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Scammed by USPS? (2 Viewers)

doublebooyah85 said:
Because he walks away with no consequence. And if I ever need to make a claim again with my credit card they may deny it and red flag my acct and close it.

They may not even go after PayPal or him and just write it off since I’m a good customer.
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I believe PayPal will pay your cc and then charge spacemonkey. If theres a debt theyll prob sell it to collections and spacemoney will get lots of phonecalls and it will be on his credit rating if that matters so there will be consequences with the CC. My source is Ive heard about people with negative paypal balances.
 
Whelp. Guess the only interesting part left is what happens to his account here and PCF.

The PCF admin @Tommy has already posted and while saying he doesn’t want to provide his 2 cents, he made his position pretty well apparent.

Curious if someone who refuses to pay or assist in a large financial transaction is able to keep their account here.
 
MC_CPA said:
I believe PayPal will pay your cc and then charge spacemonkey. If theres a debt theyll prob sell it to collections and spacemoney will get lots of phonecalls and it will be on his credit rating if that matters so there will be consequences with the CC. My source is Ive heard about people with negative paypal balances.
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Yes. But….that doesn’t hurt spacemonkey.

It appears that the focus/goal has moved from recooperating financial losses easily and more so to spacemonkey facing penalty.

Which, completely in Craig’s rights. He has a right to be pissed, I would think most would agree, and how he handles it is completely up to him.
 
BarrieJ3 said:
Yes. But….that doesn’t hurt spacemonkey.

It appears that the focus/goal has moved from recooperating financial losses easily and more so to spacemonkey facing penalty.

Which, completely in Craig’s rights. He has a right to be pissed, I would think most would agree, and how he handles it is completely up to him.
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Both are important.

Should have taken my 50/50 offer. I’ve had too many PCF members PM that we need to make sure this isn’t tolerated. Full postal investigation incoming and everything I can do to hold him accountable or do what’s right.

Don’t understand why he won’t send at minimal the money to a third party. Wait, yes I do…

Again I said I thought Mike @SpaceMonkey420 was a good guy, and he still has time (little it may be) to do what’s right…or even what’s simply fair.
 
doublebooyah85 said:
Both are important.

Should have taken my 50/50 offer. I’ve had too many PCF members PM that we need to make sure this isn’t tolerated. Full postal investigation incoming and everything I can do to hold him accountable or do what’s right.

Don’t understand why he won’t send at minimal the money to a third party. Wait, yes I do…

Again I said I thought Mike @SpaceMonkey420 was a good guy, and he still has time (little it may be) to do what’s right…or even what’s simply fair.
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100% fair Craig.
 
doublebooyah85 said:
My 50/50 offer stands. Buyer and seller take half the responsibility. Even that he turned down and also won’t send money to a third-party. His response was he’s out of a poker chip set lol.
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Uhhh he's not 'out' anything... since he has your $5k, and is still allegedly in possession of the chips, right? Or am I missing something?

OK I tried to be neutral and give him the benefit of the doubt but I'm now 99% sure you've been scammed. Now I'm feeling very pissed off.

Honestly, offering to split the liability is extraordinarily generous of you. And he declines?!?!?!

The dude had an out... he could ship the $2500 and wash his hands of this (aside form the damage to his reputation of course). Instead, the most likely outcome is you're going to get your money back and a very serious debt collector (PayPal) is going to be coming after him for the full $5k.

@SpaceMonkey420 consider your options and the position you're in, man.
 
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doublebooyah85 said:
He’s more concerned that he’s gonna have a hard time selling his existing chips sets now and he will have to use a third-party to sell them.

I asked for a refund 3 times, and he finally responded back he didn’t feel comfortable because he’s out of a poker set. Da fuq.
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Have you asked him point blank whether he packed and handed over the HSI chips to a postal employee to be delivered to you?

It’s absolutely unconscionable at this point to have not come out and said point blank that he is 100% sure the HSI chips were in the boxes when he dropped them off.

@SpaceMonkey420 has been very careful to not deny anything, and to totally avoid using the word “chips.”
 
Good lord I need to throw my phone in the trash, obviously my post count in this thread is unneeded. Maybe I feel close to the topic, who knows.

