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Title says it.

Micro Cash Set - $0.25/$1/$5 - Paulson Used preferred, will consider Mint but likely out of my budget ATM. (Mixed set OK).

Looking to cover a 1 table, $25-50 buy in social game. I will add $25's later or consider what you have.

Thanks!

Edit for potential breakdown:

0.25 - 100
1 - 200
5 - 200
25 - 20
 
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Burke said:
You have seen this thread, right?
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I have, but being so new, I’m concerned about chips that worn, without seeing/feeling them.

I have 10 mint paulsons NPS chips, 10 Used HS Cleveland’s, 10 Mint BCC’s and 10 Mint CPC’s. Of the lot, I prefer the feel of the casino used chips best.. but is there diminishing return on smootheness with how used they are? I don’t know the answer to that... they certainly look “vintage” which I’m okay with aesthetically, beautiful colors there, but yea, clearly well loved...

Also, I think I can put the Cincy set together for around 350 total with my current offerings. That includes a 0.25 relable, 2 racks of ones, a rack of 5’s and a barrel of 25’s. I’d add a rack of ones, then another rack of 5’s eventually.
 
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Burke said:
That is a good question.



@BGinGA, do you mind if I defer these questions to you? Experience and all...
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Now that I continue to learn... the HS 1’s that I haven’t let go in 36 hours are THC... and the cincy’s all appear to be RHC.

Potentially a big deal I completely overlooked.... thank you!

Sheesh. This is complicated. :confused:

Edit: answers to my mold questions in this link, adding for noobs like myself reading this, or finding it later https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/paulson-th-c-indentification-and-amount-produced.9155/
 
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BGinGA said:
Sure... but I missed the questions. :oops: Whatcha need?
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I love the HS Cleveland 1s feel. Am I likely to notice a difference if I went with RHC instead of THC? If so, why?

I linked a thread above that kinda answers that, indirectly.
 
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chubbyone said:
Am I likely to notice a difference if I went with RHC instead of THC? If so, why?
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Well, I would notice. :LOL: :laugh:

The differences between the two molds are huge, imo. So much so, that I sold off my last two RHC sets last month, but still have 20+ THC sets in the collection. *

The THC mold offers these advantages:
  • concentric outer circle that helps protects the edge from breakage
  • smaller inlay area ('standard' inlay size) resulting in larger amount of surface contact area between chips
  • more likely to contain high amounts of lead (most were manufactured prior to the clay formula changes to reduce lead content)
  • heavier, with better feel, stacking, and sound characteristics due to all of the above
  • THC chips can have textured and real shaped inlays
  • used chips typically wear down with smooth rounded edges, due to high lead content and mold design features
The RHC mold offers these disadvantages:
  • no protective outer circle, resulting in common breakage where the hats are close to the chip edge
  • larger inlay area ('grand' inlay size, or worse) resulting in smaller amount of surface contact area between chips
  • lighter weight due to lead-free clay formula used since 2007 (formula transitioned between 1999-2007)
  • glossy inlay lamination with no real shaped inlays (only fake 'printed' shapes, usually with poor color-matching)
  • used chips are typically nicked and flea-bitten, due to lead-free formula and the mold design flaw (some also claim that heavily used RHC chips feel like plastic)
So yes, they look different, feel different, sound and play differently, and wear differently. I would notice. :LOL: :laugh: YMMV, so get samples. Lots of samples. Enough to shuffle and play around with, so you can make an informed decision on what really appeals to you, before you start shelling out big bucks for chips you eventually decide you don't really like.

I also would never intentionally build a mixed set containing both molds. It still tilts me to this day that my Aztar Caruthersville ($5) and PCA ($1) sets have a wayward RHC chips in the middle of their otherwise all-THC mold lineup -- I use the PCA $5 in my Aztar set, and the Aztar $1 in my PCA set. Doing so doesn't tilt me during play, and lets me sleep better at night. ;)


* Par-A-Dice, Casino Aztar Evansville, Aces Casino, Grand Victoria, Terrible's (all four sets), Oak Tree Casino, Good Luck Club, Double Down Saloon, Mesquite Star, Sunset Junction.... I sold all of those sets, primarily due to them being produced on the RHC mold. Not even great inlay designs, edge spots, or color combinations could overcome the underlying mold inadequacies, at least not to me. And there are lots of sets I did not purchase at all, due to them being on the RHC mold (Horseshoe Cleveland and Cincinnati being among the most recent, but there have been plenty of others I passed on, too).
 
