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Scammed by USPS? (4 Viewers)
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acezag
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I hate to keep repeating myself, but for anyone who has dealt with a narcissist, the answer is painfully clear. (And I'm not saying I know whether anyone involved is one). Narcissists literally live in a different reality where everything they do - no matter how fucking terrible or self-serving - results in them being the victim or the hero.
Folks who haven't dealt with one personally don't understand. Those who have, understand implicitly.
ekricket
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36 of the posts so far in this thread.Well, you were politely asked
About 10% of the posts in this thread are by one person that fits the description. He will be the victim shortly, as predictable as the sun rising.
SuckoutKing
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Been following this thread since yesterday. Heard all the angles and theories. But a huge red flag for me is why the seller didn't take pictures and text them or PM after boxing up a $5,000 chip deal. At the very least giving the buyer peace of mind that the packages are well protected and tapped properly. 2nd no insurance? On a deal that big it's worth the extra $50-$100 isn't it? Lastly, the seller needs to refund the money 100% or at minimum send it to a third-party.
200 Motels
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I don't know how viable this is or if this was mentioned but there are likely finger prints on the reams of paper. $5000 is a lot of cheese.
You realize chat gpt scours the web for answers and is likely finding them here, hence the regurgitation
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I mean.. there's really no other way to fake it as a seller and get the funds other than straight up ghosting (which makes a very clear smoking gun). This is by and large the most "textbook" route IMO.
With USPS, I actually think that insuring the package makes it MORE likely that the package won’t be delivered as intended. If a USPS worker picks up a super heavy box, they might think it’s books or something like that. But if it insured for $5000, it makes it much more enticing to find a way to take it. Deliver it with their porch pirate friend following the USPS truck, or empty the contents and deliver an empty (or paper-filled) box. Whatever. But I just personally don’t feel like it’s a great idea to put a big sign on the box that says, “$5000 in here”, then hand it over to a system with all kinds of potential theft.
I trust UPS and FedEx more. Still not sure I want to paint that “Valuables in here” sign on the side of the box, when there are ways to steal it and not pay out.
^This
justsomedude
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Yea. This one still grates at me.
Everyone has a camera on their phone. Heck - I take photos of $38 restaurant receipts to make sure I don’t get scammed by a waiter altering the $7 tip I wrote in later.
Who’s not taking pics of a $5000 package?
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Video documentation packing it and unpacking it has been recommended to me by numerous collectors via PM. Lesson learned. Worse part is one of the boxes was broken open enough that I could see in and notice paper. @ the time I considered it to be warneke boxes for packing. A bit of a panic sent in and I ripped them open immediately to discover paper lol
The entire insurance option is absolutely debatable. My
most valuable sets I’ve bought I’ve shipped FedEx. But def a quick iPhone video record packing and unpacking is easy enough.
Lastly, I always take a photo of the box completely taped up with tracking code at the post office.
The entire insurance option is absolutely debatable. My
most valuable sets I’ve bought I’ve shipped FedEx. But def a quick iPhone video record packing and unpacking is easy enough.
Lastly, I always take a photo of the box completely taped up with tracking code at the post office.
doughboy63
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As a seller, I did not take pics of a $4k package I sent out last week. Never crossed my mind. After reading this, I took way too many pictures of the packing process of a similar priced package I mailed yesterday lol. It makes sense, never crossed my mind before. Not defending space monkey at all, let that be known
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When I bought the Oceansides he did take a video of dropping it off @ post office.
doughboy63
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This is even more evidence against him! If he has taken the time to prove he is sending something before and then doesn’t….
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idk we all can forget a step in the process tbh. Just funny he did before. I don’t think it defines anything else.
Seeking Alpha Social Club
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Damn it....I tried to avoid this thread. But it's too juicy. 
I have no idea who is at fault, but I do have a serious question. How many people have this many reams of paper laying around their house? I suppose he could have used the Church's paper, but this is a shit ton of paper for one household.
Also, @ekricket ...you're going to hell.
I have no idea who is at fault, but I do have a serious question. How many people have this many reams of paper laying around their house? I suppose he could have used the Church's paper, but this is a shit ton of paper for one household.
