What is going on here? W/ sales (2 Viewers)

[Nanook]

I wouldn't say that this is the case 100% of the time. By all means make a custom set that's near and dear to you. That being said, prepare to take a big hit as you mentioned on a set that is too personal and does not have ave lots of appeal to a broad audience.

A CPC set with broad appeal that was designed and made really well would fetch the cost of the set (and then some). I can think of a few sets that I'd pay actual cost for, but they would never come up for sale, and with good reason.

I agree...
For me a big part of the appeal of CPC is getting exactly what I want with something that is very personal. I wouldn't do Bill's Card Room mostly because my name isn't Bill. If I my name was Bill, however, I would certainly consider it knowing I they would be lifelong keepers.

 

[JustDave]

I wouldn't say that this is the case 100% of the time. By all means make a custom set that's near and dear to you. That being said, prepare to take a big hit as you mentioned on a set that is too personal and does not have ave lots of appeal to a broad audience.

A CPC set with broad appeal that was designed and made really well would fetch the cost of the set (and then some). I can think of a few sets that I'd pay actual cost for, but they would never come up for sale, and with good reason.

That's always been my hesitation with CPC sets. NAGB, harvested or Chiproom chips you can get your cost back it seems like. CPC sets, I can think of less than a handful I'd buy just because I have zero interest in the inlay and so if I were to buy them on the secondary market it would be at a huge discount.

 

[JustDave]

Has that ever happened? I can't remember seeing a set of customs sell for CPC retail, let alone whatever the additional costs were (like art.)
But this idea of selling CPC customs seems so foreign to me. If and when I order CPC customs, they'll be mine for life. Parting with them would be like a divorce.

I'd pay for these and others I'm sure:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/resources/the-club-house.75/
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/resources/pillage-and-plunder.57/

But I'd say that's a small fraction of the custom sets. I basically assume if I ever make a CPC set it has zero residual value.

 

[JMC9389]

All of the responses to the previous post are a testament to why designing and buying customs should be a months long and even years long process. For all of the cash that you're putting down and probably won't get back if you ever decide to move on from them, I'd want the chips to be absolutely perfect and 100% content with the colors, edge spots, and inlay.

I must have drafted the colors and edge spots over 25 times before I settled on my order for the order I have in now.

 

[JustDave]

All of the responses to the previous post are a testament to why designing and buying customs should be a months long and even years long process. For all of the cash that you're putting down and probably won't get back if you ever decide to move on from them, I'd want the chips to be absolutely perfect and 100% content with the colors, edge spots, and inlay.

I must have drafted the colors and edge spots over 25 times before I settled on my order for the order I have in now.

I've got vendor chips, I've got NAGB chips, I've got GB chips, I've got murdered and custom labeled chips, I've even got 'throw away' China card mold chips if they ever get here... but I feel like I'm really far away from being able to do CPC chips that I'd be happy with.

 

[Coyote]

But this idea of selling CPC customs seems so foreign to me. If and when I order CPC customs, they'll be mine for life. Parting with them would be like a divorce.

Indeed, but this sickness is infinite, so you might want to sell them to a friend (in the hope of seeing them again one day or even regularly) in order to just make a V2

 

[arch3r]

That's always been my hesitation with CPC sets. NAGB, harvested or Chiproom chips you can get your cost back it seems like. CPC sets, I can think of less than a handful I'd buy just because I have zero interest in the inlay and so if I were to buy them on the secondary market it would be at a huge discount.

And that's the issue. Most of us are renting chips. We buy this or that knowing that we can almost always get our money back. How many people do you think would outlay the obscene prices of chips today if they didn't think they could at least recoup most, if not all, or even profit, if they ever sold. Not many. If there was a secondary market for CPCs, everyone would have custom sets.

 

[JustDave]

And that's the issue. Most of us are renting chips. We buy this or that knowing that we can almost always get our money back. How many people do you think would outlay the obscene prices of chips today if they didn't think they could at least recoup most, if not all, or even profit, if they ever sold. Not many. If there was a secondary market for CPCs, everyone would have custom sets.

I can't assume anyone will want my 'Dave's Poker and Card Room' cards mold chips but they were like $0.30 a chip. I get offers for my custom labeled chips, but they are 'I'm going to take off your label and put on my own'.

I think the community is actually at it's best when there is a big collective GB going on and I have been looking for one to start up in the new year but it doesn't seem like anything is gaining momentum while all of the cards mold crap is still going on.

 

[allforcharity]

I think the community is actually at it's best when there is a big collective GB going on and I have been looking for one to start up in the new year but it doesn't seem like anything is gaining momentum while all of the cards mold crap is still going on.

I thought @Tommy was mulling another Sun-Fly ceramic hybrid GB for this year....

 

[JMC9389]

I can't assume anyone will want my 'Dave's Poker and Card Room' cards mold chips but they were like $0.30 a chip. I get offers for my custom labeled chips, but they are 'I'm going to take off your label and put on my own'.

