "why" becomes a roadblock simply break it down with a big stick of "why not" and move forward

To be fair, I decided to spend the money I would have used on more T500s on something else related to the set

 

[Mojo1312]

To build on TroyMan's post and the

I like $20 when it's a big chip, and $25s when its a work horse.

for .05/.10 and .25/.50 I prefer a $20, as it is a common rebuy amount, and my groups play deep, so we often get all the 5s on the table anyways. So having $20s eases rebuys of $20 or $40.

In a 1/2 game or higher, I like $25s. It's what casinos use, and people are more comfortable using $25s in that setting.

in the middle, .5050, .50/1, or 1/1, it depends on the texture of the game, and I could go either way.

ChickenRob nailed it.

I also think it depends on how big the game plays.

I use to have a SB and a BB in my .25/.50 cash game set before setting the blinds at .50/.50.

Denominations for my .50/.50 NLHE/PLO set: .25 (Blinds open the action. All c-bets in our group are made in whole dollars.) $1 $5 and $25. The game plays better without the .50 chip. (Yes, we chose to keep the .25 chip.)

ChickenRob and others have listed reasons based on functionality as to why a $20 chip fits better into their low stake games.

A jump in blinds from .25/.50 or .50/.50 to $1/$2 would eliminate the lowest denominational chip.
IMO, the $25 chip is a better choice based on efficiency whenever the $5 chip is the prominent chip on the table.

Also, green is to $25 chips as red is to roses. Different colors can be found of each, but they raise the question of why in the eye of the beholder.

IMO, the beautiful thing about a $20 chip is the artistic license you have when choosing a base color.

 

[BGinGA]

I like $20 when it's a big chip, and $25s when its a work horse.

for .05/.10 and .25/.50 I prefer a $20, as it is a common rebuy amount, and my groups play deep, so we often get all the 5s on the table anyways. So having $20s eases rebuys of $20 or $40.

In a 1/2 game or higher, I like $25s. It's what casinos use, and people are more comfortable using $25s in that setting.

^^ This.

Also.....a stack of $1 chips equaling a $20 chip is useful in small-stakes games, similar to how a stack of $5 chips is equal to a $100 chip in larger games.