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arch3r said:
That is where I got my orange LDs and the Garden City $5s. Got the $1s and $25s from Apache and others. And the rest from peeps selling in the classifies. The $100s cost me more than $1/chip but averaged out, it was still about $0.80/chip for the set. And getting used, and not mint, chips helps with my anxiety of people shuffling and splashing the pot.
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How worn are the $5s from that sale?

Thanks
Grant
 
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BGinGA said:
Well, I would notice. :LOL: :laugh:

The differences between the two molds are huge, imo. So much so, that I sold off my last two RHC sets last month, but still have 20+ THC sets in the collection. *

The THC mold offers these advantages:
  • concentric outer circle that helps protects the edge from breakage
  • smaller inlay area ('standard' inlay size) resulting in larger amount of surface contact area between chips
  • more likely to contain high amounts of lead (most were manufactured prior to the clay formula changes to reduce lead content)
  • heavier, with better feel, stacking, and sound characteristics due to all of the above
  • THC chips can have textured and real shaped inlays
  • used chips typically wear down with smooth rounded edges, due to high lead content and mold design features
The RHC mold offers these disadvantages:
  • no protective outer circle, resulting in common breakage where the hats are close to the chip edge
  • larger inlay area ('grand' inlay size, or worse) resulting in smaller amount of surface contact area between chips
  • lighter weight due to lead-free clay formula used since 2007 (formula transitioned between 1999-2007)
  • glossy inlay lamination with no real shaped inlays (only fake 'printed' shapes, usually with poor color-matching)
  • used chips are typically nicked and flea-bitten, due to lead-free formula and the mold design flaw (some also claim that heavily used RHC chips feel like plastic)
So yes, they look different, feel different, sound and play differently, and wear differently. I would notice. :LOL: :laugh: YMMV, so get samples. Lots of samples. Enough to shuffle and play around with, so you can make an informed decision on what really appeals to you, before you start shelling out big bucks for chips you eventually decide you don't really like.

I also would never intentionally build a mixed set containing both molds. It still tilts me to this day that my Aztar Caruthersville ($5) and PCA ($1) sets have a wayward RHC chips in the middle of their otherwise all-THC mold lineup -- I use the PCA $5 in my Aztar set, and the Aztar $1 in my PCA set. Doing so doesn't tilt me during play, and lets me sleep better at night. ;)


* Par-A-Dice, Casino Aztar Evansville, Aces Casino, Grand Victoria, Terrible's (all four sets), Oak Tree Casino, Good Luck Club, Double Down Saloon, Mesquite Star, Sunset Junction.... I sold all of those sets, primarily due to them being produced on the RHC mold. Not even great inlay designs, edge spots, or color combinations could overcome the underlying mold inadequacies, at least not to me. And there are lots of sets I did not purchase at all, due to them being on the RHC mold (Horseshoe Cleveland and Cincinnati being among the most recent, but there have been plenty of others I passed on, too).
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Thank you sir, thank you. Obviously I have to weigh all these +/- with budget, as it seems that given all that, THC are gonna demand a higher price.

One other question that came up, was about a set of heavily used (bicycle tire status) chips. Do a lot of those THC advantages start to diminish when you get past used and enter what I’d likely call “worn” condition? The set is the Huntington Park set that user @Frank is selling.

Edit: looks like that HP set is sold now, but the questions still applies!
 
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BGinGA said:
Well, I would notice. :LOL: :laugh:
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@BGinGA - Very nice write-up about RHC vs THC differences. I generally agree with you.

Because I could... here is a Paulson weight comparison for a stack of 20 chips of each type (using my postal scale) (grams) (+-0.75 grams):

5 WTHC (Suits) (very good condition (vgc)) : 176
25 WTHC (Suits) (vgc) : 197
100 WTHC (Suits) (vgc) : 190
500 WTHC (Suits) (vgc) : 182

$1 HS Cleveland (THC) (used) : 197
$5 HS Cleveland primary (RHC) (used) : 190
$5 HS Cleveland commemorative (RHC) (used) : 173
$25 HS Cleveland secondary (RHC (new) : 191

5 Fun Nite (THC) (vgc) : 211

$1 '98 CDI (THC) (mint) : 186
$5 '98 CDI (THC) (mint) : 189
$25 '98 CDI (THC) (mint) : 197
$100 '98 CDI (THC) (mint) : 193
$500 '98 CDI (THC) (mint) : 199​

Fun Nite is clearly the heaviest.

