Live Hold'em Hand From Last Night (1 Viewer)

[MrCatPants]

Had a really active .50/.50 game last night where we ended up getting over $2500 on the table. Several interesting hands that I'll post over the next couple days.

This hand is a NLHE hand later in the night where we were already pretty deep. 8 handed at this point.

SB: solid player with shades of a calling station - $200
BB: LAG - $500
UTG: Member here, so I'm not disclosing my thoughts - $100
MP: Maniac from some of my other threads, but more of a reasonable LAG tonight thus far - $250
HJ: Member here, so I'm not disclosing my thoughts - $250
CO: Hero -$450
BTN: TAG, winningest player at the game over time - $250

UTG Folds
MP Raises to $2
HJ Folds
Hero looks down at

Action on hero.

 

[JMC9389]

Call.

 

[Rieguy]

Call. Always nice to have position against the maniac.

 

[Legend5555]

Had a really active .50/.50 game last night where we ended up getting over $2500 on the table. Several interesting hands that I'll post over the next couple days.

This hand is a NLHE hand later in the night where we were already pretty deep. 8 handed at this point.

SB: solid player with shades of a calling station - $200
BB: LAG - $500
UTG: Member here, so I'm not disclosing my thoughts - $100
MP: Maniac from some of my other threads, but more of a reasonable LAG tonight thus far - $250
HJ: Member here, so I'm not disclosing my thoughts - $250
CO: Hero -$450
BTN: TAG, winningest player at the game over time - $250

UTG Folds
MP Raises to $2
HJ Folds
Hero looks down at

Action on hero.

I could see either 3 betting to $6-8, or calling. Getting heads up against a maniac is pretty good when you are in pos. So I might 3 bet a bit more often than just call.

 

[IaHawk]

Pot it!!!!!

Whoops, wrong thread.

 

[Poker Zombie]

3-bet jam. I don't trust the shifty look in the BB/LAG's eyes. Take his game away from him early in the hand.

I should be banned from strategy threads. I'm terrible at poker.

 

[Rhodeman77]

Raise. Let’s try to get position away from the Button. $2 raise brings everyone else along when you call.

I feel much better about flopping a pair with J10 heads up than 4 ways.

 

[AWenger]

Call some of the time, Raise some of the time. Reasons to raise -- thin the field in position, and even if you get reraised by MP, depending on the re-raise amount, with stack sizes and with a hand of JTss, you can probably call a reraise to see a flop.

If raising, I'm probably raising to $6 or so, maybe more?, if that's what it typically takes to thin the field in this game.

 

[Kain8]

When you're waiting for the conclusion of the Big O hand and then this one gets posted:

 

[Stufflymcstuff]

Guy is a maniac and you guys want to 3bet as a bluff lighter than usual?

This is a low frequency 3bet against players who’ll be giving your raises and bets respect. Against someone who rarely folds / pre, 4bets too much and floats flops light / plays back with draws this is always a call.

 

[Legend5555]

Guy is a maniac and you guys want to 3bet as a bluff lighter than usual?

This is a low frequency 3bet against players who’ll be giving your raises and bets respect. Against someone who rarely folds / pre, 4bets too much and floats flops light / plays back with draws this is always a call.

It's not about bluffing, it's about taking control of the pot and going heads up instead of multiway. If the maniac is prone to 4 betting, then we can change our mind a bit. But the best way to win money from maniacs is playing big pots, heads up, in position.

 

[Moxie Mike]

Raise. Let’s try to get position away from the Button. $2 raise brings everyone else along when you call.

I feel much better about flopping a pair with J10 heads up than 4 ways.

I'm in the 3-bet camp too. Unless the maniac has a propensity to 4-bet often, convincing the button to fold is +EV here.

 

[MrCatPants]

When you're waiting for the conclusion of the Big O hand and then this one gets posted:

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It concluded! You just have to read amongst the normal PCF noise.

 

[MrCatPants]

I'm in the 3-bet camp too. Unless the maniac has a propensity to 4-bet often, convincing the button to fold is +EV here.

Maniac only 4-bets hold'em hands in the normal low stakes tight 4-bet range. QQ+/AKs

 

[AR_poker]

3bet! I'd consider flatting on the BTN, but not from the CO. Sounds like BTN and SB are the best players in the game (besides Hero, obviously) so let's shut them out. Plus, while I don't think facing a 4bet is an autofold given how deep y'all are and the fact that you're in position, there's really no problem with 3bet folding this hand.

 

[Stufflymcstuff]

Maniac only 4-bets hold'em hands in the normal low stakes tight 4-bet range. QQ+/AKs

downright maniacal!

 

[MrCatPants]

Open raises have often been seeing 4-5 callers so hero raises to thin the field.

This hand is a NLHE hand later in the night where we were already pretty deep. 8 handed at this point.

SB: solid player with shades of a calling station - $200
BB: LAG - $500
UTG: Member here, so I'm not disclosing my thoughts - $100
MP: Maniac from some of my other threads, but more of a reasonable LAG tonight thus far - $250
HJ: Member here, so I'm not disclosing my thoughts - $250
CO: Hero -$450
BTN: TAG, winningest player at the game over time - $250

UTG Folds
MP Raises to $2
HJ Folds
Hero looks down at and RAISES to $7
Folds back to MP who CALLS

Pot is $15

Flop comes:

Villian leads for $8
Action on HERO

 

[MrCatPants]

downright maniacal!

opens probably 50% of his hold'em hands and almost 100% of PLO hands though.

