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What chip set spot style do you prefer? (4 Viewers)
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buffalojim
Royal Flush
I prefer different progressive spots for tourney and cash sets, but I think the same spot type works well in tourney sets.
You need a third option that just says "yes"
wickedwonka121
Flush
It depends. If im making a mixed set I like progression of spots. If im buying a pre-made set I tend to lean towards same spots. Just something that carried over from the paulson classics I guess.
BPTDirector
Full House
Where’s the option for solids then the ability to check all boxes??
daddylongleg6666
Two Pair
RocAFella1
Royal Flush
Tinas
extreme517
Straight
I like varying spot patterns, but there is something nice and clean about the old Cali chip sets that are often all 3D14 or 4D14...those sets just always look right.
I used to be a progression for everything kinda guy. I have grown to like either equally. Do what your eyes like is what it always boils down to. The only person that needs to love their set of chips is you.
Inserts are not just for aesthetics; they help distinguish one chip from another. The original purpose was to make it easier to see how many were in a stack for counting at a distance.
They still help people who are colorblind identify them more easily than having to see the inlay. A good set will have significantly different insert patterns and color combinations.
BPTDirector
Full House
I’d say the different spots are for the cameras more than anything. The eyes in the sky see everything.
Ghostwheel
Waiting List
I've been lurking for years and I gotta say outside of a few examples I tend to prefer consistent spot style to spot progression. Especially when I look at a lot of custom CPC sets I see the same kinds of spot progression everywhere which looks pretty homogenous across sets. I think if you find a spot pattern that works really well with the inlay you do yourself a service by just sticking to it and making the colors look nice for each denom. I don't think dirty stacks are a concern if your colors are good and I'm not running a casino with black and white cameras.
BigGrizz
Flush
I'm actually not huge on spot progression because it usually means lower (and more used) chips look more bland. I like a general mix of nice designs.
JP1984
Flush
How about "colour progression"...spots stay the same but the colours get more complex
davesilver88
Straight
I don't think I have a preference, both are good.
SeanGecko
4 of a Kind
I like some form of progression in my sets as well.
extreme517
Straight
Great discussion!
My thoughts:
1) Spots are primarily about function, but aesthetics obviously play a role and enhance the overall set.
2) I think many/most custom sets use hideous/contrived/over-thought "progression".
3) The best casino sets will often have a more complex progression across every other chip.
a) Wide spots on a chip followed by narrow spots on the next chip. Progression may be more spots/colors/other more complex spots as the chips move up. Something like narrow spots on the 1/25/500 and wide spots on the 5/100/1000.
4) The chips that use all same width spots, but just add more and more for each progressive chip are terrible in my opinion.
5) I agree that "less is more". A good clean 3D14 set is tough to beat and then yes...color selection aids greatly in creating variety/complexity to the set. Alternate light/dark base colors and spots can be more subdued on some and pop more against others. Don't use same/similar colors in adjacent chips.
6) I think that stack views from the side really matter and are not strongly enough considered by many when designing custom sets. Functionally, we are mostly looking at/viewing stacks of chips from across the table when playing. The more distinguishable the stacks are the better those colors/spots/progressions are in real life and that's what should matter most in a playable set. You want each denom to look distinct compared to the others in play.
The Dunes chips are one decent approach at accomplishing all the above.
My thoughts:
1) Spots are primarily about function, but aesthetics obviously play a role and enhance the overall set.
2) I think many/most custom sets use hideous/contrived/over-thought "progression".
3) The best casino sets will often have a more complex progression across every other chip.
a) Wide spots on a chip followed by narrow spots on the next chip. Progression may be more spots/colors/other more complex spots as the chips move up. Something like narrow spots on the 1/25/500 and wide spots on the 5/100/1000.
4) The chips that use all same width spots, but just add more and more for each progressive chip are terrible in my opinion.
5) I agree that "less is more". A good clean 3D14 set is tough to beat and then yes...color selection aids greatly in creating variety/complexity to the set. Alternate light/dark base colors and spots can be more subdued on some and pop more against others. Don't use same/similar colors in adjacent chips.
