Whats your favorite coffee? (4 Viewers)

Anyone else use the Breville Barista express and has tips on dialing it in?

Iced americano black is my drink of choice and I can pull what I would consider ok shots. They taste decent until I go to my local coffee spot and then it hits me that this is what they are actually supposed to taste like. I can’t seem to figure out how to improve where my shots are at now.

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I went own the espresso rabbit hole for a couple of years. In my brief experience, getting your shots dialed in is just a lot of trial and error pain in the butt work, because of all the variables. I found myself using my poker chip scale to weigh the beans as they went into a practically infinitely adjustable grinder and to weigh the shot as it came out, taking notes on everything and then trying again. I stopped buying different kinds of beans because I'd waste half a bag (and half of my sanity) getting things dialed in again. Good luck.
 
Anyone else use the Breville Barista express and has tips on dialing it in?

Iced americano black is my drink of choice and I can pull what I would consider ok shots. They taste decent until I go to my local coffee spot and then it hits me that this is what they are actually supposed to taste like. I can’t seem to figure out how to improve where my shots are at now.

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I have a Lelit dual boiler thinking I'd solve this dilemma and it's only occasionally that I actually get close.

The grinder on the Breville is one of the main setbacks, not that it's bad, but when you compare it to a $5-8k commercial grinder with 98mm burrs it doesn't stack up well.

Temperature stability can be an issue without a proper PID control. Especially for lighter roasts. Usually medium and darker coffees do better, so if you're struggling with a light roast you could look for something darker.

Things you can do to help improve things as much as possible. Work on puck prep. You can try using a leveler or WDT tool to break clumps if you are seeing them in the grinds. Flat even tamping. A bottomless portafilter can help show if you are getting an even extraction at the bottom.

You can mess around a bit with the grind setting, even if it's showing the needle right in the sweet spot. I've got a lot more aggressive on doing coarser, faster shots with some light roasts with much better results. (Usually around 28-35 seconds from pump on to off time.)

Lastly, good water makes a huge difference. If you're local water is hard or has a bunch of minerals in it that can really screw with flavor. You can use a softener or get freaky with distilled water and add something like third wave water to it although even I'm too lazy and cheap to do that constantly.
 
I went own the espresso rabbit hole for a couple of years. In my brief experience, getting your shots dialed in is just a lot of trial and error pain in the butt work, because of all the variables. I found myself using my poker chip scale to weigh the beans as they went into a practically infinitely adjustable grinder and to weigh the shot as it came out, taking notes on everything and then trying again. I stopped buying different kinds of beans because I'd waste half a bag (and half of my sanity) getting things dialed in again. Good luck.
Yeah I feel your pain. That’s exactly what I’ve been doing. After a long break from making my own I pulled some glorious shots…. But replication failed lmao.

Next steps I’m thinking bottomless portafilter so I can see what’s going on and maybe a better WDT. Maybe see if my coffee shop will sell me some beans too
 
Things you can do to help improve things as much as possible. Work on puck prep
Thanks for the tips. Here I was thinking this was my main issue (along with grind settings) but your saying could be machine too?

I use medium roast, leveler, WDT (but it’s super short and doesn’t reach the bottom without packing the coffee a bit), and my tamping is flat and even for sure with the tamper I use. And water, I use bottled. Maybe I could try different water too.
 
I find using a good quality filter for water works well enough for me because my local water is also pretty good.

Like @upNdown said, it's all about getting your beans dialed in on the pressure, the pull time, and the grind level to pull those consistent shots. I used my Breville daily 4-5 years ago, but because I'm a big fan of trying new beans ever month or so it became a pain trying to get the new beans dialed in each time. If you have a favorite bean and roast for the Breville that should make it a lot easier as a starting point and then slowly making some changes here and there in your equipment to get the perfect shot. I have a friend who has the same machine but has upgraded his portifilter and grinder to make some very solid shots. It is a lot of trail and error. The local coffe shops use the same machine and beans daily so they already have their stuff dialed in pretty well. I wonder if they do hvae to readjust ever so slightly with each new batch of beans.
 
