Seeking Opinions on Scratched Cards at Aria (1 Viewer)

[PokerDogDoc]

I was watching a poker vlog filmed at the Aria casino and noticed that many (most?) of the face cards had what appeared to be a scratch across the suit in the corner. I only saw it on face cards shown from filming over a single 6-hour session. See photos.

Opinions on:
-Caused by the Shuffletech?
-Any chance this is noticeable from the backside and thus exploitable by players (basically a “marked” card)?

 

[PokerDogDoc]

Anyone?
Comments on if the Shuffletech did this?

 

[BuckMason]

You’d hope the DeckMate Shufflers at casinos wouldn’t be marking cards like that for as much as they cost.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Huh! Good eye. If the vlogger wasn't a nit we could see whether all the cards are marked the same way. Have to imagine its just the shuffler but its definitely noticable.

 

[PokerDogDoc]

Don’t you think the floor would notice and call in the technician to fix it? Seems bizarre to me.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Don’t you think the floor would notice and call in the technician to fix it? Seems bizarre to me.

It's all shifting baselines. Florida Bestbet had a shuffle that marked every single card that it shuffled and everyone just shrugged. I hated it but the table was full of mouth breathers so I kept quiet.

 

[RocAFella1]

Don’t you think the floor would notice and call in the technician to fix it? Seems bizarre to me.

If there is no visible or discernible mark on the back side of the cards they probably can't be bothered to address the issue.

 

[PokerDogDoc]

Went back and checked a few hands again… it starts about halfway through the session and I noticed that from that point on that it’s only the RED deck! BLUE deck is not marked.

I even found hands with the same cards but different decks…

Red deck:

Blue deck:

Maybe the Deckmate jammed once on the red deck and marked all the cards only in that deck?

 

[roughrabbit]

What's the average lifespan of a casino deck? Maybe it jammed once like you said and they shrugged it off since they'd likely be replaced before it became a concern.

 

[PokerDogDoc]

What's the average lifespan of a casino deck? Maybe it jammed once like you said and they shrugged it off since they'd likely be replaced before it became a concern.

Although I play at casinos now and then (including the Aria), I’ve got no clue on deck lifespan. Maybe @casinochipper22 can weigh in… If I remember correctly he is (or was?) a dealer.

 

[casinochipper22]

Although I play at casinos now and then (including the Aria), I’ve got no clue on deck lifespan. Maybe @casinochipper22 can weigh in… If I remember correctly he is (or was?) a dealer.

I Don't remember how often exactly. Maybe about three months. We did go through a lot of make up decks to cycle the bad cards out.

 

[PokerDogDoc]

I Don't remember how often exactly. Maybe about three months. We did go through a lot of make up decks to cycle the bad cards out.

Interesting... just replacing the bad cards with spares from another deck with the same back. Never knew that.. I just assumed they replaced the whole deck, but I realize now that would be cost prohibitive.

 

[Mongoose]

Good catch. I don’t recall ever seeing that before. I’m curious also what would
cause those marks. I’d of course be WAY more concerned if there were marks on the back of the cards.

 

[PokerDogDoc]

I’d of course be WAY more concerned if there were marks on the back of the cards.

 

[casinochipper22]

Interesting... just replacing the bad cards with spares from another deck with the same back. Never knew that.. I just assumed they replaced the whole deck, but I realize now that would be cost prohibitive.

yeah, much faster to replace one card than to take a whole deck off the table. Then once the bad card comes off the table, you have to make it worse, like bend the crap out of it so it will never be mistaken for a playable card, and then put it back in the makeup deck. we couldn't destroy cards ourselves. We'd wait for a new shipment and it was a big deal issuing new cards in and old ones out. security, surveillance, gaming...

 

[minedelta]

A shuffler can deff cause this. I believe we had people here that experienced a bad shuffle and a shuffler eating up some cards a couple times before tuning it. Usally it's a crease card from where the card doesnt feed into the hopper all the way and then the elevator driving up to fast leaving dents.

The amount of hair and other debris that fall into these machine over the years or even a loose roller screw could cause this. To many possibilities but given it is on the face of the cards and same spot on multiple cards something is scratching against the cards from the shuffler.

 

[PokerDogDoc]

To many possibilities but given it is on the face of the cards and same spot on multiple cards something is scratching against the cards from the shuffler.

Thanks for the informative reply post!