Paulson "Elite" (2 Viewers)

[Charly]

Has anyone tested the new Paulsons Elite sold on Apache ? Compared to the old ones ( Home series )

https://www.apachepokerchips.com/product/paulson-elite-poker-chips/

Thanks

 

[BSteck]

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/paulson-elite.29441/
and
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/paulson-elite-poker-chips-order-page.27464/

 

[Charly]

Thank you @BSteck,

They were both very intersting. I think I'll get a sample to make my own oppinion

 

[trigs]

I just bought a barrel of bounty chips. They are nice chips for sure. Definitely a good buy for the price range imo.

 

[WhiteMamba1646]

what are you referring to when you say "old ones"? from what i know this is the first and only set they have available (and monaco chips) if you are talking about those 2 they are identical. very light chip but alot of fun to shuffle and stack. the color's pop too!

 

[Charly]

Whath I called here old ones are the one Paulson cut off the market (~2009 if my memory is wright).

 

[WhiteMamba1646]

oh that was before my chipping days lol sorry bout that.

 

[fieldsy]

I'm still not crazy about people (Apache included) calling these "Paulsons." Other PCF'ers are much more knowledgeable than I am about this, but aren't they more accurately described as Gemaco promo chips? I know they are made in the same factory as Paulsons. But they are expressly, deliberately not Paulsons, right? Maybe I shouldn't care.

In any event, I got samples. They're fine chips, although to answer your question I do not think the Elites/Monacos are very similar to the Paulson home market chips other than presumably the clay composition. They have very large, very glossy inlays, which means you only see that clay composition on the rolling edge and outer few millimeters of the chips surface. The large bright white edge spots across all denominations are not similar to anything on the older home-market sets. But some people on PCF seem to really like them. Worth getting samples, to be sure.

 

[v1pe]

Great chips, the perfect buy for a new chipper with the only exception being if a good Sunfly hybrid GB happens to be running.

 

[Marius L]

I have a set of these, and like them for the price tag. They are a good option if you want mint clay chips with a custom breakdown. Mint clay chips otherwise tend to get pretty expensive.

 

[BGinGA]

aren't they more accurately described as Gemaco promo chips? I know they are made in the same factory as Paulsons. But they are expressly, deliberately not Paulsons, right?

Absolutely correct on all three counts. They are produced at GPI's Mexico manufacturing facility on their lammer mold (slight recess and no markings) using a less expensive clay formula (limited to ten base colors and a single white 312 spot pattern) with custom oversize inlays only, and sold as Gemaco brand promotional chips through select distributors.

Any reference to them as "Paulson" chips is from either ignorance or attemping to intentionally mislead others.

 

[dew4au]

I'm still not crazy about people (Apache included) calling these "Paulsons."

Any reference to them as "Paulson" chips is from either ignorance or attemping to intentionally mislead others.

Exactly. I don't go around calling my Toyota a Lexus.

These are not Paulsons and they are far from "Elite" Better chips, for sure, but I don't think Gemaco "Better Chips" has much marketing zeal.

 

[WhiteMamba1646]

lol they are great chips, get samples if you are considering them. i loved my set when i had it and would definitely recommend for a great budget chip.

 

[Marius L]

Absolutely correct on all three counts. They are produced at GPI's Mexico manufacturing facility on their lammer mold (slight recess and no markings) using a less expensive clay formula (limited to ten base colors and a single white 312 spot pattern) with custom oversize inlays only, and sold as Gemaco brand promotional chips through select distributors.

Any reference to them as "Paulson" chips is from either ignorance or attemping to intentionally mislead others.

Nevertheless a solid option for mint clay chips at a decent price.

 

[BGinGA]

Agreed -- I have a set myself. And I don't call 'em Paulsons.

 

[BGinGA]

I don't go around calling my Toyota a Lexus.

Wanna buy my Acura Accord?

 

[WhiteMamba1646]

I call them Paulson Elite because that is the name that was given the set. If the name changes i will call it what it is, but since its called Paulson Elite, ill stick with that.

 

[Davism72]

Absolutely correct on all three counts. They are produced at GPI's Mexico manufacturing facility on their lammer mold (slight recess and no markings) using a less expensive clay formula (limited to ten base colors and a single white 312 spot pattern) with custom oversize inlays only, and sold as Gemaco brand promotional chips through select distributors.

Any reference to them as "Paulson" chips is from either ignorance or attemping to intentionally mislead others.

THANK YOU. Every time I see them referred to as low-cost Paulsons, I wonder how anyone can think that. Felt like I was going crazy.