I went own the espresso rabbit hole for a couple of years. In my brief experience, getting your shots dialed in is just a lot of trial and error pain in the butt work, because of all the variables. I found myself using my poker chip scale to weigh the beans as they went into a practically infinitely adjustable grinder and to weigh the shot as it came out, taking notes on everything and then trying again. I stopped buying different kinds of beans because I'd waste half a bag (and half of my sanity) getting things dialed in again. Good luck.
Sounds like you are hot stamping @AK Chip @Josh Kifer
 
Thanks for the tips. Here I was thinking this was my main issue (along with grind settings) but your saying could be machine too?

I use medium roast, leveler, WDT (but it’s super short and doesn’t reach the bottom without packing the coffee a bit), and my tamping is flat and even for sure with the tamper I use. And water, I use bottled. Maybe I could try different water too.
Go get a part time job at the coffee place and make them teach you while you get paid
 
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About 15 years ago, my sister-in-law bought me a fancy coffee maker as a present.

It made very good coffee, but TBH it was way more than I wanted to think about at 6 in the morning. Way too many steps and options.

And the truth is, I like middle of the road, totally unflavored, average coffee. Solid diner coffee is all I expect — not burned, not watery, plain and simple. Agent Cooper-style.

When “flavored” coffees began to become a thing in the 1990s, a journalist of my acquaintance wrote that “Coffee already has a flavor. It’s flavor is COFFEE.” Yeah, I know, there’s all kinds of beans, and roasts, etc. Just give me it straight up, no bells and whistles.

So I threw away the fancy machine after the fifth repair and umpteenth cleaning, and now use a basic coffeemaker I bought at Target ages ago. Takes supermarket preground coffee. Its most advanced feature is a mesh basket, so I don’t have to mess with paper filters. Rinses clean in about 12 seconds; that’s the most fuss that I can handle before my first cup.

Every few years it starts struggling and I have to run some vinegar through it, then I don’t have to mess with it again for another 7,000 cups.
 
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Anyone else use the Breville Barista express and have tips on dialing it in?

Iced americano black is my drink of choice and I can pull what I would consider ok shots. They taste decent until I go to my local coffee spot and then it hits me that this is what they are actually supposed to taste like. I can’t seem to figure out how to improve where my shots are at now.

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Bought some beans from my local coffee shop. Pricey, but that did the trick.

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Thanks for the tips. Here I was thinking this was my main issue (along with grind settings) but your saying could be machine too?

I use medium roast, leveler, WDT (but it’s super short and doesn’t reach the bottom without packing the coffee a bit), and my tamping is flat and even for sure with the tamper I use. And water, I use bottled. Maybe I could try different water too.
A blind shaker has been proven to improve extraction over just regular wdt.

Are you following a particular recipe? how much ground coffee in and how much liquid out and over how many seconds?

If you dont follow him already Lance Hendrick on youtube is my absolute favourite coffee influencer.

Also for scales I currently own this.
https://bookoocoffee.com/products/bookoo-themis-ultra-coffee-scale
Id highly reccomend it to any coffee enthusiast.

Also if you want to upgrade your machine there is a high diffusion shower screen available for it
https://pesado585.com/collections/n...igh-diffusion-espresso-shower-screen-breville
 
A blind shaker has been proven to improve extraction over just regular wdt.

Are you following a particular recipe? how much ground coffee in and how much liquid out and over how many seconds?

If you dont follow him already Lance Hendrick on youtube is my absolute favourite coffee influencer.

Also for scales I currently own this.
https://bookoocoffee.com/products/bookoo-themis-ultra-coffee-scale
Id highly reccomend it to any coffee enthusiast.

Also if you want to upgrade your machine there is a high diffusion shower screen available for it
https://pesado585.com/collections/n...igh-diffusion-espresso-shower-screen-breville
18 in 36 out and ~30 second pull. Although with these new beans @ 30s they are too sour for my liking and I’m finding ~45s to taste better, but I seem to be getting some channeling when I prep the puck for 45s

Thanks dude I’ll check out that channel
 
18 in 36 out and ~30 second pull. Although with these new beans @ 30s they are too sour for my liking and I’m finding ~45s to taste better, but I seem to be getting some channeling when I prep the puck for 45s

Thanks dude I’ll check out that channel
interesting. Maybe you should consider the world of pour over coffee. A semi decent hand grinder and a v60 and you and can brewing tasty black coffee in no time!

