Paulson TH&C indentification and amount produced. (1 Viewer)

[MatB]

So,

I have 2 newbie questions regarding Paulsons.


First:

Is there a resource to see how many chips are made for each mold/ line of home chips casino chips?
They must have an idea how many PCR's, classics or whatever were made.

It occurred to me only because i could probably gauge my value vs interest in a particular chip if i knew there were say 1 million classics made vs. a 100,000 .

Also it would just be interesting to know if they made XX number of this or that...

Second Question:

After looking at a few sets of chips i noticed nearly (probably ) All the home game chips from Paulson have the Hat and Cane mold with the cane facing to the right.

Nearly all the casino chips i've seen have the cane facing to the left or a mix of both.

Is this a general rule of thumb, or am i way off? So if i see a mold with cane facing right (not a mix of both) its probably a home set?

thanks,

Matt.

 

[sleepypiggly]

Yes, if the tip of the cane faces right, it’s a non-casino chip. This mold (with the “PAULSON CHIPS” lettering) used to be for the home market, but now they use it on manufacturer sample chips.

Paulson casino chips – other than house molds (casino’s own lettering), there are 5 main hat & cane mold chips.
1) Short cane version (SCV), 39mm chip
2) Long cane version (LCV), 39mm
3) Reverse hat & cane (RHC), 39mm
4) Inverted hat & cane (IHC), 43mm
5) Reverse hat & cane (RHC) – some call this Fat hat & cane, 48mm.

RHC is the most modern mold and it’s the most prevalent in today’s casinos. There are 8 hat & canes, 7 of them with canes facing left, and one of them facing right. There are 2 sizes of these chips, the standard 39mm and the oversized 48mm.

SCV and LCV – older mold but still used. 8 hat & canes, tip of cane all facing left. SCV has a shorter cane, LCV has a longer cane, but both are longer than the RHC mold cane.

IHC – for 43mm chips only, the hat & canes are inverted, meaning the top of the hat faces towards the center of the chip.

Paulson home chips – they made a special mold when they re-entered into the home market years back, starting with the Paulson Pharaoh’s line. This mold has the lettering PAULSON CHIPS, with 2 hat & canes on there in reverse direction (tip of cane facing right).

RHC

LCV

SCV

PAULSON CHIPS mold, IHC (43mm), and RHC (48mm)

 

[MatB]

Thanks Sleepypiggy.

That was an educational flash card.

 

[sleepypiggly]

One more mold I forgot to mention. Paulson also have "denom" or "value" molds. They offer it as a standard mold for casinos that don't have their own molds as extra security for higher value chips.

There are 4 hat & canes. Half of them face left, half of them face right.

 

[MatB]

Shows both left and right on that chip.

I also notice on the "fantasy" casino chips they face left also.

 

[sleepypiggly]

Shows both left and right on that chip.

I also notice on the "fantasy" casino chips they face left also.

Yea, I realized as soon as I wrote that and edited the post.

Paulson used to sell custom chips to the home market on their standard casino molds. Most of those fantasy chips were made during that time period. This predates the PAULSON CHIPS mold.

 

[MatB]

Nice.

Thanks for the in depth answers.

Any idea about quantities produced?

 

[sleepypiggly]

Nice.

Thanks for the in depth answers.

Any idea about quantities produced?

That’s a tough one. The only sure way is to look through Paulson’s production records... which we obviously don't have access to.

For older pre-Pharaoh’s fantasy chips, only Paulson knows how many were produced, since they were the copyright holder of those chips.

For Pharaoh’s and after, you would have to ask the copyright owner of any one particular line of chips produced. For example, say Greg @ chiptalk would know how many Pharaoh’s chips were ordered, and possibly any subsequent runs to distributors. Josh @ Apache might know how many Avalon chips were ordered, etc.

 

[sleepypiggly]

BTW, the quantity of fantasy chips produced is not really of much concern to most people. They have no particular collector’s value, at least not nearly as much as real obsolete casino chips.

Collectors really care about quantity of obsolete casino chips out there. One can pay $1000 for a rare chip, and then years later find out there’s a rack of them found in someone's basement now up for sale. Now his $1000 chip is worth $100, maybe $20.

 

[MatB]

BTW, the quantity of fantasy chips produced is not really of much concern to most people. They have no particular collector’s value, at least not nearly as much as real obsolete casino chips.

Collectors really care about quantity of obsolete casino chips out there. One can pay $1000 for a rare chip, and then years later find out there’s a rack of them found in someone's basement now up for sale. Now his $1000 chip is worth $100, maybe $20.

That makes sense.
I don't think i'll be collecting to invest.
More gathering playable sets that i like.Interesting to see what this market is doing. I only purchased first home Paulsons (classics) in September this year, and already it seems like a crazy market, even for home Paulsons.

I'm wondering if people now treating home Paulsons more like casino chips as there won't be any more made. But there must have been a boatload more made. especially of the Classics, JBs, and Worlds.

 

[BGinGA]

Nice write-up, sleepypiggly!

Paulson casino chips – other than house molds (casino’s own lettering), there are 5 main hat & cane mold chips.

One more mold I forgot to mention. Paulson also have "denom" or "value" molds.

Paulson home chips – they made a special mold when they re-entered into the home market years back, starting with the Paulson Pharaoh’s line. This mold has the lettering PAULSON CHIPS, with 2 hat & canes on there in reverse direction (tip of cane facing right).

You also forgot the 8th Paulson mold: the card pip mold, commonly referred to as 'suits'. First used on the Pharaoh's Club no-denom home chips, later used for Paulson's World TH&C home chips. Also used to produce Private Cardroom, Avalon Club, High Roller, Grand Cardroom, and other semi-custom hot-stamps for ApachePokerChips.

