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Turned out it was just a bit of glass breaking, but I love how this photo depicts different poker players’ mindsets. One guy is in “hiding”, albeit barely, behind an overturned table and another guy is looking at a dealer like “dude I’m on a good run, deal for God’s sake”…:LOL: :laugh::LOL: :laugh:

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Negreanu was playing in that tournament and there’s a good bit about it in his blog from yesterday. He actually fell, in the mad rush to get out of there, and apparently was trampled a bit and had his hand cut up enough to require first aid.
Really weird stuff.
I have no idea how I’d react in a situation like that. I have a hard time believing I’d join in a mad rush to get out of a room, with no real evidence that there’s actually a shooter in the room? Like, I think I’d need to see or hear something for myself, before joining in the frenzy? But I guess until you’re actually in a situation like that, you don’t know.
 
This isn’t the politics forum. What a FAKE NEWS MSM headline! (Kidding of course)

This was a pretty wild occurrence and the only saving grace was it happened near the end of the series because if this happened in the beginning or the middle it would’ve caused a serious disruption.
 
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Turned out it was just a bit of glass breaking, but I love how this photo depicts different poker players’ mindsets. One guy is in “hiding”, albeit barely, behind an overturned table and another guy is looking at a dealer like “dude I’m on a good run, deal for God’s sake”…:LOL: :laugh::LOL: :laugh:

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I like the guy with the had and soda just shuffling his chips not flinching at all...save goes for the guy on the left on his phone. Must have been some serious breaking glass, or people are jumpy?
 
I like the guy with the had and soda just shuffling his chips not flinching at all...save goes for the guy on the left on his phone. Must have been some serious breaking glass, or people are jumpy?
There were also reports of people setting off fire crackers. Sounds like security were doing a sweep of the casinos and someone in the poker room heard someone say active shooter and bolted for the door with most everyone else following suit. Not sure if we'll get a more complete picture than that.
 
LOL Kinda reminds me of the 1994 Northridge earthquake here in LA. I was actually up playing poker with a couple of my roommate fraternity brothers and we were living in the Sawtelle/West LA area at the time. Everything started shaking pretty good - my bros hit the ground and crawled under the table. I leaned forward and covered all my chips - and they were dice! Maybe I was up at the time, I don't remember... :D smh...
 
There is video surveillance everywhere... It would take awhile, but they could probably get things close to correct.
In my experience, the cameras in the casinos are pretty good but spotty in the poker rooms. I’ve been at tables that had to go to a camera maybe a dozen times, and 3-4 were because they were trying to determine if a player was at a table at a certain time to be eligible for a jackpot or table bonus. The other 8-9 times, they were trying to look at tabled cards, and with that level of detail it’s roughly 50/50.

I kinda see it this way - the casino is going to focus their cameras on situations where their money is at risk (table games). They’re less concerned with whether a player gets a fellow player’s money (poker) and even less so for a temporary venue like a ballroom converted for tournament poker.

It‘s be fascinating to figure out how they got this sorted but I suspect that cameras weren’t a big part of the equation.
 
Not making this political - just practical. Active shooter situations are becoming almost commonplace in this country. I don’t feel comfortable in any building or room where I don’t know where the exits are and I’m not enthralled with the idea of sitting near an entrance with my back to the door. I guess get used to it and have a plan because this situation isn’t changing anytime soon (actually it’s changing never but that’s for the politics thread).
 
Not making this political - just practical. Active shooter situations are becoming almost commonplace in this country. I don’t feel comfortable in any building or room where I don’t know where the exits are and I’m not enthralled with the idea of sitting near an entrance with my back to the door. I guess get used to it and have a plan because this situation isn’t changing anytime soon (actually it’s changing never but that’s for the politics thread).
I agree 1000%. It is a best practice to maintain situational awareness of your surroundings. Too many people walk around in "condition green" by default instead of "condition yellow"... this is especially true with the popularity and prevalence of cell phones.
 
I agree 1000%. It is a best practice to maintain situational awareness of your surroundings. Too many people walk around in "condition green" by default instead of "condition yellow"... this is especially true with the popularity and prevalence of cell phones.
It’s pathetic that this is a requirement in a supposed developed world leading first rate nation, but yeah, particularly in large venues like the WSOP or sporting events.
 
It’s pathetic that this is a requirement in a supposed developed world leading first rate nation, but yeah, particularly in large venues like the WSOP or sporting events.
Ultimately, you are responsible for your own safety. You have to be mentally/physically/spiritually prepared for any manmade or natural disaster that you encounter. There has always been (and will always be) evil people who wish to do others harm. Of course, my views are informed by my life experiences... and the fact that I have carried a firearm for more than 25 years.
 