I think the community is actually at it's best when there is a big collective GB going on and I have been looking for one to start up in the new year but it doesn't seem like anything is gaining momentum while all of the cards mold crap is still going on.

I have a couple of playing cards group buys on the back burner for later this year, but yes, lots of people have group buy fatigue from the cards mold buy and from the King and two Angel group buys last year. I'm letting things settle down a bit before unleashing more cards. Mainly because I want to help @Josh Kifer have enough cards to literally build a house made of them.

 

[JMC9389]

And that's the issue. Most of us are renting chips. We buy this or that knowing that we can almost always get our money back. How many people do you think would outlay the obscene prices of chips today if they didn't think they could at least recoup most, if not all, or even profit, if they ever sold. Not many. If there was a secondary market for CPCs, everyone would have custom sets.

The CPC prices are even getting ridiculous for customs unless you're ok with the A mold or HHR mold and are ok with getting solids or a really simple edge spot.

To build what I want for a DIASQ mold project I have in mind, it's going to run me about seven grand for a little over 2000 chips (cash and tournament set), and I'm not even using really complex edge spots on over 50% of the chips.

 

[Sambukan]

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Every time I see another thread go up like this, I am like...
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All I can tell you is you get what you want out of this forum, period.
If you choose to get in the drama then you will receive drama. If you want to concentrate on buying and selling then thats what you get. If you want to be a seller then be a seller. I see many on here that are "members" and 99% of their adds are sales adds. Is this wrong? I am not one to say it is wrong. This is how they choose to participate in our forum.

Community is a word that is used very loosely to describe all that are in this group. I think of it more like we have many communities within the community. There is a community of Chip collectors, a community of friends, a community of sellers, a community of buyers, a community of flippers and so on. Some people may call them cliques other will call them communities! Chose you community or communities that you like and get involved.

To the newbies, get involved where you think you want to be and get involved. There are a bunch of great people here that can help.

I will add that I have never put anyone on my ignore list. I find it kind of funny that people cannot just read a post and move on if they do not like it. I see them put them open ignore and then un-ignore them to make comments. I also see people saying you are on my ignore list and thence them commenting on posts. If I disagree with someone I choose to ignore what they write but not ignore the person.

So to all the members, what is your community?

Enjoy the hobby and know there are many, many other forums and subsets of collectors that go through the same thing we keep "beating a dead horse" over.

Find you hobby happiness from within!

Keep on Chipping!

I think you are right, but i do also think debating this is a sign that the forum/community is alive and that for the most people it is not only about profit. Maybe it is worth beating this dead horse over and over

 

[arch3r]

The CPC prices are even getting ridiculous for customs unless you're ok with the A mold or HHR mold and are ok with getting solids or a really simple edge spot.

To build what I want for a DIASQ mold project I have in mind, it's going to run me about seven grand for a little over 2000 chips (cash and tournament set), and I'm not even using really complex edge spots on over 50% of the chips.

I hear ya, but that's my point. $7k for 2000 custom CPCs, 2 full playable sets seems high and it out of reach for most. But $7k for a single set of Lakeshores or Mapes or NAGB or BTP or ... and people will line up at for the privilege to acquire them.

 

[JustDave]

I thought @Tommy was mulling another Sun-Fly ceramic hybrid GB for this year....

Here's hoping for one. Did the Prestige/Midnight/Imperial Plaza not scratch the Hybrid itch for everyone?

 

[JMC9389]

I hear ya, but that's my point. $7k for 2000 custom CPCs, 2 full playable sets seems high and it out of reach for most. But $7k for a single set of Lakeshores or Mapes or NAGB or BTP or ... and people will line up at for the privilege to acquire them.

Precisely. Because with the latter, people know that if they ever come to their senses, they can sell them again for what they paid or more.

Can't do that with customs, though if David comes out tomorrow and says that we only have one year to put in orders before CPC closes down for good (cross my heart and hope to die on this one), the tune will change around here and then you'll see these "grail" CPC sets like the Sunsets, P+P, and others go up dramatically in value, just by the testament that no more of that type of chip would ever be made again, which is always the case with a finite supply like with the "grail" Paulson, TRK, and BCC sets out there.

 

[viet rounder]

CPC prices are indeed very high if you decide to get the set of your dreams. The average cost per chip after the final price would be about $6 cad or $5 usd. Not saying they don’t deserve it. Just stating a fact

 

[72o]

Look...chip prices right now are frickin insane (if buying from the classifieds). I guess there are deals being done behind the scenes for crazy ass amounts as well (Bourbon fivers come to mind) but I love hearing that friends are still passing on great deals to each other. This was done openly before when this hobby was quite smaller but isn’t sustainable in the open public classifieds anymore. It’s just the way it is now.

I love the fact that customs aren’t cheap. I mean come on, you’re ordering your very own type (design/colors/etc.) of chip that no one else has...that’s special! If it was cheap (and easy) then everyone would have customs.

