slisk250
Straight Flush
Perhaps but I'm not one of those viewers. I don't watch WSOP unless something interesting is linked here. Watching guys go into the tank on a two card game is like watching paint dry. I have better things to do.
WSOP 2016 Main Event DRAMA - Griffin Benger Goes Off on Will Kassouf - Poll (2 Viewers)
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Perhaps but I'm not one of those viewers. I don't watch WSOP unless something interesting is linked here. Watching guys go into the tank on a two card game is like watching paint dry. I have better things to do.
Just reading the 2+2 thread on this (the posts about the Benger hand start at page 34) and holy shit according to this post the AA v. KK hand took OVER 18 MINUTES in real time.
I would probably have ended up blathering like a moron too if I'd sat there for 18 fucking minutes enduring Kassouf's retarded "speech play." Benger is less douchy than I thought given that background and Kassouf remains king of the softbrains. I hope he falls down an elevator shaft.
I would probably have ended up blathering like a moron too if I'd sat there for 18 fucking minutes enduring Kassouf's retarded "speech play." Benger is less douchy than I thought given that background and Kassouf remains king of the softbrains. I hope he falls down an elevator shaft.
slisk250
Straight Flush
18 minutes? No way I could take it. I would have received penalties never before issued for foul language, etc... maybe a bitch slap too.
Psypher1000
Straight Flush
Sooo...17 min. pre-flop bullshit just to ultimately get it all-in which was a very real possibility (likelihood?) the entire time, then just a minute or two of action.
(As an aside, that sounds a bit like my dating life in high school.)
Seven. Teen. Minutes. One hand. AA v KK.
That partly illustrates why tourneys are not my preferred mode of play. Make your bets, deal the thing, scoop the pot, and move on. Good lawd...18+ minutes.
What if you were one of the players NOT involved in that hand? You just had 18+ minutes of play eaten by that bullshit.
slisk250
Straight Flush
I guess if 423 other players busted while you were drinking a whiskey on the rail with friends you would be a bit happy.
justsomedude
Royal Flush
And that's his problem... he would sit there and talk sh*t for 4 minutes while trying to decide whether or not he should fold 9-3off. Hell, it took 5m30sec minutes for him to shove KK-all-in? Seriously?!?!? I don't care if the levels are 2 hours... that's straight up obnoxious for a $10,000 buyin tournament.
WK is a disaster for any table he sits and, and he has no respect for the game. I'm so glad he did NOT make the final table.
justsomedude
Royal Flush
You beat me to it. Great post.
18+ minute 
This changes things. Though you deserve what happens to you for not calling the clock at some point.
justsomedude
Royal Flush
My biggest issue with this is that WK may just be the straw that breaks the camel's back as it relates to WSOP ME rules.
There has been some debate (on this forum, and others) about whether or not a clock should be automatically instituted for every hand in the ME. To be totally honest, I don't think there should be a clock at this event. For $10k you are buying 2-hour levels and the time/respect to play the game at your pace.
That said, WK has shown you can abuse the generous level structure by taking b*llshit antics to an extreme. I don't think that's fair, and it just may result in fudging up the WSOP rules into the future. And that's what worries me the most about WK's antics.
I would not be surprised if we see new time rules next year as a result of his stupid crap.
There has been some debate (on this forum, and others) about whether or not a clock should be automatically instituted for every hand in the ME. To be totally honest, I don't think there should be a clock at this event. For $10k you are buying 2-hour levels and the time/respect to play the game at your pace.
That said, WK has shown you can abuse the generous level structure by taking b*llshit antics to an extreme. I don't think that's fair, and it just may result in fudging up the WSOP rules into the future. And that's what worries me the most about WK's antics.
I would not be surprised if we see new time rules next year as a result of his stupid crap.
Didn't even know that Negreanu had a podcast until today, but here he is on episode 3 interviewing Will Kassouf. Will have to listen sometime soon.
bonesnjnts
3 of a Kind
thinking poker's podcast last week also was with Kassouf. at the end he blathers for 5 minutes---really fun to listen too but no idea what he said.
