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I'm starting to pull together the ideas for a custom set and I was thinking about denominations.

I recently saw the $2000 chip. I love the idea of a 25/100/500/2000/10k tournament set because it just makes so much more sense to me. the 500/1000 chip was always an overlap to some degree.

But really, I'm thinking about the 20/25 chip. I have always been a 25 guy. That's what casinos have. I like them green. Every time I see a $20 chip, I'm a little like "waaaaa", don't get it.

I started thinking, why $20. All I can come up with is $20 bills, $20 chips, it helps with pay-outs.

I know that $20 play a role in limit poker. I don't play limit poker.

Is there anything else I'm missing?
 
It is most a preference thing. The main appeal for it besides preference is that cash comes in $20 bills.

So unless you are playing in games that most buy-ins are with $100 bills, you are going to have a lot of $20's.

Smaller stakes games like $0.25/.50 the $20 makes a lot of sense since buying and rebuys will most likely be less than $100.
 
It is most a preference thing. The main appeal for it besides preference is that cash comes in $20 bills.

So unless you are playing in games that most buy-ins are with $100 bills, you are going to have a lot of $20's.

Smaller stakes games like $0.25/.50 the $20 makes a lot of sense since buying and rebuys will most likely be less than $100.
You hit the reason I'm even thinking about this. I like 25's. I can see the $20 cash idea. Does it make a difference, do you like it better?
 
You hit the reason I'm even thinking about this. I like 25's. I can see the $20 cash idea. Does it make a difference, do you like it better?

I like both. I went with a $20 chip for my custom set that I am ordering mostly because I wanted something different. Every casino set I have/had has a green $25 chip. Variety is the spice of life after all.
 
I am in favor of the denominational breakdown for tournaments that you laid out in your post.

I think a $20 chip is a matter of personal preference. I would go with a $20 chip if the blinds are less than $1/$2.
 
It may be hard to quantify. Why do you like the $20chip?

I always thought it made more sense - $20 bills, $20 chips. Maybe that's why I have such an aversion to 50 cent fracs.
But as @Rhodeman77 suggested, most of my home games are .25/.50 games, where the buyins are done with twenty dollar bills, not hundreds.
 
Cash set..... $20 makes rebuys easier. Most guys I play with only carry $20 bills ( or $100). Most guys buy in for $100 then rebuy in some increment of 20. I have no use for a $25 chip

Tourney ...... 25 is my preference. Less chips needed And there are very few green chips I like......
 
Because buy-ins for $1/$2 and $2/$5 are greater, the $25 chip is more efficient.
 
I like $20's for two reasons...
  • It's easier for cashiering
  • If you have a $20 and a $25 chip you can have a microstakes/low stakes cash game going at the same time as a tournament using the same set without compromising either game.

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I started thinking, why $20. All I can come up with is $20 bills, $20 chips, it helps with pay-outs.

It doesn't really help with cash-outs. People cash out with whatever they have, and it's never solely the big chip. It'll be a bunch of different denoms, and they'll add up to some number that has nothing to do with either the 20/25 denom.

It can help with buy-ins, if you get a lot of $20 rebuys or top-offs and you don't have enough $5 chips. In my games, a $40 rebuy will get 8 $5 chips, or if I'm getting low on them, it will get a $20 and 4 x $5s, or it will get a $25 and 3 x $5s, depending on the set.

If I were making a micro set with limited $5 chips, I might use $20 chips to ensure that $20 bills are easy to buy in when the $5s run out, but with ample chips, it's simply not a reason. If your crew somehow tends to be topping off with single $20 bills over and over in a game that actually plays big enough to run out of $5 chips, maybe the $20 chip makes a lot of sense, but that's not my world - in my 25c games, people are buying in with $40-$100, not single $20 bills. And when I have a micro-micro game where people are buying in with $20 at a time, running out of $5 chips is not an issue; I needed them for my normal 25c game!

In the end, the $20 bill = $20 chip argument just never really makes sense for cash-outs or buy-ins, to me... but I like a $20 chip just fine.