6) I think that stack views from the side really matter and are not strongly enough considered by many when designing custom sets. Functionally, we are mostly looking at/viewing stacks of chips from across the table when playing. The more distinguishable the stacks are the better those colors/spots/progressions are in real life and that's what should matter most in a playable set. You want each denom to look distinct compared to the others in play.
The Dunes chips are one decent approach at accomplishing all the above.
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OutOfTown
Sitting Out
My thoughts on this:
Edge spots have a purpose. They are supposed to help distinguish chips from one another. Some considerations that come into play:
- Chips need to be distinguishable in poor lighting conditions. Consider changes in color temperature for mood lighting/dimmed light bulbs that lack in blue and sometimes even green parts of the visible spectrum, which might make colors like dark blue, dark green, dark grey, and black look all the same.
- Chips need to be distinguishable for players with impaired vision, too, including those with a color vision deficiency.
- Chips need to be distinguishable from a distance. At least from across the table and even further away, when we are talking about a casino environment.
- Chips need to be distinguishable from each other in a stack.
- In a casino environment, chips need to be distinguishable on camera surveillance. This is basically a repeat of all of the above, particularly in the earlier days when video surveillance did not have Full HD digital cameras with motorized zoom lenses, but simple black and white CCTVs.
Then we have economical (and security) considerations, too:
- In custom sets made by CPC, more complex edge spots will usually cost more; you probably would not want the chips you need the most of to be the most expensive ones.
- Casinos will likely want the lowest manufacturing cost anyway, but they certainly would not want to pay, let's say, $1.15 for a one dollar chip and lose 15 cents every time a tourist nicks a chip.
- Chips in a casino need to be different from those in a other venues.
- Chips need to have some form of protection against forgery, including simple relabeling of lower denom chip (potentially from a different casino). This is needed even with the availability of RFID when chips are exchanged directly between players, as is the case for poker.
I believe the last point is what led to the introducion of more complex edge spots for high denom chips, leading to the idea of "edge spot progression". While I like the concept, I personally would not stick to it very strictly if I was to create my own personal chip design.
I like idea of a higher value chip looking more sophisticated and "more valuable", but I would not prioritize this over all the other considerations. In the end, which spot spots are viewed as more valuable is a personal taste anyway.
Edge spots have a purpose. They are supposed to help distinguish chips from one another. Some considerations that come into play:
- Chips need to be distinguishable in poor lighting conditions. Consider changes in color temperature for mood lighting/dimmed light bulbs that lack in blue and sometimes even green parts of the visible spectrum, which might make colors like dark blue, dark green, dark grey, and black look all the same.
- Chips need to be distinguishable for players with impaired vision, too, including those with a color vision deficiency.
- Chips need to be distinguishable from a distance. At least from across the table and even further away, when we are talking about a casino environment.
- Chips need to be distinguishable from each other in a stack.
- In a casino environment, chips need to be distinguishable on camera surveillance. This is basically a repeat of all of the above, particularly in the earlier days when video surveillance did not have Full HD digital cameras with motorized zoom lenses, but simple black and white CCTVs.
Then we have economical (and security) considerations, too:
- In custom sets made by CPC, more complex edge spots will usually cost more; you probably would not want the chips you need the most of to be the most expensive ones.
- Casinos will likely want the lowest manufacturing cost anyway, but they certainly would not want to pay, let's say, $1.15 for a one dollar chip and lose 15 cents every time a tourist nicks a chip.
- Chips in a casino need to be different from those in a other venues.
- Chips need to have some form of protection against forgery, including simple relabeling of lower denom chip (potentially from a different casino). This is needed even with the availability of RFID when chips are exchanged directly between players, as is the case for poker.
I believe the last point is what led to the introducion of more complex edge spots for high denom chips, leading to the idea of "edge spot progression". While I like the concept, I personally would not stick to it very strictly if I was to create my own personal chip design.
I like idea of a higher value chip looking more sophisticated and "more valuable", but I would not prioritize this over all the other considerations. In the end, which spot spots are viewed as more valuable is a personal taste anyway.
HiveKueen
Two Pair
Drosoph
High Hand
Beautiful chips
So one of the common cheats is to run in chips; if someone is doing that, it makes it incredibly easier for them to cheat you out of money.
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