Even without new rules, TDA does have Rule #1 for the TD to act on such issues:
1: Floor Decisions
The best interest of the game and fairness are top priorities in decision-making. Unusual circumstances occasionally dictate that decisions in the interest of fairness take priority over technical rules. Floor decisions are final.
1: Floor Decisions
The best interest of the game and fairness are top priorities in decision-making. Unusual circumstances occasionally dictate that decisions in the interest of fairness take priority over technical rules. Floor decisions are final.
If it was 18 minutes, the other players need a slap. Big decision or not, he gets the clock after 3 minutes.
I can't believe these guys waited that long to call the clock on him.
I can't believe these guys waited that long to call the clock on him.
Chippy McChiperson
Straight Flush
18 minutes cumulative for the whole hand. There was a raise, three bet, and four bet before Kassouf's decision. Still an insane amount of time, but it's not like the players waited while Kassouf blathered on for fifteen minutes non-stop before the clock was called.
legend672
Full House
Plenty of time to drop a deuce once Ricky gervais started babbling....
With a player like that, you just tell him, sorry but I'm calling the clock on you as soon as allowed every decision. Enough is enough. And then you do it. And do it. And do it. And do it. And do it.
Thinking that long with KK, I mean, c'mon man! How many times have the best players in the world been able to get away from KK pre-flop? Once in their career? Maybe?
Thinking that long with KK, I mean, c'mon man! How many times have the best players in the world been able to get away from KK pre-flop? Once in their career? Maybe?
Maybe I'm old school but I'm not a fan of all the talk at the tables. Let the play and the cards talk. But to each their own.
legend672
Full House
Light banter only.
Who's gonna win ?
What's the morning line ? Can we get 9 guys for $111 each $1000 winner take all blind draw ?
Who's gonna win ?
What's the morning line ? Can we get 9 guys for $111 each $1000 winner take all blind draw ?
slisk250
Straight Flush
No way I'm folding there...and I'm a nit.
Ben
Full House
I respect it. It's basically for Obst's tournament, Nguyen is obv value betting, and his value range in this spot is (or should be) comprised almost entirely of larger flushes and boats. How he got there with them is irrelevant at that point - A5 is a silly unlikely hand for him to have there.
Combination of "mid" flush, paired board and final table within reach probably makes that decision different than even the day before...
luckbox
Straight
just finished episode 13...to answer the OP question is: d) none of the above....just a heated moment, but great entertainment for the most part
tv edits with an acceptable result, there was no other entertainment except Kassouf who i started to hate and even cringe while watching at times, then you realize his game plan
which was he successful at putting everyone at any table on tilt, plus most of the tourney officials and maybe 90% of the viewers....i applaud his results.
have not watched the rest but i would bet ESPN is the loser here now that Kassouf is gone, no class douche nozzle Niwinski should be kicked in the nuts by Chuck Norris for the
obvious snub but he is a stupid kid than needs to learn a few things, that being the first lesson.
but in real time if i had to sit there and put up with Kassouf, i would be tempted hire the top 3 MMA fighters to beat him senseless during a break...
edit: watched last episode, sort of refreshing of not all WK but then sort of blah at the same time
tv edits with an acceptable result, there was no other entertainment except Kassouf who i started to hate and even cringe while watching at times, then you realize his game plan
which was he successful at putting everyone at any table on tilt, plus most of the tourney officials and maybe 90% of the viewers....i applaud his results.
have not watched the rest but i would bet ESPN is the loser here now that Kassouf is gone, no class douche nozzle Niwinski should be kicked in the nuts by Chuck Norris for the
obvious snub but he is a stupid kid than needs to learn a few things, that being the first lesson.
but in real time if i had to sit there and put up with Kassouf, i would be tempted hire the top 3 MMA fighters to beat him senseless during a break...
edit: watched last episode, sort of refreshing of not all WK but then sort of blah at the same time
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justsomedude
Royal Flush
Amazing.
OK. This is the funniest shit I've seen in a long time.
My Coors is blowing out my nose.
William425
Pair
I think he knew the talking part of Kassouf's game would make him act like he did and shove them in.
legend672
Full House
Kassouf figured that he was trying to goad him into calling, which meant he was secretly weak
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