Let’s just move this thread over to politics now and save ourselves the drama hahaha

Buttt back to the poker tournament….some people wanted to get reimbursed and exit the tournament citing PTSD…I don’t think wsop honored any requests like that tho… and a few other people got injured even worse than Daniel, but I don’t think wsop can honor those requests. I would use an example as if you got into a car accident driving home from day one…they wouldn’t let you get your money back just because you couldn’t go back to play day two?
 
Let’s just move this thread over to politics now and save ourselves the drama hahaha

Buttt back to the poker tournament….some people wanted to get reimbursed and exit the tournament citing PTSD…I don’t think wsop honored any requests like that tho… and a few other people got injured even worse than Daniel, but I don’t think wsop can honor those requests. I would use an example as if you got into a car accident driving home from day one…they wouldn’t let you get your money back just because you couldn’t go back to play day two?

If you were short stack it's worth a try.
 
some people wanted to get reimbursed and exit the tournament citing PTSD
I'm sure some people were genuinely shaken up, but I would also assume the WSOP has some sort of waiver or terms to protect them from an instance like this. Anyone having to register or sign-in have anything they can share on that? I'm sure an actual active shooter would be handled completely different.
 
Let’s just move this thread over to politics now and save ourselves the drama hahaha

Buttt back to the poker tournament….some people wanted to get reimbursed and exit the tournament citing PTSD…I don’t think wsop honored any requests like that tho… and a few other people got injured even worse than Daniel, but I don’t think wsop can honor those requests. I would use an example as if you got into a car accident driving home from day one…they wouldn’t let you get your money back just because you couldn’t go back to play day two?
Some people on Twitter were just surrendering their stack and walking away. Pretty horrible situation all around.
 
I would use an example as if you got into a car accident driving home from day one…they wouldn’t let you get your money back just because you couldn’t go back to play day two?
If there had been a real threat, I think people would have a better argument than the car crash scenario. A casino can’t be responsible for your car crash - that’s on you.
But they do have a responsibility to provide a safe playing environment - if they fail there and you get injured as a result, I think you’d have a legitimate claim. Or at least more legitimate.
But here, there wasn’t actually a shooter - there wasn’t actually a threat. People all panicked at once, over nothing, and they had a bit of a riot. It’s tough to blame the casino for that.
Maybe they could argue that the casino’s room was unsafe in and of itself - insufficient exits and such. But I wouldn’t want to pay a lawyer to go after that long shot.
 
If there had been a real threat, I think people would have a better argument than the car crash scenario. A casino can’t be responsible for your car crash - that’s on you.
But they do have a responsibility to provide a safe playing environment - if they fail there and you get injured as a result, I think you’d have a legitimate claim. Or at least more legitimate.
But here, there wasn’t actually a shooter - there wasn’t actually a threat. People all panicked at once, over nothing, and they had a bit of a riot. It’s tough to blame the casino for that.
Maybe they could argue that the casino’s room was unsafe in and of itself - insufficient exits and such. But I wouldn’t want to pay a lawyer to go after that long shot.
Yeah a real threat/situation for sure would be different.

Car comparison wasn’t the best lol
 
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Yeah a real threat/situation for sure would be different.

Car comparison wasn’t the best lol
The problem is that you don't know if it is real or not as it is happening... Many times, the resulting panic due to uncertainty is worse than the actual event (for example, Daniel's injury). The best you can do is try to keep your cool and take action that is appropriate for you given the circumstances. The picture Tonysquander posted is excellent in that it shows multiple people's response to the situation.
 
The problem is that you don't know if it is real or not as it is happening... Many times, the resulting panic due to uncertainty is worse than the actual event (for example, Daniel's injury). The best you can do is try to keep your cool and take action that is appropriate for you given the circumstances. The picture Tonysquander posted is excellent in that it shows multiple people's response to the situation.
Yes but we are talking about what WSOP should do, and since it wasn’t real active shooter, I don’t think they are entitled to refunds or any preferential treatments for those who panicked. They got to look out what’s best for them (WSOP) and it didn’t merit cancelling the tournament or refunds bc it was a panic induced event.
 
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I wonder if there was actually more than one table flipped? At least in that one picture, all the other tables are still standing so those should be sorted easy, aside from maybe any current pots. But I am genuinely curious how they did handle at least that one flipped table.

I also agree with them not refunding anyone since there was no actual situation - that is a precedent you don't want to set.
 
I wonder if there was actually more than one table flipped? At least in that one picture, all the other tables are still standing so those should be sorted easy, aside from maybe any current pots. But I am genuinely curious how they did handle at least that one flipped table.

I also agree with them not refunding anyone since there was no actual situation - that is a precedent you don't want to set.
I wondered why the table was flipped... If I believe that I hear shots being fired, I am not going to wait behind a table as it offers very little protection. Instead, I am running for an exit out of the area. Concealment is not Cover.

I did not even realize that anyone was advocating for a refund... that is clearly not justified in this case.
 

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