I guess maybe I should move more towards PMs and my words would carry more weight than my spam posts here but.....@doublebooyah85 it's beyond bizarre that PCF members are pming you to make sure this ends with Spacemonkey being held responsible in the eyes of the law or otherwise. It's beyond bizarre that they think:
doublebooyah85 said:
we need to make sure this isn’t tolerated
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You're well to do, brand new family, etc. They feel that you personally need to see this through so that justice is carried out? If you feel that's the right path forward, by all means. But you carrying that weight and burden to attempt to bring someone to justice legally for potential fraud......is a lot and nonsensical.

It really makes no sense, since literally no one but you would benefit from the closure that would bring. The only thing that others here would benefit from is making sure this isn't tolerated here, which would be achieved through contacting or requesting assistance from @Tommy and friends. Plus, it's a longer road towards you actually being made whole.

Spacemonkey being held legally accountable is not going to make the next scammer think twice before doing something on PCF, if they even ever became aware of this specific situation and thread in the sea of PCF.

If it's simply out of "I gave this guy the easiest out ever and that mfer seriously wants to fully screw me?!" - then I'm all for it. If it's the PCF lawyers near you and morality police that go after people on facebook and work for their actions on PCF pushing you to do it, well I guess I'd wonder if they have your personal best interests at heart.

Good luck either way!

edit to add - if this guy did choose to scam you, it's EXTREMELY apparent it was done from a place of desperation. He didn't scam 50 people, he took a high end shot that would be quick and easy to get what he needed to get past whatever hump was immediately in front of him. Blows that it's you he left hanging.

Add to that a very long, established history of extremely odd behavior that often times has indicated specific types of issues being irrational, quick to take action, rambling and incoherent, all resulting in a sudden change when finding a higher power.

Those two things put together, and adding someone now taking action that could directly impugn him? Plus the fact that his responses have made it clear he feels slighted and character assassinated?

Maybe it's just me, but those people in your ear privately pushing you down that path.....naw. I'd get your money back and let the faceless companies seek the retribution, where it's not directly tied to your name and you being the one pushing the narrative and actions against him.
 
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Moxie Mike said:
I've never printed my own stickers... I always just take them to USPS to ship at the counter. But if you dropped off a package that said 20 lbs and it was obviously light, one would assume a worker would notice.
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i always print my own labels, because fuck any extra time at the post office. so when you use click-to-ship flat rate on usps.com, they don't even ask for a weight, so there is nothing to even put on the label. that is why earlier in this thread i assumed there was no weight on the labels.

but apparently that is not the case if you do it at the post office.
 
raynmanas said:
i always print my own labels, because fuck any extra time at the post office. so when you use click-to-ship flat rate on usps.com, they don't even ask for a weight, so there is nothing to even put on the label. that is why earlier in this thread i assumed there was no weight on the labels.

but apparently that is not the case if you do it at the post office.
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When I print labels with pirate ship it asks for weight. Don’t know much much they use or care if it’s accurate though
 
toothpic said:
When I print labels with pirate ship it asks for weight. Don’t know much much they use or care if it’s accurate though
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it's not relevant here and i don't meant to threadjack - but this is also the case for priority flat rate?
 
TheTrout said:
with no clear denial
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(Many people have said this, Trout, I’m not singling you out, just borrowing the quote)

Here’s what I don’t get. I understand how you could read into the responses. And I’m not defending or prosecuting here. I’m just curious why everybody attaches so much importance to the lack of a denial, or the lack of confirmation that he actually handed the chips to the PO. For all the people who have formed an opinion, would a denial have changed your opinion?

I suppose this is more of a philosophical question. But what does the guy stand to gain by not denying it? Like, you don’t actually believe he’s sleazy enough to pull this scam, but somehow too honest to lie about it? And it’s not like he’s under oath here or on his text messages, where a perjury would make his situation any worse. This is an academic question - if the guy has nothing to gain by not denying it, why do people attach so much importance to the lack of a denial?

And again, this isn’t devils advocate crap; I’m not taking or begging any position here. I’m just trying to understand the thought processes behind some of what I’ve read.
 
BarrieJ3 said:
Good lord I need to throw my phone in the trash, obviously my post count in this thread is unneeded. Maybe I feel close to the topic, who knows.

I guess maybe I should move more towards PMs and my words would carry more weight than my spam posts here but.....@doublebooyah85 it's beyond bizarre that PCF members are pming you to make sure this ends with Spacemonkey being held responsible in the eyes of the law or otherwise. It's beyond bizarre that they think:

You're well to do, brand new family, etc. They feel that you personally need to see this through so that justice is carried out? If you feel that's the right path forward, by all means. But you carrying that weight and burden to attempt to bring someone to justice legally for potential fraud......is a lot and nonsensical.

