Le Shuffler? (5 Viewers)

[LotsOfChips]

I see that there's an option to dispense a fully shuffled deck, rather than dispensing individual cards. How much time does it take from loading the deck to having a randomized full deck dispensed,?

 

[francoisLS]

I see that there's an option to dispense a fully shuffled deck, rather than dispensing individual cards. How much time does it take from loading the deck to having a randomized full deck dispensed,?

75 to 85 seconds (1 mn 15 to 1 mn 25).
Using LeShuffler to shuffle only, it is best to alternate between 2 decks (red/blue), all you have to do is to load the deck just used (say red) in the top loader and pick up the fresh one (blue) from the bottom tray.
You just need to push the "Shuffle" button once at the very beginning, when loading a deck for the first time, afterwards you just load and pick up.
If your game lasts more than 80s (which is generally the case), no time is wasted between rounds.

 

[Grimace]

Following

 

[Coyote]

Dimensions?

 

[Eriks]

Can the machine do multiple shuffles without a manual reload or is it supposed achieve randomization on just the one load/shuffle?

Imho the dealer function seems kinda gimmicky and redundant.

 

[BPTDirector]

Yes you can use a power bank, 45W should work, I tested this one that lasts for at least 6 hours.
https://a.co/d/a5TDXYd
Yes we will have a few machines remaining when all Kickstarter pledges are shipped.

I gave the $10 primer at the beginning and have received no further communication so am kind of pissed at you right now.

 

[LotsOfChips]

Can the machine do multiple shuffles without a manual reload or is it supposed achieve randomization on just the one load/shuffle?

It doesn't "shuffle" in the traditional sense. Instead it loads the cards into a drum with 54 slots, then spits them out on a randomized fashion.

So a single load should be just as random as multiple loads

 

[francoisLS]

Can the machine do multiple shuffles without a manual reload or is it supposed achieve randomization on just the one load/shuffle?

Imho the dealer function seems kinda gimmicky and redundant.

Hi Eriks,
After one load/shuffle you get true mathematical randomness.
Contrary to the ST 1000 or toy shufflers relying on a mechanical riffle (that needs to be repeated to get closer to random generation), LeShuffler uses true random number generation to order cards, so you get a fully random deck the first time.

Regarding the dealer function, it allows to use LeShuffler as a continuous card shuffler, so you only reload spent cards between games.
When playing poker, especially with a small number of players it massively speeds up the game - some players find value in it.

Thanks for your interest, you can find more information in the operations manual here:
https://manuals.leshuffler.com

Any other question let me know!

 

[francoisLS]

I gave the $10 primer at the beginning and have received no further communication so am kind of pissed at you right now.

Hi @BPTDirector,
Sorry to hear. Have you pledged on Kickstarter when the campaign started?
Can you DM me your email address?

 

[Eriks]

After one load/shuffle you get true mathematical randomness.
Contrary to the ST 1000 or toy shufflers relying on a mechanical riffle (that needs to be repeated to get closer to random generation), LeShuffler uses true random number generation to order cards, so you get a fully random deck the first time.

That’s great! Thanks for the info.

Regarding the dealer function, it allows to use LeShuffler as a continuous card shuffler, so you only reload spent cards between games.
When playing poker, especially with a small number of players it massively speeds up the game - some players find value in it.

I understand, I just don’t see it being anything more than an annoyance sitting on the felt spitting out cards. The shuffle part is obv great since it works in the background preparing a fresh deck for the next deal, but ”the dealer” would just get in the way. At least that’s how I’m picturing it.

 

[francoisLS]

Dimensions?

Here they are, you can find more information in the operations manual here:

https://manuals.leshuffler.com

Thanks for your interest!

 

[francoisLS]

That’s great! Thanks for the info.


I understand, I just don’t see it being anything more than an annoyance sitting on the felt spitting out cards. The shuffle part is obv great since it works in the background preparing a fresh deck for the next deal, but ”the dealer” would just get in the way. At least that’s how I’m picturing it.

Understood. I have quite a few poker playing friends who felt exactly the same... until they experienced it .

 

[Eriks]

Understood. I have quite a few poker playing friends who felt exactly the same... until they experienced it .

Fair enough, it may be unfair preconceptions along with my grumpy tendencies. I also noticed that I had already expressed my concerns/asked questions when the thread was new, sorry. I guess we can add lazy to the list of my many wonderful traits.

 

[jazzV3]

No feedback from those who received their machines???

A little strange?

 

[Coyote]

Looks like a serious machine, but still too bulky to sit on a poker table.

 

[BPTDirector]

Definitely a table space eater and no way to mount it out of the way.

 

[jazzV3]

Definitely a table space eater and no way to mount it out of the way.

We were using a side table for an ST1000.
That would have been the plan for one of these if it lived up to the hype.

This was looking promising but the lack of any feedback since they actually finally shipped is pretty disconcerting.

 

[ekricket]

We were using a side table for an ST1000.
That would have been the plan for one of these if it lived up to the hype.

This was looking promising but the lack of any feedback since they actually finally shipped is pretty disconcerting.

Maybe none shipped?

 

[jazzV3]

Maybe none shipped?

Per Francois, in this thread, at least 50 shipped before the holidays with 150 more to ship in Jan.