If chips are really unlimited, I prefer the $25 for cash. I like that a stack of $25 is a rack of $5, and a stack of $5 is a rack of $1. (Quarters and hundos don't work into this.) And I cut my teeth on green $25s as a dealer... but sometimes I like the color on the $20 better than the $25. That's true on the Boardwalks - love the yellow $20; not so keen on the green used for the $25.

But if the chipset will be super-limited, I'll want $25 chips. More bank per chip is more efficient in an absolute sense. When I run out of $5 chips (which is inevitable; super-limited), if someone tops off with a $20 bill I just change a $25 chip at the table for five $5 chips, give four to the player, and put one in the rack as I deposit the bill. Easy-peasy.

So, unlimited redbirds? I prefer $25. Super-limited redbirds? I prefer $25. In between, I'm cool with either.

For tourneys, I like T25, because counting stacks worth T500 seems somehow easier than T400.

Then again, if you're using a T2000 instead of a T1000, there's something to be said for T20/T100/T500/T2000... a rack of T20 is a single T2000. And starting blinds of 20/40 allow you to have a slightly lower starting blind and perhaps a smoother progression, though some people might get tilted by unfamiliar blind levels.

If you're creating one theme for cash and tourney, there's a lot to be said for $20 in cash and T25 in tourney - most low-limit games can use the $20 as the top end and skip the hundo entirely, and you avoid using the cheapest, most abundant tourney chip as the rarest, most valuable cash chip (risk!) A lot of custom sets take that tack. I don't recall seeing a tourney set made with a T20 low end.
 
$20s are for cash game sets, never for tourneys. As many others have mentioned, they're easier to make change for, and just more fun to play with IMO. I'd only used them in 40/80 limit games before playing home games, but now I'm hooked on them! They're just awesome chips!

For tourney sets, you'd obviously never want to consider T20s though, that'd just be silly.
 
Something else worth keeping in mind though is that if you're looking to build a 25/100/500/2000/10k set, you're building a versatile set for different structures. It's pretty impractical to use the T25 and T10k chips in the same tournament. Usually, you'd just use T25 through T2k, or start with T100 through T10k, but you can force them in there if you really want to play them all. Your tournament will just last a long time. Unless you have a large field of course, in which case you could color up to the T10k when you're down to a few players. But at that point, having stacks is more fun... so... to each their own. I'm not a fan of the T2k/T10k denoms though. It just gets fewer chips in play, and I'm all about MORE CHIPS!!!


And now... the pr0n!

I present to you exhibits A, B, C, D, & E as my arguments...


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$20s are often black. $25s are almost always green.

I love black. I don't like green.

Therefore, I use green chips only for tourney sets (i.e.,only under duress).

Ymmv...
 
$20s are often black. $25s are almost always green.

I love green. I don't like black.

Therefore, I use green chips and don't play in tourney often (i.e.,only under duress).

Ymmv...

:D:p
 
Thanks for all of the input. Even though our games have a lot of $20 increment buy-ins, $50's are become more common as they are being dispensed by our local ATMs. (Not sure if that is a national thing)

I'm more concerned that adding a $20 chip will confuse some of my long time players, because it will be a completely new denomination to them. This could happen even if the chip was marked $20 and designed to say "Twenty Dollars" loudly every time it gets thrown into a pot.

So I think I'm gonna stick with the 25's. Besides, I like to call them "quarters"
 
Something else worth keeping in mind though is that if you're looking to build a 25/100/500/2000/10k set, you're building a versatile set for different structures. It's pretty impractical to use the T25 and T10k chips in the same tournament. Usually, you'd just use T25 through T2k, or start with T100 through T10k, but you can force them in there if you really want to play them all. Your tournament will just last a long time. Unless you have a large field of course, in which case you could color up to the T10k when you're down to a few players. But at that point, having stacks is more fun... so... to each their own. I'm not a fan of the T2k/T10k denoms though. It just gets fewer chips in play, and I'm all about MORE CHIPS!!!


And now... the pr0n!

I present to you exhibits A, B, C, D, & E as my arguments...