Yes this shit gets debated at least a few times per year but thats fine. There are always new comers who want to know the history of the hobby. Let them debate, as a veteran you can add a few stories as you deem appropriate but let the discussion happen I say. The same goes for the NAGB chips. I usually just ignore these debates as they happen because I’ve heard most of it before but I had some free time today so...

Oh and please don’t use “custom” and “investment” in the same sentence.

 

[JustDave]

I hear ya, but that's my point. $7k for 2000 custom CPCs, 2 full playable sets seems high and it out of reach for most. But $7k for a single set of Lakeshores or Mapes or NAGB or BTP or ... and people will line up at for the privilege to acquire them.

CPC prices are indeed very high if you decide to get the set of your dreams. The average cost per chip after the final price would be about $6 cad or $5 usd. Not saying they don’t deserve it. Just stating a fact

7k for 2k chips is 3.5 a chip which is about what I've priced out with most of mine being around 3. What are you doing where your average price per chip is $5?

 

[viet rounder]

7k for 2k chips is 3.5 a chip which is about what I've priced out with most of mine being around 3. What are you doing where your average price per chip is $5?

I average it based on mold + L9-L11 + artwork + tax + shipping

 

[JustDave]

I average it based on mold + L9-L11 + artwork + tax + shipping

That's kinda like saying the average price for a car is the fully loaded model...

 

[pharaohone]

Wait... isn’t poker chip collecting just an alternative asset allocation strategy given how high stock prices are right now? I’m only here because my financial advisor told me to be here.

In all seriousness, there are some great people here who have helped me many times find things I was looking for. Maybe they profited on them, I don’t know. It wouldn’t bother me if they did. It helped me make my set.

And Travis LOL at the CPC comment. 3 years ago I remember thinking that at $3+ per chip that CPC’s were too expensive to get into. I guess I need to go design that set now!

 

[viet rounder]

That's kinda like saying the average price for a car is the fully loaded model...

Yes. I was adding to JMC’s comment about CPC pricing. He said unless you get the very basic options, your DREAM set (fully loaded model) will be very high as well.

 

[Nanook]

That's kinda like saying the average price for a car is the fully loaded model...

Average price for a car is 60k if you consider a Brand new luxury German car average.

 

[viet rounder]

Average price for a car is 60k if you consider a Brand new luxury German car average.

Difference being the initial price for the car is just the beginning. Wait till you bring that German engineering marvel in for a tune up.

 

[JMC9389]

Yes. I was adding to JMC’s comment about CPC pricing. He said unless you get the very basic options, your DREAM set (fully loaded model) will be very high as well.

This is correct, but @RainmanTrail is correct as well. One can design a really kick ass custom CPC set for $3 per chip or under. It's near impossible to do with all really complex edge spots, however.

Edit: that said, $3/chip or just under that is still way more than most here are able or willing to spend on customs, given the poor rate of return in the resale market. I disagree somewhat with that mentality, though. In designing my CPC sets, these are chips that are going to be played with and loved by my players and I for years to come. They'll be in good enough shape to pass down to my kids and may even last until their kids. I don't design and buy CPC chips with the intent of selling.

In the short term, yes, I agree with @72o , they are not an investment destined to make money in the resale market. But I do disagree with the concept of CPC's not being a long term investment, given the years of play I plan on getting out of them. I hope to be able to pass them down from generation to generation as family heirlooms.

 

[Marius L]

This is correct, but @RainmanTrail is correct as well. One can design a really kick ass custom CPC set for $3 per chip or under. It's near impossible to do with all really complex edge spots, however.

As others have mentioned the fact that you will most likely never be able to get back more than half of that if you ever decide to sell, makes it a bigger decission than with paulsons that you can simply resell at cost the next day if you dislike them.

 

[bluegill]

7k for 2k chips is 3.5 a chip which is about what I've priced out with most of mine being around 3. What are you doing where your average price per chip is $5?

It doesn't take much for the cost to get up there. Something like this and you are looking at $5.72 per chip without artwork, shipping, and tax.

 

[WedgeRock]

Situation#2
New guy #2 comes in here and somehow decides to buy a set of 500 chips for $2500 that just sold for $500. Unfortunately he was taken advantage of. Is this his fault? Sure it is, but at the same time I see no need for this....

Don't call out Seller #2, lest ye be chastised for thread crapping.

 

[Marius L]

Don't call out Seller #2, lest ye be chastised for thread crapping.

Hard not to sometimes.. Would it be considered bad form to make a new thread and call out the seller?

EDIT: or rather, would it be against forum rules?

 

[JMC9389]

As others have mentioned the fact that you will most likely never be able to get back more than half of that if you ever decide to sell, makes it a bigger decission than with paulsons that you can simply resell at cost the next day if you dislike them.

See my edit above. Not calling CPC's an investment is shortsighted, IMO. They're not meant to be flipped for profit.