1000 Piece Cash Game Set Break Out advice 1/3 - 2/5 (1 Viewer)

[pokerilluminati]

Just ordered 3 sets of sample chips from Apache (Dunes, Taj Mahal & Mirage).

Home game that place big. Standard game (game is not raked) is 2 tables of 1/3 (plays like a big 2/5) NL Holdem and PLO with a max buy in of $300. Getting 16-18k in play is not out of the ordinary as the game plays big. Looking for assistance in the correct breakdown to prevent having to buy another set as I have outgrown the Nevada Jack Dessert Sands set.

Looking for advice with the breakouts below or a better option without purchasing 1500 chips.

Option #0 (Looks like this is the best option to have enough chips. I think the other options would cause some annoyance making change every few hands and gives people more chips to play with instead of feeling like they need to throw out larger bets)
$1 300 $300
$5 500 $3000
$25 300 $7500
$100 100 $1000


Option #1
$1 200 = $200
$5 400 = $2500
$25 300 = $7500
$100 100 = $10000

Thoughts on
Starting Stacks for 10 players w/$300 BI
$1 20 = $20
$5 36 = $180
$25 4 = $100

Starting Stacks for 16 players w/$300 BI
$1 10 = $10
$5 28 = $140
$25 6 = $150

Option #2
$1 300 = $300
$5. 400 = $2000
$25 300 = $7500
$100 100.= $10000 or $100 x 80 plus $500 x 20

Option #3
$1 300 = $300
$5. 400 = $2000
$25 300 = $7500
$100 80 = $8000
$500 20 = $10000

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

PI

 

[Kam]

@Taghkanic @doublebooyah85

 

[Machine]

Thoughts on
Starting Stacks for 10 players w/$300 BI
$1 20 = $20
$5 36 = $180
$25 4 = $100

To cover this, for 1 table, you need
200 x 1s, I don't think you need to hand out that many 1s. No rake means blinds only, unless you have a dealer, who will color up the tips anyway.


1/3 is actually a red-chip game; you might as well have it be a $5 bring-in, especially if it plays big.
to cover two tables
300 x 1
800 x 5
300 x 25
100 x 100
Bank would be $21,500 (10k in 100s)

I would realistically want 1200 in 5s. I think 800 is too thin if you get 2 tables often. I would also prefer 400 x 25. That would bring the bank up to $26,300, giving you plenty of room if needed. With this much cash on the table, Iwould rather not hand out 100s when I'm buying stock chips. It's harder to run in 5s or 25s in quantities than in hundreds.

I would try
300 x 1
1200 x 5
500 x 25
That's $18,800

 

[grandmeme]

My preferred one-table 1/3 breakdown is:

200x $1
500x $5
200x $25
100x $100

Obviously I don't recommend using stock chips for $100s. Have you thought about using live chips as your bank? Easily refundable and impossible to cheat in.

 

[mdt11]

I run a similar game, though only one table. You really only need 100 $1s per table. $5s and $25s will be your workhorses. The change-making will be limited.

I like to do starting stacks of 40 x $5, 4 x $25. This creates a symmetrical stack that players don’t have to double check when they sit down. Put a rack of whites on the table and hand out change when players send you the initial buyin.

This also puts all the $5s in play at the start of the night so you’re only doing rebuys in $25s and $100s.

It’s going to be hard to keep this under 1,000 chips for an efficient breakdown across two tables at these stakes. If 16 is the max players you need to support I would have at minimum:
200 x $1 ($200)
700 x $5 ($3500)
200 x $25 ($5000)
100 x $100 ($10000)

This gets you right up to the line of total bank you said you need to support.

If you want to give yourself some breathing room, or think there’s a chance you’d ever run 2/5 or 5/5:
200 x $1 ($200)
700 x $5 ($3500)
200 x $25 ($5000)
150 x $100 ($15000)
50 x $500/$1K

If you absolutely need to keep it at 1,000 chips, this is actually where you’ll waste time change-making with so few reds:
200 x $1 ($200)
400 x $5 ($2000)
250 x $25 ($6250)
150 x $100 ($15000)

Best of luck!

 

[btbmason]

I’m not going to give direct breakdown advice, but more kind of like paranoid gambler advice.

If you’re playing in a game where the ABI by the end of the night is $1k per player, save up a few buy-ins and invest in more secure chips that you can’t find immediately for purchase with a quick internet search.

No matter how secure or friendly you think your game is, people cheat and steal all the time. As others have mentioned, having stock $100s in play is dangerous.

Buy once, cry once, etc.

 

[JMC9389]

I’m not going to give direct breakdown advice, but more kind of like paranoid gambler advice.

If you’re playing in a game where the ABI by the end of the night is $1k per player, save up a few buy-ins and invest in more secure chips that you can’t find immediately for purchase with a quick internet search.

No matter how secure or friendly you think your game is, people cheat and steal all the time. As others have mentioned, having stock $100s in play is dangerous.

Buy once, cry once, etc.

This.

Buy customs from CPC when they open back up or pay the nominal fee to have someone design a custom set of Tina chips. The peace of mind of game security is worth it.

My take:

$1 x 200
$5 x 500
$25 x 200
$100 x 80
$500 x 20

Future proofs the game in a big way and gets in at the OP's preferred quantity

 

[grahamplayscards]

300 1s is definitely overkill. Especially with a dedicated dealer who can make change efficiently for the BB/SB. Agree with MDT’s breakdown.