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I really like that Overland $20
 
I think you will find it comes down to personal preference. They are no hard rules so always buy what you and your players are most comfortable with.

I prefer $20's for cash games and $25's for tournaments. My reasoning probably goes back to playing poker with cash instead of with chips. I played way more poker in my life with cash on the table instead of chips. It just makes sense to me and most of my players that the cash chips mirror actual cash amounts. Even the mostly rejected $10 chip has a cash/bill equivalent. Never ever seen a $25 bill. Our game is mainly lower stakes so $20's are usually a top end chip and IMO they do make it much easier for buyins/banking/cashing. A $25 chip requires a minimum of 2 bills to cash out as opposed to a $20.

And $50 bills are just bad juju. (superstitious gamblers will say) ;)

$25 chips for tournaments just make for better betting levels/structures.

Besides having both $20's and $25's is just another reason to have "moar chips" :D
 
A $25 chip requires a minimum of 2 bills to cash out as opposed to a $20.

Yeah, but if you're using a $20 chip, a player that ends the night with 25 dollars just ends up with a $20 chip and a $5 chip instead of a single $25 chip.

Either way, you're cashing out with a minimum of two bills, because it's still 25 dollars. No difference.

Just use the chip you like more. :)
 
I went with a $20 for my current on order cash set.
When I do host it's usually mostly tournaments, which have a 25, & I also already have both a cash mixed casino used Paulson set w/$25's, & Custom China Clays w/ $25's , So I decided to change it up.
No big deal either way, however if I were to be getting a single combo cash/torn set, or did not own any other $25's, I probably would then go green $25 ...
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Thanks for all of the input. Even though our games have a lot of $20 increment buy-ins, $50's are become more common as they are being dispensed by our local ATMs. (Not sure if that is a national thing)
$50s from an ATM, interesting, haven't seen that here.
I'm more concerned that adding a $20 chip will confuse some of my long time players, because it will be a completely new denomination to them. This could happen even if the chip was marked $20 and designed to say "Twenty Dollars" loudly every time it gets thrown into a pot.
They'd adjust; as long as the dealer is diligent about making sure the full bet is in there won't be any problems. It's not like someone means to bet $20 but throws in a new $25 and nobody catches it. I believe you said you don't play a lot of limit games, but with limit it's not even about the dollar amount. It's multiples. "Two to you" might mean two bucks, or it might mean two $20 or $25 chips, depending on the limit. But if everyone is comfortable with $25 and your spend gets it into play than why change?

I agree with the other comments that $20 chips do not help with cashout. What I find helps at cashout is having a huge stack of $1s and $5s. I save the $1s I get in everyday change specifically for poker nights. I buy in with them. It helps me when I'm hosting, and when I'm visting the hosts really appreciate it at the end of the night.
So I think I'm gonna stick with the 25's. Besides, I like to call them "quarters"
Nothing wrong with that. My tournament set starts at either T5 or T25, but my cash set ends at $20 (a plaque BTW, since they rarely see the felt). It's all about what works for you and your crew.
 
I went with a $20 for my current on order cash set.
When I do host it's usually mostly tournaments, which have a 25, & I also already have both a cash mixed casino used Paulson set w/$25's, & Custom China Clays w/ $25's , So I decided to change it up. No big deal either way, however if I were to be getting a single combo cash/torn set, or did not own any other $25's, I probably would then go green $25 ...
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$50's are become more common as they are being dispensed by our local ATMs
Some Bank of America ATMs in the DC area dispense $50s along with $20s for large withdrawals, but only after giving out the first $100 or so in $20s.

If your cash game has people buying in with $50s (and not needing change), I'd probably stick with $25s, instead of $20s. Although I do like the look of some $20 chips.
 
I save the $1s I get in everyday change specifically for poker nights. I buy in with them. It helps me when I'm hosting

I do the exact same thing.

Also, because I'm an ex-dealer, I habitually lay out the cash as done in a casino blackjack table buy-in, but with a ton of singles and fives. So the opening of the night always includes a comically big spread of my comically small bills.
 

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