Otherwise look into SPRO/SOUP shots.
 
interesting. Maybe you should consider the world of pour over coffee. A semi decent hand grinder and a v60 and you and can brewing tasty black coffee in no time!

Otherwise look into SPRO/SOUP shots.
I do enjoy a good pour over. Sometimes I’ll do cold brew as well to switch it up, but I keep finding myself coming back to shots. I’m probably just doing something wrong with these new beans but it does taste miles better than my previous shots. I hear the grinder is trash on my machine too which is what I am using.
 
I do enjoy a good pour over. Sometimes I’ll do cold brew as well to switch it up, but I keep finding myself coming back to shots. I’m probably just doing something wrong with these new beans but it does taste miles better than my previous shots. I hear the grinder is trash on my machine too which is what I am using.
the grinder is important but not as important as one may think on the smaller portafiller baskets as the puck depth starts to have an influence on the shot quality.


If you arent planning to upgade the grinder you can think about just upgrading the portafiller basket to a high extraction basket or look into a step down baskets. Reducing the diameter and increasing the depth further, will allow you to grind coarser, which will improve grind consistancy and reduce how important the grinder is in the equation.

Good luck out there. Coffee making is its own rabbit hole!
 
I highly recommend a good grinder. It makes a world of difference.

I'm not sure everyone needs a super expensive one but I find the Baratza Encore is an excellent start.
That’s the one I have and it’s been flawless the last 4 years. It’s $150 on Amazon right now too. That’s less than a moderate rack of chips!
 
I highly recommend a good grinder. It makes a world of difference.

I'm not sure everyone needs a super expensive one but I find the Baratza Encore is an excellent start.
Agreed. The latest version looks pretty nifty.

Given how much most people here have "invested" in poker chips that sit on the shelf most of the time, Im sure one can indulge on a decent grinder that will get used everyday.

I personally am waiting on the second generation scultpor 78s to be released.

Do we have any tinkerers in here? One can really go nuts, and start modding either a gaggia classic or rancilio silvia via the gaggimate project.
 
Do we have any tinkerers in here? One can really go nuts, and start modding either a gaggia classic or rancilio silvia via the gaggimate project.
I was just watching those videos on the channel you posted lol. I’m probably too new to justify that but maybe a next machine if I keep at this rate.
 
Even with all the fancy machines I got, this past year I discovered the Aeropress and haven't gone back yet. I liked it so much I even bought the XL size. When I travel I use the standard size and will pregrind some beans for the trip.

Started looking at hand manual grinders and the 1Zpresso Q is small enough that it fits in the plunger of the Aeropress.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CXCYXL91/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_2?smid=A13S3C5T1L2EWW&th=1
This is the huge difference between espresso and "pour over" style coffee. Witha relative small budget you can have world class pour over the multiple of thousands required to have world class espresso.

The caveat to espresso is that you are able to at least replicate your coffee shop experience by spending extra time and effort on puck prep that coffee shops dont, without having to invest the same amount in equipment that they have.
 
This is the huge difference between espresso and "pour over" style coffee. Witha relative small budget you can have world class pour over the multiple of thousands required to have world class espresso.

The caveat to espresso is that you are able to at least replicate your coffee shop experience by spending extra time and effort on puck prep that coffee shops dont, without having to invest the same amount in equipment that they have.
Once you unlock the Hario v60, youll never go back!
 
This is the huge difference between espresso and "pour over" style coffee. Witha relative small budget you can have world class pour over the multiple of thousands required to have world class espresso.

The caveat to espresso is that you are able to at least replicate your coffee shop experience by spending extra time and effort on puck prep that coffee shops dont, without having to invest the same amount in equipment that they have.
Very true. I do like pour over coffee as well but with the Aeropress I like that I can control the seep time before I press the plunger to extract the coffee. I've always been a big fan of french press but didn't enjoy the muddiness after a while. The Aero press like pour over gives you an incredibly crisp cup of coffee and I get the benefit of letting mine extract for a bit longer than normal :) The grinder was the most expensive part of the set up and the filters are incredibly small and cheap. My Moccamaster has been sitting idle for over a year now and the Breville 2 or 3 years idle. I feel like espressos was much more enjoyable for guests who came to hang out and wanted a cup. I've always enjoyed regular coffee more.
 