 

[Kain8]

Open raises have often been seeing 4-5 callers so hero raises to thin the field.

This hand is a NLHE hand later in the night where we were already pretty deep. 8 handed at this point.

SB: solid player with shades of a calling station - $200
BB: LAG - $500
UTG: Member here, so I'm not disclosing my thoughts - $100
MP: Maniac from some of my other threads, but more of a reasonable LAG tonight thus far - $250
HJ: Member here, so I'm not disclosing my thoughts - $250
CO: Hero -$450
BTN: TAG, winningest player at the game over time - $250

UTG Folds
MP Raises to $2
HJ Folds
Hero looks down at and RAISES to $7
Folds back to MP who CALLS

Pot is $15

Flop comes:

Villian leads for $8
Action on HERO

Bring it on maniac, raising to $20 - $25.

 

[AWenger]

Pump it up -- heads up, I'd raise this flop all day in a cash game. Take down the pot now, or build a big one up.

 

[Moxie Mike]

Pot is $15

Flop comes:

Villian leads for $8
Action on HERO

What do you think this bet means?

In my experience, bets like this from these types of players are probing bets to 'find out where he's at'.

As to how you respond - it depends on how plan to bet the turn and river. This feels like a spot where you should be planning to barrel 3 streets regardless of the runout as if you're repping a big hand.

If you're not prepared to barrel all 3 streets, you might as well flat the flop bet and evaluate on the turn.

 

[Shaggy]

Raise to $25... conceals your hand if you hit the straight or the flush. Allows you to likely have a free card (if you miss) when he checks to you on the turn.

 

[boltonguy]

I would raise here as well with your combo draw. I don’t think a flush draw leads flop here and I don’t think V has many FDs, more like AQo that doesn’t want you to check behind and hit a possible flush. If he holds a queen, a raise could get you to fold as he blocks you having a queen and you otherwise miss the flop as other than the queen IMHO this flop misses your 3! Range. I don’t think a raise has much FE here though but you have 15 outs and so building a pot is good

 

[MrCatPants]

I would raise here as well with your combo draw. I don’t think a flush draw leads flop here and I don’t think V has many FDs, more like AQo that doesn’t want you to check behind and hit a possible flush. If he holds a queen, a raise could get you to fold as he blocks you having a queen and you otherwise miss the flop as other than the queen IMHO this flop misses your 3! Range. I don’t think a raise has much FE here though but you have 15 outs and so building a pot is good

I don't know that I could ever find a fold here, save for a massive all in with a small pot. Even against a set of queens, I'd still be at like 40% or so.

 

[MrCatPants]

This hand is a NLHE hand later in the night where we were already pretty deep. 8 handed at this point.

SB: solid player with shades of a calling station - $200
BB: LAG - $500
UTG: Member here, so I'm not disclosing my thoughts - $100
MP: Maniac from some of my other threads, but more of a reasonable LAG tonight thus far - $250
HJ: Member here, so I'm not disclosing my thoughts - $250
CO: Hero -$450
BTN: TAG, winningest player at the game over time - $250

UTG Folds
MP Raises to $2
HJ Folds
Hero looks down at and RAISES to $7
Folds back to MP who CALLS

Pot is $15

Flop comes:

Villian leads for $8
Hero RAISES to $20
Villain pauses for a few seconds and calls.

Turn is

Villain checks.
Action on hero.

 

[boltonguy]

Knowing your exact hand I agree. My point is that if V has Qx he blocks you having a Q so the other flop cards miss your 3 betting range so he may be raising a Q to try to get a fold and not let you C behind to draw for free.

 

[MrCatPants]

Knowing your exact hand I agree. My point is that if V has Qx he blocks you having a Q so the other flop cards miss your 3 betting range so he may be raising a Q to try to get a fold and not let you C behind to draw for free.

Gotcha. From villian's perspective it makes sense. Thought you were speaking from my perspective.

 

[boltonguy]

Check behind on turn. You have no FE IMHO and only have one card left to make your straight or flush. V’s call is a strong move and he may have a set of Q or AQ (two pair). Your exact hand is likely well behind his range that calls the 3! And calls your raise.

 

[boltonguy]

I do see people donk lead FDs as well. If he’s doing this with the NFD over half your outs are dirty. IMHO he either has Qx or NFD here based on play. I don’t want to keep building a pot now nor do I think a bluff will get better hands to fold

 

[Rhodeman77]

I would like a larger raise preflop, probably to $10, especially vs a maniac, they don’t fold preflop once they put money in. Donk bets should be raised, and raised bigger as well. I would like to see a raise to $25. Show this villain you are in control of this hand.

I don’t see a maniac with the nut flush draw turning top pair deciding to check now. The Ace is a much better card for Hero’s 3 betting range. Continue with the story that you are strong and bet, 3/4 pot or even more. Put the pressure on his 1 pair hands and if he calls you have 17 outs most likely.