 

[fieldsy]

Nevertheless a solid option for mint clay chips at a decent price.

This is also correct. It was not my intention to crap on the chips, especially since a lot of people like them a great deal. But over a few months hanging around this forum I've learned that people care a great deal about chip details (THC vs RHC, CDI '98 vs CDI '05, textured vs non-textured inlays, leaded vs unweighted clay), so it has struck me as odd how often I see this particular line of chips referred to as Paulsons.

 

[BGinGA]

I call them Paulson Elite because that is the name that was given the set.

To be honest, I'm surprised that GPI's legal department hasn't raised a stink about the name being used without their permission. Most likely they are unaware of it.

 

[ChipEnvy]

what are you referring to when you say "old ones"? from what i know this is the first and only set they have available (and monaco chips) if you are talking about those 2 they are identical. very light chip but alot of fun to shuffle and stack. the color's pop too!

What do you mean "very light weight"?

 

[WhiteMamba1646]

8.5 grams

 

[WhiteMamba1646]

they are noticeably lighter than a typical RHC or THC paulson. in my opinion.

 

[BGinGA]

What do you mean "very light weight"?

Weighing a random sample of 14 chips of two GPI types (7 colors, 2 chips each) with identical diameter and stack heights produced these results:

• Gemaco lammer mold = 116g, or 8.3g per chip
• Paulson THC mold = 126g, or 9.0g per chip

The Paulson THC chips weighed were Star chips, made using the current casino clay formula around the same time as the Gemaco chips were produced.

The weight difference is due to both the mold and formula differences.

 

[ChipEnvy]

Yeah..."very light" is more misleading than the "Paulson" being in the name. Many RHC chips out there come in at 8.5g.

I really wish they would have rolled these chips out with some name other than "Paulson Elites". Agreed they are not Paulson brand, but I'd have to think that to nearly the entire population the differences other than the mold wouldn't be noticed. The drama that having "Paulson" in the name has created takes away from what is otherwise the best current home game chip out there.

The weight is similar, the sound and feel are similar (not identical, but so damn close it isn't worth bringing up) and they play awesome. At 1/4 to 1/3 the price of a comparable Paulson set the value can't be argued. And let's be honest, even at what they are going for, they are still a luxury item.

IF you are OK with the all white spots and the artwork is appealing to you, these are your chips. I would rather have a set of the Elites than any chip with the "Paulson Chips" mold. With the exception being that I could flip the 'Paulson Chips' mold chips for more money and buy an even bigger set of the Elites with it.

Full disclosure, I have a 1200 chip set of these and love them. However, my Elites make up about 10% of my entire collection which are all Paulson, Bud Jones or CPC.

 

[WhiteMamba1646]

from the RHC chips i've handled it is noticeable, but that's to me. that's why samples are important. I kinda wish i didn't sell my set because they are perfect chips for tournaments. Easy to distinguish denominations, and the colors do really pop. very fun set to play with.

 

[TheBigTater]

I have 2 sets of these, a small set of Elites for board games. monopoly, etc and a full STT set of PCF Promo chips. Perfectly good chips with super nice base colors BUT.... the all white edge spots with only one spot pattern available means every set looks the same as every other set when in stacks. I guess that makes them the worlds best totally interchangeable chips. If you can get by that fact they are a great clay chip at the price point.

 

[RussB42]

I have 100 each of the 500,1000,5000, &25,000 and they are just fine with me.

I just don't use them and sending to eBay.

 

[BGinGA]

The weight is similar, the sound and feel are similar (not identical, but so damn close it isn't worth bringing up) and they play awesome.

I do think they feel and play just fine, but the weight is certainly noticable -- a barrel of chips just feels light (by almost two chips), and even worse if you're used to playing with leaded Paulsons.

The sound, on the other hand, is remarkably different. Just weighing those two stacks of 14 chips each earlier (and playing around with them a bit) produced significant differences in pitch and resonance between the lammers and the THC chips when shuffled, riffled, or manipulated in a pot. The Gemaco chips have a much higher pitch, (similar to BCC chips on the flame mold), and it was very noticable even to my wife (a poker player, but not a chipper). A novice could tell them apart blindfolded.

I would rather have a set of the Elites than any chip with the "Paulson Chips" mold.

Agreed -- I have one set of Gemaco promo chips (so far), but zero sets using the tacky PAULSON CHPS mold. I'd need to be getting royalties to advertise like that for 'em.

 

[Apache]

For clarity I sent GPI an email asking them how to describe the chips. In the future you can all describe these chips as made by Gaming Partners International.