Tourney Why do 20,000 over a 10,000 starting stack with a T25 tourney? (1 Viewer)

[justsomedude]

Comparing your home game to a 10 day tournament with the most unique structure in the world may not be something to aspire to.

Why not?

The purpose of all tournament structures is exactly the same: the goal is to advance blinds in such a manner that it puts pressure on players to force action that results in eliminations to determine a winner within a defined time period.

Whether that time period is 5 days or 5 hours doesn't really matter... it's simply a matter of math to create smooth level increases across the desired duration.

 

[BGinGA]

There's really no right or wrong when it comes to starting stacks or base chip selection... it's mainly about working out your structure to have smooth and relatively even & consistent level jumps.

Correct, there is much more room for error or inadequacies in blind structure design decisions -- although the starting stack size selected can sometimes actually drive those inferior choices.

For a good example, check out my post from this morning in the "T100-Base or T500-Base?" thread, which is also pertinent to T25-base and T5-base structures. Everything is not always equal as it initially seems, and relatively small details can occasionally make a significant difference.

 

[TheRealStephen12]

Stacks are plenty deep, no pressure just good solid poker. 7k is 140 bb deep give me a break. Too many chips is just as bad as not enough.

Didn’t mean for my comment to come across badly, though I see why you thought so. I just know a lot of people recommend 200BB stacks and yours was 140 chopped to 70 in one level, which is unusual by PCF standards.

 

[CincinattiKiddo]

There's really no right or wrong when it comes to starting stacks or base chip selection... it's mainly about working out your structure to have smooth and relatively even & consistent level jumps.

Of course, starting stack size will also impact event run-time, but everything is adjustable. I've run "deepstack" 30,000 starting stack events with a T25 base without issue (they just ran a bit longer - as was expected).

Heck, the WSOP ME had 50k starting stacks with a T25 base in 2018 before it switched to a T100 base 60k stack in 2019.

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Mind showing me a pictures like this one of the 60k stack from 2019?

 

[wickedwonka121]

 

[Nymor]

The (single table 8max) tournie structure I use is a T25 with 100K starting stacks - but split into 4 bullets of 25K.

I wanted to give everyone at least 3 hours of play, have a fixed entry cost and use all 7 denoms of my chip set.

It's a social game and I don't want people getting busted early - this is really important. Rebuys were an option but I also wanted to have a fixed, known, prize pool so settled on starting 25K with 3 additional bullets which hopefully help protect players from being coolered too early.

20 minute levels and if you go below 5K in the 1st hour you can redeem a bullet for another 25K, and if below 25K in the 2nd hour you can do the same. At the end of the 2nd hour all bullets are redeemed and the average stack is then 100K. Blinds start at 25/50 and rise slowly so are only 300/600 after the 2hr mark break. We also play whatever it is we're playing pot limit, be that HE, Omaha and other mixes. With a few short breaks the game will go for 7-7:30 hours.

We start with 25K - 25(12) 100(17) 500(12) & 1k(17)

and will get a further 5k(5) and 25k(2) when you cash in your 5(3) chips - so all 7 denoms see the table at some point.

The structure works really well and if I want a slightly shorter game I just drop the blinds to 15mins and we finish in 5-5:30hrs. Players love it and even our "worst" players get at least 3-4 hours for their monies. Out in 45mins has been achieved once - tilt may have been a factor

 

[justsomedude]

Mind showing me a pictures like this one of the 60k stack from 2019?

2019 WSOP ME had 60k starting stacks broken out as 10/2/8/5/1 …

With the single chip being a 25,000 value chip.

2019 ME starting stack pics…

 

[justsomedude]

And for our June T100 WSOP chip tourney with 60k stacks, we did 15/5/11/9…

 

[Himewad]

My T25 STT have used anywhere from T20K to T30K starting stacks. We have started at 25/50 blinds most nights, but for tonight's game I think we will start at 50/100 blinds and T25K starting stacks.

My game is a low stakes, social game, and allows rebuys. Sometimes we have a ton of rebuys, and sometimes there aren't many rebuys at all. Very difficult to analyze what structures work "best" when the play varies as much as it does at my games. But no one complains. We have a good time. Games usually last between 4-1/2 and 5-1/2 hours.

We do like to have lots of chips on the table, so those T25K starting stacks will be T25 x20, T100 x20, T500 x9, T1000 x8, and T5000 x2 (59 total chips).

If I were running a tournament that I wanted to keep to a shorter time limit, then I would definitely go with T10K starting stacks.

 

[CincinattiKiddo]

And for our June T100 WSOP chip tourney with 60k stacks, we did 15/5/11/9…

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Do you mind sharing your blind structure. I am planning to do a 60k deepstack tourney next week. I Will be using bba antes for the first time, since otherwise it Will take forever

 

[justsomedude]

Do you mind sharing your blind structure. I am planning to do a 60k deepstack tourney next week. I Will be using bba antes for the first time, since otherwise it Will take forever

More than happy to share it.

We did not use a BBante and we ran over my estimated-end by about 1 hour because the last 2 players were nitty as hell. Started at 6PM and ended around 1AM. Our breaks also ended up being about 20-25min each, which was probably a bigger factor in the longer runtime.

I took the following notes during play to track how the structure played out:

• 16 players total
• 950,000 chips in play
• Condensed to Final Table of 9 players with 8min remaining in 3k/6k level
• 7 players left with 4min remaining in 4k/8k level
• 4 players left at start of 6k/12k level

I didn't have any notes at the end, but I'm pretty sure the tournament ended at Level 21 - 20k/40k.

See structure sheet below:

 

[CincinattiKiddo]

More than happy to share it.

We did not use a BBante and we ran over my estimated-end by about 1 hour because the last 2 players were nitty as hell. Started at 6PM and ended around 1AM. Our breaks also ended up being about 20-25min each, which also extended runtime.

I took the following notes during play to track how the structure played out:

• 16 players total
• 950,000 chips in play
• Condensed to Final Table of 9 players at with 8min remaining in 3k/6k level
• 7 players left with 4min remaining in 4k/8k level
• 4 players left at start of 6k/12k level

See structure sheet below:

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looks great! I'll take a closer look tomorrow and maybe tweak my current idea. Was planning on doing a 10k add-on when the rebuy period ENDS. But Ik will look onto that tomorrow