I ordered a bag of this from DrinkTrade recently and wow it’s amazing. I went into the office recently and I took some of this and my Aeropress to make some coffee for a coworker who also lives coffee. They bought a bag the next day. If you like sweet and smooth coffee. Give it a try. It’s a medium roast that has hints of milk chocolate, caramel, vanilla and nuts.

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It is a lot of trail and error. The local coffe shops use the same machine and beans daily so they already have their stuff dialed in pretty well. I wonder if they do hvae to readjust ever so slightly with each new batch of beans.
When I was a barista we would dial in sometimes twice a day. Especially during the summer as by midday the shots began to be effected by the heat. Otherwise we always dialed in when we put in a bag with a different roast date.

Id recommend if you have a bag thats roasted in the past 14 days to open it and release some of the gases or your gonna get some funky pulls. 2-3 weeks from roast is that sweet spot, but you can get similar quality outside that if you dial in.

To me the biggest factor is the grind. Constantly used grinders will obviously build up and need cleaning, but it will also create heat and now your shot is ruined. WDT probably helps with some of that, but Ive never used any of that so my bias leans toward it being unnecessary. However I cant see how it hurts, other than maybe your wallet.
 
I truly consider myself a coffee n00b but I do love my Aeropress. I have yet to try my hand at pourover but am looking it to give it a go in the future.

Check this out:

Whew, can you imagine being that kind of person getting obsessed with stuff like grind size, water temperature, coffee: water ratio, kettle physics, etc for just a damn cup of coffee?!!

NEERRRRDDDSSSSSSSSSS
[ Med/Coarse grind (11 on the Encore), 212'F, 1:16 ratio (although I like 1:15 for certain brewers), gooseneck ]

I'm always looking to get better at this so please send me your notes!
 
When I was a barista we would dial in sometimes twice a day. Especially during the summer as by midday the shots began to be effected by the heat. Otherwise we always dialed in when we put in a bag with a different roast date.
No AC where you worked? Savage!

Id recommend if you have a bag thats roasted in the past 14 days to open it and release some of the gases or your gonna get some funky pulls. 2-3 weeks from roast is that sweet spot, but you can get similar quality outside that if you dial in.
Beans that are too old can be a big issue for the home barista as they tend to buy larger quantities for the savings but then take longer to get through them ending up having to grind and brew coffee thats past its peak.

To me the biggest factor is the grind. Constantly used grinders will obviously build up and need cleaning, but it will also create heat and now your shot is ruined. WDT probably helps with some of that, but Ive never used any of that so my bias leans toward it being unnecessary. However I cant see how it hurts, other than maybe your wallet.
Modern distribution techniques have been developed for competition and for home enthusiasts who have the TIME to put in the extra effort to squeeze out that little bit extra, which doesnt translate to extra sales in a professional setting. Once you add in the obsecene amount of milk and flavourings you seem to add in the US im surprised you even bother gridning and brewing the coffee to begin with. Just throw some beans in cup, add a 1/4 gallon of hot milk and 17 different flavours and call it coffee!
 
I truly consider myself a coffee n00b but I do love my Aeropress. I have yet to try my hand at pourover but am looking it to give it a go in the future.

Check this out:

Whew, can you imagine being that kind of person getting obsessed with stuff like grind size, water temperature, coffee: water ratio, kettle physics, etc for just a damn cup of coffee?!!

NEERRRRDDDSSSSSSSSSS
[ Med/Coarse grind (11 on the Encore), 212'F, 1:16 ratio (although I like 1:15 for certain brewers), gooseneck ]

I'm always looking to get better at this so please send me your notes!

I wanted to try the Aeropress but instead I picked up an OXO Rapid Brewer a few months ago, normally do pour over but this is nice for changing things up or traveling. If you purchase from REI it comes with a nice carrying case.

 
Damnit @davislane sending me down the rabbit hole with that channel. I’m torn between buying more accessories for my BBE or dumping for a gaggia classic and grinder
 

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