The mold contains four sets of card suits (spade,diamond,club,heart) with each set separated by a single Hat and Cane with right-facing cane.

There is also a ninth Paulson mold: the paradise mold (sometimes referred to as the pineapple mold), which was used for the le Paulson noir series of home poker chips produced by Sidepot. The mold contains no hats/canes, and was only used for the one chip line.

 

[BGinGA]

And there were at least three other molds used by Paulson to produce chips: the web mold, the Paulson diamond mold, and the butt-ugly-inlay Paulson Poker Chips mold (not to be confused with the PAULSON CHIPS mold).

And don't forget about these new beauties:

 

[sleepypiggly]

Brain fart, so many home paulson molds I missed! Interestingly, those have 4 canes w/ tips all facing right.

What was that butt ugly Paulson chips mold? Doesn't come to mind.

I think those premium decors use the regular THC (or SCV) mold for the 39mm chips, and the IHC for the 43mm chips.

 

[BGinGA]

I searched for a bit, but couldn't find it.

I think the company name was Paulson Poker Chips, and they were producing a half-dozen designs all of which were butt-ugly. I think the chips may have been oversize, all had 414 or 514 white spots (regardless of base color), and they were only available in 1-5-25-100 denominations. The mold design itself was okay, but the rest of the project reeked.

They appeared on CT one day, got a lot of feedback, and disappeared. Resurfaced a few months later under new management singing a different tune, and promptly disappeared again.

Maybe somebody else around here kept samples or pics.

 

[sleepypiggly]

I remember now. It was the PAULSON PRO SERIES mold, introduced in 2012.

 

[pltrgyst]

....RHC is the most modern mold and it’s the most prevalent in today’s casinos. There are 8 hat & canes, 7 of them with canes facing left, and one of them facing right.

Not 6 and 2?

 

[BGinGA]

I remember now. It was the PAULSON PRO SERIES mold, introduced in 2012.

Yep, that's it !! Looks like 618 spots.... my memory is starting to fail me, and in the span of just 12 months - I posted this last December:

http://www.pokerchipforum.com/threa...what-are-these-abbreviations.4247/#post-22282

The company was paulsonpoker.com, and the chips were 41mm.


And we both overlooked the Paulson 50mm crest & seal mold (smooth, no mold markings):

 

[sleepypiggly]

Not 6 and 2?

I'm full of misinformation, it seems.

Yes, on the 39mm it's 6 left and 2 right. On the 48mm it's 7 left and 1 right.

 

[sleepypiggly]

And we both overlooked the Paulson 50mm crest & seal mold (smooth, no mold markings):

Isn't that just called the plain mold? Why is it called crest & seal?

And I think we forgot the Roulette mold.

 

[BGinGA]

lol, yeah I always forget the ROULETTE mold. It's pretty forgetable.

Paul-Son has always referred to the 50mm plain mold as 'crest & seal'. No idea why, although there were other chips made in the early 20th century that were called crest & seal, and they didn't have any markings either. Paulson/GPI's internal paperwork also refers to the suits mold as the 'card pip' mold, but very few people call it that.

 

[sleepypiggly]

It appears that Paulson also made a 43mm PAULSON CHIPS mold (see lower left chip). I don’t remember ever seeing them on home poker chip lines though.

 

[BGinGA]

That makes 15 by my count, excluding the new premium decor ring molds.

 

[stocky]

That makes 15 by my count, excluding the new premium decor ring molds.

Is the decor ring actually a mold or a new inlay style?

 

[sleepypiggly]

Is the decor ring actually a mold or a new inlay style?

My opinion is that it's just a new inlay. The molds themselves are consistent with the SCV (39mm) and IHC (43mm) top hat & canes.

 

[luckbox]

excellent thread, thanks for the info..(y) :thumbsup:...

you know that decor ring mold is so ugly it then looks sort of hot looking..:
maybe the should have named it the Mr. T mold

 

[BGinGA]

Is the decor ring actually a mold or a new inlay style?

Hard to say. Depends on how they manufacture the chips.

If they crop out the donut from the base chip material and replace it with the acrylic decor ring, then the original THC molds are probably used. But it's possible that entirely new molds were required to produce the new design, even if they mimic the 'all-clay' THC molds in style.

 

[sleepypiggly]

Hard to say. Depends on how they manufacture the chips.

If they crop out the donut from the base chip material and replace it with the acrylic decor ring, then the original THC molds are probably used. But it's possible that entirely new molds were required to produce the new design, even if they mimic the 'all-clay' THC molds in style.

Ah, now I see what you’re getting at. Possible. I’m not sure if the jeton/plaque material is soft enough to be pressed like a normal chip. Was told offhand that production of these chips involved some new processes and were expensive.

I’m also not 100% sure that it is a “donut.” Looking at the design and weight, I’m inclined to think that it’s probably a donut, but unless the center inlay is peeled back I won’t know for sure. I’m too cheap to destroy a chip to find out though. These are expensive chips.

 

[ChipEnvy]

Wouldn't the Pineapple and Paulson Pro Series molds be considered the same as a house mold? They were a custom mold made for one line of chips... Just a thought.

 

[BGinGA]

Perhaps for the paradise mold, but several different inlay versions were offered on the Paulson Pro Series mold.

 

[mike32]

I have a rack of 25's on the Paulson Pro Series mold that I bought off eBay a couple years ago on a whim. They are actually pretty sweet chips even though they have white spots. Myself and Detroitdad have both used them in our cash games, I think I would like a full set. They feel a little lighter than other Paulson chips I own even though they are oversized. I remember on the website I thought they were way overpriced, now I think I would pay $1.25 per chip for these no problem. Oh well, glad to have a rack.