Unfortunately, I only have 3 types of RHC chips to compare. I was surprised to learn how light the $5 HS commemorative is. I checked it three times to confirm I had 20 chips in the stack...
 
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bullets said:
@BGinGA - Very nice write-up about RHC vs THC differences. I generally agree with you.

Because I could... here is a Paulson weight comparison for a stack of 20 chips of each type (using my postal scale) (grams) (+-0.75 grams):

5 WTHC (Suits) (very good condition (vgc)) : 176
25 WTHC (Suits) (vgc) : 197
100 WTHC (Suits) (vgc) : 190
500 WTHC (Suits) (vgc) : 182

$1 HS Cleveland (THC) (used) : 197
$5 HS Cleveland primary (RHC) (used) : 190
$5 HS Cleveland commemorative (RHC) (used) : 173
$25 HS Cleveland secondary (RHC (new) : 191

5 Fun Nite (THC) (vgc) : 211

$1 '98 CDI (THC) (mint) : 186
$5 '98 CDI (THC) (mint) : 189
$25 '98 CDI (THC) (mint) : 197
$100 '98 CDI (THC) (mint) : 193
$500 '98 CDI (THC) (mint) : 199​

Fun Nite is clearly the heaviest.

Unfortunately, I only have 3 types of RHC chips to compare. I was surprised to learn how light the $5 HS commemorative is. I checked it three times to confirm I had 20 chips in the stack...
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The other thing to remember is that not all THC chips are created equal. As BG said, they stopped putting lead in their clay in the mid nineties, but they continue to produce THC chips. So the Cleveland Horseshoe $1's aren't full of lead.
And a huge thing for me is the textured inlays. The glossy inlays on the Cleveland Horseshoe $1's just feel cheaper to me. I haven't figured out why some THC chips have textured inlays and others don't. I believe it to be a feature of the mold. But I have no idea if it's a lcv/scv thing or if the molds changed at some point or what. But from what I can tell, most of the recently produced THC chips do not have textured inlays.
 
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Good point on the inlays. Of the chips weighed above, only the '98 CDI have textured inlays.

Since they weight the most, I asume the Fun Nites have lead in them, right?

Althought i would also prefer a textured inlay, the $1HS cleveland, is a very nice compromise of basic thc feel, weight, and price. I use these regularly in my cash games. (Btw. I am looking for 140+ more of theses chips at a good price. In case anyone has some to sell...)

Chubbyone, I hope this discussion is helping your decision. Good luck with your search! NOTE: There is a fresh used Paulson casino chip sale at thechiproom on 10/8. If you like the chips style, then it is a great opportunity. Unfortunately, all of them are RHC...
 
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bullets said:
Good point on the inlays. Of the chips weighed above, only the '98 CDI have textured inlays.

Since they weight the most, I asume the Fun Nites have lead in them, right?

Althought i would also prefer a textured inlay, the $1HS cleveland, is a very nice compromise of basic thc feel, weight, and price. I use these regularly in my cash games. (Btw. I am looking for 140+ more of theses chips at a good price. In case anyone has some to sell...)

Chubbyone, I hope this discussion is helping your decision. Good luck with your search! NOTE: There is a fresh used Paulson casino chip sale at thechiproom on 10/8. If you like the chips style, then it is a great opportunity. Unfortunately, all of them are RHC...
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This is more than I could have hoped this thread would achieve. I did/have been searching and reading, but as you know it’s best when answers are fresh and specific.

It seems I sort of lucked out in feeling the HS Cleveland’s 1 as the first Paulson, and expected them all to feel that way... If I’m reading and comprehending correctly though, since it’s newer THC it might not be as different from RHC in practice.

Decisions decisions.

Please, keep the info rolling in, loving all the opinions. Much appreciated!
 
