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You can be sued for sitting in your living room watching TV. It doesn't mean it's a viable lawsuit.

Wait. Are we talking Nevada? Or California?

In Nevada, there is a statue colloquially called the Good Samaritan lawsuit that insulates such a person from civil liability in the absence of gross negligence.

The 11-year old California case lead to the introduction of a law extending the Good Samaritan statue in California to anyone, not just emergency personnel.
 
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WedgeRock said:
You can be sued for sitting in your living room watching TV. It doesn't mean it's a viable lawsuit.

There is a statue colloquially called the Good Samaritan lawsuit that insulates such a person from civil liability in the absence of gross negligence.
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Correct, you CAN be sued for anything. I don't believe I stated you would instantly lose in my post, just that you CAN be sued. You responded "also wrong"....

#Technacalitied
 
Anthony Martino said:
Correct, you CAN be sued for anything. I don't believe I stated you would instantly lose in my post, just that you CAN be sued. You responded "also wrong"....

#Technacalitied
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Congrats, then. Technically you can be sued. You win.

The fact that such a lawsuit lacks merit (and potentially opens the plaintiff up to liability for a frivolous lawsuit) means your comment not only adds nothing to the discussion, but it actually detracts from the discussion because it promotes wrong information.

But congrats on the win.
 
Just for the record, somebody the other day questioned why I thought that betting lines were important. This is the exact reason. If his chips cross that line, they are no longer in his possession and thus are in the pot.
 
WedgeRock said:
Congrats, then. Technically you can be sued. You win.

The fact that such a lawsuit lacks merit (and potentially opens the plaintiff up to liability for a frivolous lawsuit) means your comment not only adds nothing to the discussion, but it actually detracts from the discussion because it promotes wrong information.

But congrats on the win.
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Seriously though, laws are up to interpretation by judges and juries. So you could be a good Samaritan and still lose as a defendant.
 
WedgeRock said:
Where the fuck are these numbers coming from?!

Let's say the cage improperly held the thief's $1200 (I don't think it would be determined improper, but let's assume). How does the thief make a claim for $10m in damages?! How are his damages anything more than $1,200?! And how does the casino incur a quarter million in legal fees?!

You guys have been watching too many lawyer TV commercials.
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Nah. I just read too much news...

https://abc7chicago.com/shoplifter-sues-target-for-$10m-accuses-employee-of-assaulting-him/2641820/

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
 
WedgeRock said:
Congrats, then. Technically you can be sued. You win.

The fact that such a lawsuit lacks merit (and potentially opens the plaintiff up to liability for a frivolous lawsuit) means your comment not only adds nothing to the discussion, but it actually detracts from the discussion because it promotes wrong information.

But congrats on the win.
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And yes, I do enjoy winning, and yes, people have lost with a good Samaritan defense, which varies from state to state:

https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/yes-you-can-be-sued-for-trying-to-save-someones-life

https://patch.com/illinois/downersg...suit-against-man-who-stabbed-himself-30-times

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2015/01/the-sorry-state-of-good-samaritan-laws/384793/
 
Anthony Martino said:
And yes, I do enjoy winning, and yes, people have lost with a good Samaritan defense, which varies from state to state:

https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/yes-you-can-be-sued-for-trying-to-save-someones-life

https://patch.com/illinois/downersg...suit-against-man-who-stabbed-himself-30-times

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2015/01/the-sorry-state-of-good-samaritan-laws/384793/
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Thank you, sir. I bow to your superior intellect in landlord-tenant disputes and the defeat of the Good Samaritan defense.

Pay the thief $10m and give the casino lawyers $250k.

I think that's enough internet for me today. Good night, boys.
 
Everyone has phones these days. That guys face will be everywhere.

I think the states gambling commission needs to weigh in on this. I mean, wtf is the point of a commission if there isn’t a regulatory body sorting out issues like this.
 
WedgeRock said:
Thank you, sir. I bow to your superior intellect in landlord-tenant disputes and the defeat of the Good Samaritan defense.
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I'm sorry you feel the need to be a dick when you try to call out someone as wrong, (who was willing to admit they were wrong previously btw) after they produce evidence showing they were not.

Pay the thief $10m and give the casino lawyers $250k.
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And nowhere did I even come close to pushing that line of thinking
 
For the people saying they shouldn’t have cashed him out that’s fine but what if he just went to leave (could hand them off for cash out to someone else later on) do they physically restrain him from leaving?
 
ReallyGoodUsername said:
For the people saying they shouldn’t have cashed him out that’s fine but what if he just went to leave (could hand them off for cash out to someone else later on) do they physically restrain him from leaving?
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No one is saying take a bullet over this or break out the cuffs. But at the very least they should have asked him to stay until this is sorted out. If he walks out in defiance that's on him.

The house essentially gave him an escort out after paying him off and screwing the victim. That is unbelievable.

The house asserts the right to impound pots in dispute in every ruleset. I think there's a case it was bad faith not to do so here.

