Cash Game Who's the workhorse? (2 Viewers)

[Emlemleml]

Hello guys.

I'm curious if you guys can help me out pinning down the workhorse in different stakes.

The chips in use in these scenarios are1-5-25-100-500.

My guesses would be:

NL/PL
sb-bb (workhorse chip)
1-2 (5)
2-5 (5/25)
5-5 (5/25)
5-10 (25)
10-20 (25/100)
10-25 (100)
25-50 (100)

When it comes to FL, I would guess that 1 BigBet divided by 4 chips is preferable.


Do you guys got any other suggestions? =)
Happy to hear from you.

 

[BGinGA]

When it comes to FL, I would guess that 1 BigBet divided by 4 chips is preferable.

Correct....... and having only two denominations in play -- 10x or 20x apart -- is generally considered best.

 

[Emlemleml]

Correct........

This answer was regarding fixed limit only, right? =)

 

[MD Mike]

This answer was regarding fixed limit only, right? =)

I would presume so yes. Your increment bet chip is basically all you really need. The larger denomination is like your own personal bank of checks to cash into the increment bets. The larger chip makes it so you don’t have to have 2000 $1 chips in front of you because you did well at a 1/2 FL table

 

[Emlemleml]

@BGinGA I don't know if you do, but if you do play FL stud... do you use 1 chip for ante, 1chip for bring in and 2 chip for complete?
Or do you use some kind of button ante with 2 or 3 chips?
My question really is how would you like to set up a FL HORSE game when you use BB=4chips? Concerning antes and bring ins.

 

[BGinGA]

@BGinGA I don't know if you do, but if you do play FL stud... do you use 1 chip for ante, 1chip for bring in and 2 chip for complete?
Or do you use some kind of button ante with 2 or 3 chips?
My question really is how would you like to set up a FL HORSE game when you use BB=4chips? Concerning antes and bring ins.

Easiest way to do it is have the button post a two-chip ante for the entire table, with a one-chip bring-in.

 

[Shaggy]

Easiest way to do it is have the button post a two-chip ante for the entire table, with a one-chip bring-in.

I do this for 2/4 HORSE. Works great.

 

[Emlemleml]

Any suggestions about how many players needed around the table to justify the two-chip ante? 7players or 3+?

 

[Shaggy]

For my 2/4 game, I wanted to emulate a 25c ante. 8x 25c = $2... so if the ante is 1/4 of a SB, 8 players results in a SB ante. In a 2-chip / 4-chip game... its 2 chips.

If you have fewer players, you could reduce the ante. However, what are the repercussions of leaving it 2 chips?

 

[Emlemleml]

Thanks for sharing.

ehm... I'm not quite sure what repercussions mean.. but..
if it means more or less "whats the problems leaving it at 2 chips" then.. probably nothing.

 

[Shaggy]

Thanks for sharing.

ehm... I'm not quite sure what repercussions mean.. but..
if it means more or less "whats the problems leaving it at 2 chips" then.. probably nothing.

yep... repercussions are basically negative effects

 

[MD Mike]

I noticed this thread was missing a literal visual so I thought I’d fill that in and get it out of the way now.

 

[allforcharity]

But the horse isn't denominated....

 

[JustinInMN]

Stud Structures in Minnesota. (Canterbury Park)

Limit, (ante, bring in), ante:bringin:smallbet ratio
2/4 (.50, 1) 1:2:4
3/6 (.50, 1) 1:2:6
4/8 (.50, 1) 1:4:8
*6/12 (1, 2) 1:2:6
**10/20 (2, 5) 1:2.5:5

*Uses Yellow $2 Chips
**Uses Red $5 Chips, only part of mix game.

So it seems to me 2-2.5:1 bringin:ante is pretty standard.

The ratio of ante:smallbet determines how aggressive the game should be. The smaller the ratio the more aggressive it should be, so 2/4 and 10/20 are pretty high-ante structures relative to the bets. The 4/8 structure is the lowest-ante structure.

 

[JustinInMN]

And back on the original question, I generally think of the chip above the one used in blinds and antes as the "workhorse" chip, so your original table is pretty solid. Ideally, that denom should be 60% or more of the chips on the table.

 

[BGinGA]

But the horse isn't denominated....

And not a fan of plain white spots, although I do like the base color....

 

[Emlemleml]

Nice guys (y) :thumbsup:

 

[RainmanTrail]

For my 2/4 game, I wanted to emulate a 25c ante. 8x 25c = $2... so if the ante is 1/4 of a SB, 8 players results in a SB ante. In a 2-chip / 4-chip game... its 2 chips.

If you have fewer players, you could reduce the ante. However, what are the repercussions of leaving it 2 chips?

Stud Structures in Minnesota. (Canterbury Park)

Limit, (ante, bring in), ante:bringin:smallbet ratio
2/4 (.50, 1) 1:2:4
3/6 (.50, 1) 1:2:6
4/8 (.50, 1) 1:4:8
*6/12 (1, 2) 1:2:6
**10/20 (2, 5) 1:2.5:5

*Uses Yellow $2 Chips
**Uses Red $5 Chips, only part of mix game.

So it seems to me 2-2.5:1 bringin:ante is pretty standard.

The ratio of ante:smallbet determines how aggressive the game should be. The smaller the ratio the more aggressive it should be, so 2/4 and 10/20 are pretty high-ante structures relative to the bets. The 4/8 structure is the lowest-ante structure.

I play a lot of HORSE games, or at least used to. As Justin said, ante structure relative to the small bet is extremely important. So much so, that I would say it is the single most important factor of how you should play any stud game. Getting 2 to 1 on your steal attempt vs getting 1 to 1 or 4 to 1 makes a HUGE HUGE difference in how the game plays and dictates how often you should steal the antes, which in turn dictates how often you should resteal, etc. If you want wild aggressive games, then just make larger antes.

 

[Emlemleml]

If you want wild aggressive games, then just make larger antes

Guess this fits like a glove for nordic players