Also, @ekricket ...you're going to hell.
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100%. Whether it’s true or not (insured packages more likely to be stolen), it’s a natural feeling of discomfort.
If I sold off my collection today, I absolutely would post on each sale that:
1 - I’d prefer to insure the packages through a 3rd party provider like Secursus and I would cover half the insurance cost personally (usps is not made aware of the packages insurance if it’s standalone 3rd party).
2 - If they choose to not insure with shared cost, I will still of course attempt to remediate any postal/delivery issues that may arise, I’ll likely split the loss in half, but also reserve the right to wash my hands of financial responsibility once dropped off.
(Btw, I’ve never found a 3rd party shipping company that is cost effective with fantastic reviews. They all have horror stories of not accepting claims.)
KingWithTheAxe
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It does not matter who placed the paper in the boxes.
The failure to fully secure the boxes with tape circumferentially, in all directions, is a critical seller failure. A failure led to the potential (<0.01%) for a mail stream employee to swap the contents. The failure to adequately secure the contents, irregardless of who is responsible for the paper, should result in the complete loss for the seller. That tape job is the fault of the seller, and he should bear all the responsibility.
The money should be refunded at once, I can assure you no buyer would have approved of the shipment with that pathetic, lazy, and downright negligent packaging.
The failure to fully secure the boxes with tape circumferentially, in all directions, is a critical seller failure. A failure led to the potential (<0.01%) for a mail stream employee to swap the contents. The failure to adequately secure the contents, irregardless of who is responsible for the paper, should result in the complete loss for the seller. That tape job is the fault of the seller, and he should bear all the responsibility.
The money should be refunded at once, I can assure you no buyer would have approved of the shipment with that pathetic, lazy, and downright negligent packaging.
It does not do so live. New information is only integrated when they fully retrain the model. If @Cratty already asked ChatGpt about the situation then it would have the information from that prompt and might regurgitate it into this prompt but it won’t have it from other people already have asked.
Damn it....I tried to avoid this thread. But it's too juicy.
I have no idea who is at fault, but I do have a serious question. How many people have this many reams of paper laying around their house? I suppose he could have used the Church's paper, but this is a shit ton of paper for one household.
Also, @ekricket ...you're going to hell.
I'll pray for you.
Anthony Martino
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This thread is just trying to steal attention away from the Will Kassouf drama
If you buy labels through a service like Pirate Ship or Shippo or Shipstation, the insurance you buy is through a third party and USPS (or UPS or FedEx) workers would not be able to tell if a package is insured or for how much.
KingWithTheAxe
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Shameless thread hijack… if you buy labels, consider buying them from me! I’ll bet any price on cases of 4x6 (or any other size)
To clarify, I mean postage or shipping fees. But I’m intrigued, will reach out by PM.
Colquhoun
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I don’t understand how pictures make any difference. Someone looking to scam can take pictures of the whole process, then send something else. Even a video showing the packing doesn’t guarantee anything.
Pure speculation here, and perhaps even far fetched. However, IF this were a case of a USPS worker stealing it, wouldn’t it stand to reason that it would require some inside knowledge (considering there were 2 discrete packages).
Either someone at monkeys local PO or Booyah’s local PO that knows they ship/receive valuable packages?
I don’t see how this logically happens “in route” unless someone was tipped off by someone from Monkey’s PO.
It would have to be either the start or the end of the chain where someone knows these guys ship/receive valuable stuff AND where the 2 packages have the most likely chance of being together at the same time.
But then Why refill with paper vs just stealing the package and how would anyone know there are 2 packages…
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Either someone at monkeys local PO or Booyah’s local PO that knows they ship/receive valuable packages?
I don’t see how this logically happens “in route” unless someone was tipped off by someone from Monkey’s PO.
It would have to be either the start or the end of the chain where someone knows these guys ship/receive valuable stuff AND where the 2 packages have the most likely chance of being together at the same time.
But then Why refill with paper vs just stealing the package and how would anyone know there are 2 packages…
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