Of course, I don't really mind the Rothstein approach either as posted above.
 
Anthony Martino said:
Football tackle him obviously, plus cattleprod just to be safe! :p
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Is that from Casino? Gotta be from Casino... great movie!

Anthony Martino said:
Correct, you CAN be sued for anything. I don't believe I stated you would instantly lose in my post, just that you CAN be sued. You responded "also wrong"....

#Technacalitied
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I am disappointed in you though. You had the perfect setup to use the hashtag "#lawyered"!

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JustinInMN said:
No one is saying take a bullet over this or break out the cuffs. But at the very least they should have asked him to stay until this is sorted out. If he walks out in defiance that's on him.

The house essentially gave him an escort out after paying him off and screwing the victim. That is unbelievable.

The house asserts the right to impound pots in dispute in every ruleset. I think there's a case it was bad faith not to do so here.

Of course, I don't really mind the Rothstein approach either as posted above.
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not trying to rehash the whole thing just pointing out that them not cashing him out, on its own, wouldn't have stopped him from getting his "losings" back
 
ando5k said:
Just for the record, somebody the other day questioned why I thought that betting lines were important. This is the exact reason. If his chips cross that line, they are no longer in his possession and thus are in the pot.
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Pretty sure it was me, and this isn't a betting line issue,this is an "all-in" button shortcut issue.
 
Sounds like I just need to go to Vegas, grab players chips off the tables and walk out.

Have my wife cash them in later and I'm all good.

Chip harvesting just got way easier - we can grab anything we like apparently.
 
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BukNaked36 said:
Sounds like I just need to go to Vegas, grab players chips off the tables and walk out.

Have my wife cash them in later and I'm all good.

Chip harvesting just got way easier - we can grab anything we like apparently.
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We really need to distinguish the difference between not paying a debt and stealing. That seems to pop up a lot in this thread.

No, you can’t just grab somebody’s chips (or cell phone or wallet). The chips were not in your possession and you took them. That is stealing.

That is different than saying, if I lose this bet, I will pay you $1,200 and then not paying it. That’s not stealing. That is breaking a verbal contract.

Now, I don’t know what responsibility, recourse, etc. the casino has and I really don’t care. It’s such an unusual occurrence, it’s not worth worrying about. However, it seems to me the issue is similar to this:

Two guys bet $1,200 on a football game. The two guys don’t know each other well and neither trusts the other. So, they ask a disinterested third party to hold the cash and give it to the winner. When one person wins, the third party gives him the cash. The breakdown here was, neither party asked the third party to hold the cash. They just took their chances.
 
Anthony Martino said:
I'm sorry you feel the need to be a dick when you try to call out someone as wrong, (who was willing to admit they were wrong previously btw) after they produce evidence showing they were not.
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I was being a dick by pointing out that Good Samaritan laws protect people who break someone's rib while trying to save them. Your retort was you *can* be sued, even if the suit is not successful, or is not meritorious?

You're still sticking to your point that is technically correct (you can be sued) but adds zero to the conversation and actually detracts from it?

Anthony Martino said:
And nowhere did I even come close to pushing that line of thinking
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No, that was @justsomedude. Also technically right (if you can sue, you can sue for $10m), but I still have no idea how the casino would incur $250k in legal fees.

In 2014, the average legal fee was $604 per hour for a partner and $307 per hour for an associate, according to the National Law Journal. This case is simple enough to be handled be an associate, but assuming a partner was used, am I to believe it would take 400 hours of legal work to handle a suit by the guy who refused to honor his debt, when Nevada law authorizes the casino can get involved in such a dispute?

I don't agree with the tangential premise that a Good Samaritan can be liable. That has nothing to do with this story. I don't agree that has the casino stepped in to the dispute, it would have opened itself up to a $10M liability and spent a quarter-million in legal fees.

Back to your regularly scheduled thread.
 
WedgeRock said:
:eyeroll:

We're then also assuming that the cage employee, in refusing to cash out the thief, used jujitsu training to stop the thief from leaving?!
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You asked where the numbers came from. I gave you a real world answer. Hell, a woman sued McDonalds for millions when I was in high school (and won) because the coffee she voluntarily purchased was too hot (in her opinion) and caused burns to her skin when she spilled it.

People can sue for many reasons in this country. Don’t be mad at me just because you’re unfamiliar with the realities of American tort law.
 
The examples are so much different than the hypothetical that they really don't support the number. And the legal fees?

I'm not (intentionally) taking shots at you... It's just an attempt to rain in the speculation in this thread, which is out of control.
 
Gobbs said:
We really need to distinguish the difference between not paying a debt and stealing. That seems to pop up a lot in this thread.
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I would argue the chips transfer ownership as soon as the showdown, regardless of where they are sitting on the table.
Participating in game isn't an implied agreement to lend players money rightfully won in hopes of getting paid.

I think debt argument is a non sequitur here. All the chips wagered belong to the winner on showdown, even if they haven't yet been moved to the winners stack.
 

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