Moar 5/25s as those will be your workhorse chip.

My breakdown for 1/3 and 5/5 (just 1 table, and you can definitely get by with just 20-25 big chips whether that’s 500s or 1ks, or forgo them all together):

100 $1
300 $5
300 $25
200 $100
50 $1000

 

[Jacks]

@Gorbash also plays these stakes and PLO I think!

 

[Taghkanic]

Starting Stacks for 10 players w/$300 BI
$1 20 = $20
$5 36 = $180
$25 4 = $100

Starting Stacks for 16 players w/$300 BI
$1 10 = $10
$5 28 = $140
$25 6 = $150

In a 1/3 game with a $300 buy-in, players really don’t need $25s right off the bat. You can introduce those via rebuys, or if someone gets a stack large enough to color up.

Also... Using starting stacks that don’t involve barrels or half-barrels (a) gets annoying/finicky and (b) leads to players counting their chips 17 times and invariably thinking they got shorted, even when your count is 100% correct.

In a game with a dealer, I think it is easiest to just use three barrels of $5s to make $300, and then have your dealer give each player 5-10 $1s in change if they want before cards get in the air. Just make sure the dealer has plenty of change.

 

[Old State]

After hosting 20+ years of cash games running from $50/50 NL to $2/5NL this is the 1200 chip break down I have settled on to cover all those stakes. Standard AC colors/denominations (The blue chips are .50s). My main game now is $1/1 with $120 max. My $1/3 is $320 max. We haven’t played $2/5 in a few years but that max was $520 …so smaller than what you usually see in a casino now days.

I add $20 to the max to give everyone a barrel of whites. After the initial buyin I never give out more whites for rebuys or top offs….unless it’s a .50/.50 game which I haven’t had in 5 years at least.

I have also have started getting $25s in play for the $1/1 game even though I have more than enough $5s. At 3am after an 8 hour session and sometimes several beers, it’s WAY easier to cash out with less chips in play.

If my game was exclusively $1/3 $300 buy in, I would obviously not get .50s and roll with just enough $1 have every player start with a barrel (maybe not even every player) and add more $25s.

If you frequent casinos you have probably noticed they limit the amount of $1 chips on the tables for $1/3 and 2/5 games usually making change out of their bank. Problem most home games have is that they usually don't have a bank (I do in the shape of a drawer under the table above my legs)

I realize we are on a poker chip enthusiast forum but If you want to be efficient and make your life as a host easier…I HIGHLY recommend less chips on the table and the introduction of $25s sooner than later during the game.

So I would adjust my chip break down with these things in mind

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[Old State]

I’m not going to give direct breakdown advice, but more kind of like paranoid gambler advice.

If you’re playing in a game where the ABI by the end of the night is $1k per player, save up a few buy-ins and invest in more secure chips that you can’t find immediately for purchase with a quick internet search.

No matter how secure or friendly you think your game is, people cheat and steal all the time. As others have mentioned, having stock $100s in play is dangerous.

Buy once, cry once, etc.

100%. For the game you describe I would absolutely have custom chips. Tina’s are a cheap option if you don’t want to go CPC or BrPro ceramics…etc. I have a set of each.

 

[Taghkanic]

Cashing out players is made easy, even when there are tons of chips on the table, with one simple tool:

Racks.

When someone wants to cash out, I hand them 1-3 racks to organize their chips, and have them bring them over to my case with the money.

The chips are 95% counted by fitting them in racks. A quick lookover to make sure no barrels are short and they get their cash.

And the racks can go straight into the case.

 

[pokerilluminati]

Thank you all for the feedback. i greatly appreciate those of you who took time to offer suggestions and reasoning for the breakdowns.

 

[CF_Tex]

Just ordered 3 sets of sample chips from Apache (Dunes, Taj Mahal & Mirage).

Home game that place big. Standard game (game is not raked) is 2 tables of 1/3 (plays like a big 2/5) NL Holdem and PLO with a max buy in of $300. Getting 16-18k in play is not out of the ordinary as the game plays big. Looking for assistance in the correct breakdown to prevent having to buy another set as I have outgrown the Nevada Jack Dessert Sands set.

Looking for advice with the breakouts below or a better option without purchasing 1500 chips.

Option #0 (Looks like this is the best option to have enough chips. I think the other options would cause some annoyance making change every few hands and gives people more chips to play with instead of feeling like they need to throw out larger bets)
$1 300 $300
$5 500 $3000
$25 300 $7500
$100 100 $1000


Option #1
$1 200 = $200
$5 400 = $2500
$25 300 = $7500
$100 100 = $10000

Thoughts on
Starting Stacks for 10 players w/$300 BI
$1 20 = $20
$5 36 = $180
$25 4 = $100

Starting Stacks for 16 players w/$300 BI
$1 10 = $10
$5 28 = $140
$25 6 = $150

Option #2
$1 300 = $300
$5. 400 = $2000
$25 300 = $7500
$100 100.= $10000 or $100 x 80 plus $500 x 20

Option #3
$1 300 = $300
$5. 400 = $2000
$25 300 = $7500
$100 80 = $8000
$500 20 = $10000

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

PI

To the extent you can make starting stacks easy to count out— feel like it’s easier to quickly manage rebuys. Maybe 50x1s, 40x5s, 2x25s?