It really makes no sense, since literally no one but you would benefit from the closure that would bring. The only thing that others here would benefit from is making sure this isn't tolerated here, which would be achieved through contacting or requesting assistance from @Tommy and friends. Plus, it's a longer road towards you actually being made whole.

Spacemonkey being held legally accountable is not going to make the next scammer think twice before doing something on PCF, if they even ever became aware of this specific situation and thread in the sea of PCF.

If it's simply out of "I gave this guy the easiest out ever and that mfer seriously wants to fully screw me?!" - then I'm all for it. If it's the PCF lawyers near you and morality police that go after people on facebook and work for their actions on PCF pushing you to do it, well I guess I'd wonder if they have your personal best interests at heart.

Good luck either way!
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Respectfully disagree with this take, as I'm also one of the most encouraging of seeing the investigation and case through.

I think it's important that there's some level of trust on this forum created (and trust in the community to help mediate if something goes sour), but more than anything a clear path (process, investigation, enforcement) outlined for users if and when this inevitably happens again other than "sucks".

Whether booyah (and spacemonkey) sees the investigation through, come to a split, etc.. is up to them, but I do think seeing the process through helps the greater forum more than you're making out.

And no one wants a precident set that they can be scammed in this way and the best-case scenario is the scammer gets half the funds too, even if that might be the normal easier route.
 
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raynmanas said:
it's not relevant here and i don't meant to threadjack - but this is also the case for priority flat rate?
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Pirate Ship will ask for the weight even for FR service but it does not appear on the printable label.

There is max weight on FR packages, like 75 pounds within the U.S. or 20 pounds internationally. So Pirate Ship will prevent you from buying a label if your package is too heavy.
 
This guy is on social media all over.
For the Boscoe chip buy fiasco it took making his wife aware of what was happening and then it was resolved almost instantly.

I’d consider letting everyone in his congregation know about this so they can pray with him for an amicable solution. Christians like praying with others for a solution, it’s part of the culture. I think you would be doing him a big favor to involve his extended church family and make them aware of this situation that is troubling him and enlist their help and thoughts.
 
Cratty said:
Respectfully disagree with this take, as I'm also one of the most encouraging of seeing the investigation and case through.

I think it's important that there's some level of trust on this forum created (and trust in the community to help mediate if something goes sour), but more than anything a clear path (process, investigation, enforcemsnt) outlined for users if and when this inevitably happens again other than "sucks".

Whether booyah (and spacemonkey) sees the investigation through, come to a split, etc.. is up to them, but I do think seeing the process through helps the greater forum more than you're making out.
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  • Can you name the last 3 scammers? Do you know which went to jail, which paid, and which were banned? If the end result was different between those 3, with some brought to justice and others weren't, does that mean you've heard of those specifically?

    I'm begging the question, but the answer is no. I've already had people pm today asking for some background on PCF, previous scammers, etc. They knew nothing beyond Poppin via search and general knowledge.

    I don't think this take makes sense for future chippers unless this thread and spacemonkeys end result are sticked to the top of PCF in perpetuity.

  • Perhaps instead you're referring to making a point so that current users and folks aware of this situation aren't emboldened. We've had 3 well known scams in the last 8 years. It's not a common theme, and it takes years and years for those people to get to a level where they can scam. Not a short game, hell not even a long game, they are scams of opportunity when a need arose. Regardless of the end result here and it's publishing, no type of enforcement or positive/negative reinforcement will affect those people/situations/actions

  • If neither of those, and simply focusing on the importance of level of trust, whelp, changing the processes, updating feedback, etc. is all going to be wildly, WILDLY more effective. Are you aware of the 500 other examples in the past 8 years where people have been left hanging or not made whole? Do you know who doesn't respect fror and who does? No, because it's a socially engineered solution that relies fully on "trust". Neither path of action here will change that.

But at the end of the day, the biggest point is why does it matter that Craig specifically is the one pushing this to a conclusion. Let the companies sort it out, Spacemonkey can still be held responsible (although yes less likely), and Craig can move on with life.

I am not saying to drop everything and not see it through (I suggested he see it through utilizing charge back as a first option as suggested by the entirety of the world wide web). I'm simply saying that people telling Craig the onus is on him to hold us safe from the evils of SpaceMonkey, I can't see the meaning behind that unless they have insight into that process being more likely to make him whole (which of course they might).
 

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