He mentioned and tagged two members here who had received their shuffler, @suited67 and @London24. No comment from either.
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[Eriks]

Looks like a serious machine, but still too bulky to sit on a poker table.

Definitely a table space eater and no way to mount it out of the way.

Happy to be proven wrong but I really can’t see any way around this particular issue and would love to get first hand info from people such as:

I have quite a few poker playing friends who felt exactly the same... until they experienced it

 

[francoisLS]

Per Francois, in this thread, at least 50 shipped before the holidays with 150 more to ship in Jan.

He mentioned and tagged two members here who had received their shuffler, @suited67 and @London24. No comment from either.
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Hello,
I have had direct contact with @suited67 who has received his machine, he DM'd that LeShuffler was "working great so far".
I imagine he will provide feedback to the forum when he has more perspective, but of course that's up to him.
I don't know the shipping status for @London24.
Best,
François

 

[ekricket]

Hello,
I have had direct contact with @suited67 who has received his machine, he DM'd that LeShuffler was "working great so far".
I imagine he will provide feedback to the forum when he has more perspective, but of course that's up to him.
I don't know what is the shipping status for @London24.
Best,
François

Any news on the other 48 that shipped?

 

[francoisLS]

Looks like a serious machine, but still too bulky to sit on a poker table.

Hi @Coyote and @BPTDirector,
I received some feedback from the Kickstarter backers that received their machine - only one comment on space so far, see below:

Overall, everyone felt very positive about it. The build quality was considered very good, and the design also looks very successful. (...) one more point we wanted to add. At the moment, it is not possible to tell the device that, for example, there are 4 players and it should deal all cards as a stack, meaning it keeps the cards in the device and the dealer then removes them and distributes them manually. This mattered because with 8 people at the table space was quite limited, and it was difficult for the dealer to distribute the automatically dealt cards properly. Our ideal workflow would be that the device shuffles and places the cards into the front tray, and then the dealer distributes the 4, 6, 8, 10 and so on cards needed before the flop. Unfortunately, this option does not seem to be available in the settings.

This feature has now been added in the machines we are shipping (the ones already delivered can be updated).
With this firmware update, you can either:

1. Use the machine as shuffler-only,
2. Have LeShuffler deal cards on table,
3. Or as suggested above, deal cards as a "stack" in the front tray, to be picked and pitched by the dealer.

What is great with options 2 and 3 is that they make full use of the "continuous shuffler" feature, with very little down time between rounds.

Regarding footprint, LeShuffler is 15 cm (6 in) wide - it takes less space than a player or dedicated dealer, so I suppose it is not a problem if there is space at the table, either a vacant seat or a dedicated spot for the dealer.
For a full table, @jazzV3's suggestion (using the machine as a shuffler-only on a side table, see below) should work well.

jazzV3 said:
We were using a side table for an ST1000.
That would have been the plan for one of these if it lived up to the hype.

Hope this helps, any question let me know.
Best,
François

 

[ekricket]

Hi @Coyote and @BPTDirector,
I received some feedback from the Kickstarter backers that received their machine - only one comment on space so far, see below:

This feature has now been added in the machines we are shipping (the ones already delivered can be updated).
With this firmware update, you can either:

1. Use the machine as shuffler-only,
2. Have LeShuffler deal cards on table,
3. Or as suggested above, deal cards as a "stack" in the front tray, to be picked and pitched by the dealer.

What is great with options 2 and 3 is that they make full use of the "continuous shuffler" feature, with very little down time between rounds.

Regarding footprint, LeShuffler is 15 cm (6 in) wide - it takes less space than a player or dedicated dealer, so I suppose it is not a problem if there is space at the table, either a vacant seat or a dedicated spot for the dealer.
For a full table, @jazzV3's suggestion (using the machine as a shuffler-only on a side table, see below) should work well.


Hope this helps, any question let me know.
Best,
François

Are there any pictures of a completed unit? Doesn’t have to have been shipped. I’m not sure I ever saw a picture of anything finished

 

[francoisLS]

I gave the $10 primer at the beginning and have received no further communication so am kind of pissed at you right now.

Hi Jim,
Having checked, you did pay the $10 pre-reservation but did not pledge on Kickstarter finally.
You seem dissatisfied, is there any way I can help?
Best,
François

 

[francoisLS]

Are there any pictures of a completed unit? Doesn’t have to have been shipped. I’m not sure I ever saw a picture of anything finished

Hi @ekricket,

I attach pictures of the production device (one in situation, for scale)

Best,

François

 

[Baldeagle9]

Looking at it on the table in the pic above, I know it's 6 inches but it looks huge. In the way of dealers right arm, interesting how he'd have to reach out to the middle of the table to pitch the cards to the players on the right side. It could be a great machine, I just think from seeing this pic of it used in play that it definitely needs to be on a side table or have a seat empty next to the dealer to place it Parallel up against the rail out of the way. Not knocking it, it could shuffle better than Shuffle Tech but there are some issues just as there are with the Shuffle Tech's noise. Question now that Kick starter over what's the retail price now If someone wanted one.

 

[suited67]

I will be completing a review soon and posting it here

Thanks Jeff

 

[phcjpp]

Mine just arrived today also!
Chris

 

[jazzV3]

Mine just arrived today also!
Chris

Looking forward to a review