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BGinGA said:
Well, I would notice. :LOL: :laugh:

The differences between the two molds are huge, imo. So much so, that I sold off my last two RHC sets last month, but still have 20+ THC sets in the collection. *

The THC mold offers these advantages:
  • concentric outer circle that helps protects the edge from breakage
  • smaller inlay area ('standard' inlay size) resulting in larger amount of surface contact area between chips
  • more likely to contain high amounts of lead (most were manufactured prior to the clay formula changes to reduce lead content)
  • heavier, with better feel, stacking, and sound characteristics due to all of the above
  • THC chips can have textured and real shaped inlays
  • used chips typically wear down with smooth rounded edges, due to high lead content and mold design features
The RHC mold offers these disadvantages:
  • no protective outer circle, resulting in common breakage where the hats are close to the chip edge
  • larger inlay area ('grand' inlay size, or worse) resulting in smaller amount of surface contact area between chips
  • lighter weight due to lead-free clay formula used since 2007 (formula transitioned between 1999-2007)
  • glossy inlay lamination with no real shaped inlays (only fake 'printed' shapes, usually with poor color-matching)
  • used chips are typically nicked and flea-bitten, due to lead-free formula and the mold design flaw (some also claim that heavily used RHC chips feel like plastic)
So yes, they look different, feel different, sound and play differently, and wear differently. I would notice. :LOL: :laugh: YMMV, so get samples. Lots of samples. Enough to shuffle and play around with, so you can make an informed decision on what really appeals to you, before you start shelling out big bucks for chips you eventually decide you don't really like.

I also would never intentionally build a mixed set containing both molds. It still tilts me to this day that my Aztar Caruthersville ($5) and PCA ($1) sets have a wayward RHC chips in the middle of their otherwise all-THC mold lineup -- I use the PCA $5 in my Aztar set, and the Aztar $1 in my PCA set. Doing so doesn't tilt me during play, and lets me sleep better at night. ;)


* Par-A-Dice, Casino Aztar Evansville, Aces Casino, Grand Victoria, Terrible's (all four sets), Oak Tree Casino, Good Luck Club, Double Down Saloon, Mesquite Star, Sunset Junction.... I sold all of those sets, primarily due to them being produced on the RHC mold. Not even great inlay designs, edge spots, or color combinations could overcome the underlying mold inadequacies, at least not to me. And there are lots of sets I did not purchase at all, due to them being on the RHC mold (Horseshoe Cleveland and Cincinnati being among the most recent, but there have been plenty of others I passed on, too).
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This is extremely helpful. Bookmarked this.
 
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Burke said:
Looks like the HP set is no longer available. Here is another great thread of old THC cheap chips.
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I did see the HP set is pending/sold.

That second set is certainly in similar condition, and better pricing... I’m still waiting on someone to chime in on whether “worn” condition makes more aesthetic difference or more feel difference, or both. I know the short answer is both, but in practice, how much worse do the worn chips feel? Need a member that’s fondled more to chime in...
 
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chubbyone said:
THC are gonna demand a higher price.
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That is generally true, for the reasons stated in my previous post. Rarity, condition, inlay design, and spot/color combinations also play a factor in chip set value, regardless of mold.


chubbyone said:
One other question that came up, was about a set of heavily used (bicycle tire status) chips. Do a lot of those THC advantages start to diminish when you get past used and enter what I’d likely call “worn” condition?
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I learned long ago that I don't like casino-worn chips, or even slightly-used. As a result, all of my sets start out as mint or near-mint -- and after a few play sessions, they become the 'perfect' condition to me.

Once the edges become overly rounded and the cross-hatching and other mold details start to disappear, they no longer have any appeal to me. Those things will likely never happen in my home game (or in most people's home game, @courage excepted). The tactile and visual characteristics that make them different from non-clay chips really starts to fade.


chubbyone said:
I’m still waiting on someone to chime in on whether “worn” condition makes more aesthetic difference or more feel difference, or both. I know the short answer is both, but in practice, how much worse do the worn chips feel? Need a member that’s fondled more to chime in...
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Imo, they feel a LOT worse, to the point where I've sold off nearly every single set that wasn't in at least excellent condition. Again, YMMV, but to me, there is simply no comparison.


My name is Dave, and I'm a chipoholic and admitted chip snob. Much happier after I embraced that fact instead of trying to find financial ways around it. :) Don't settle.
 
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I have 200 HS $1 and 200 HS $5 for 118 plus shipping rack. Used condition
 

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Pairzilla said:
I have 200 HS $1 and 200 HS $5 for 118 plus shipping rack. Used condition
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I appreciate the offer, but in my limited experience, it seems your valuation is a bit above market value. A brief search of the previous for sale threads shows this. I’m willing to pay a premium over initial chip-room price if I have to, but not $1.18 per chip for these.
 
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