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I posted this in the Jersey meetup thread a couple months back, several folks suggested I add it to the playing card section of the forum as an FYI / PSA. Here it is.... better late than never ;) :p

There were several instances of players finding marked cards on the main black table on Friday night. The decks were changed out when they were found, but I believe we changed out 3 setups in the matter of a couple of hours. Another marked setup was found on Saturday during the tournament on the green hulk table in the shop. The marks on all the cards were very consistent, a slight bend about an inch from the edge of the long side of the card:

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This type of mark is typically caused by a poor card capping technique, where a chip is placed over the cards to cover them - then left on top as the player peaks at their cards, like this:

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It really doesn't take very much pressure to mark a card like this, the corner of the chip is quite effective at creasing the card. Sometimes it's done intentionally to mark certain cards, as it's really tough to see unless you're specifically looking for it - you often "feel" it before you see it.

Posting this as a PSA to alert folks that this kind of card capping can very quickly destroy a set of cards - and get you into trouble. Some hosts won't take the time to go through and vet the deck and if they notice you doing it, they'll automatically assume you're doing it on purpose and toss you.

TLDR: If you cap with a chip, always remember to remove the chip from your cards before peaking at them. :tup:
 
Good PSA indeed. I have noticed this too. Exact same cause. It's too bad because as you say it can really damage a set of cards beyond usability.

One thing I have noticed however it that it's very difficult to spot those creases from across the table. I don't believe people are doing it on purpose, because in my experience it seems to show up on cards of all values.
 
I have similar, maybe same issue. Just started to try and figure it out. Thanks for the PSA I will be on lookout.
 
I saw people mentioned about similar case before

I will billed the guy for the damage cards, it already expensive enough to get proper chip proper table and chair and also proper cards
 
I posted this in the Jersey meetup thread a couple months back, several folks suggested I add it to the playing card section of the forum as an FYI / PSA. Here it is.... better late than never ;) :p

There were several instances of players finding marked cards on the main black table on Friday night. The decks were changed out when they were found, but I believe we changed out 3 setups in the matter of a couple of hours. Another marked setup was found on Saturday during the tournament on the green hulk table in the shop. The marks on all the cards were very consistent, a slight bend about an inch from the edge of the long side of the card:

1655129889525.png



1655129897232.png


This type of mark is typically caused by a poor card capping technique, where a chip is placed over the cards to cover them - then left on top as the player peaks at their cards, like this:

20220613_083717.jpg



20220613_083800.jpg


It really doesn't take very much pressure to mark a card like this, the corner of the chip is quite effective at creasing the card. Sometimes it's done intentionally to mark certain cards, as it's really tough to see unless you're specifically looking for it - you often "feel" it before you see it.

Posting this as a PSA to alert folks that this kind of card capping can very quickly destroy a set of cards - and get you into trouble. Some hosts won't take the time to go through and vet the deck and if they notice you doing it, they'll automatically assume you're doing it on purpose and toss you.

TLDR: If you cap with a chip, always remember to remove the chip from your cards before peaking at them. :tup:

I have the same issue at my game. As with everything else. Cards are getting damn expensive!
 
We have had this exact same problem and they have ruined about a dozen decks. No luck yet in finding the culprit.
 
This is very similiar to the scandal that shook Warsaw's poker society 15 years ago.
Player known as Kufel have been marking Aces and duces with a fingernails..
He was caught and branded as a cheat...
 
This is exactly what the crease on my cards looked like! Now I know what to look out for in my next game. Thanks for this
 
We’ve quit using card cappers in our games, cut way down on this.
Anyone notice this in a casino?
 
These creases were the number one killer of my cards for the longest time until one day I noticed one specific guy doing this with his chip. He refused to believe me at first that it was his fault but then eventually realized it was an unconscious habit of his after I started pointing out when he was doing it. The creases have lessened but it’s clearly just an engrained habit of his and it’s hard to always remind him.
 
We’ve quit using card cappers in our games, cut way down on this.
Anyone notice this in a casino?

This is actually not a bad idea for me to do if this continues to happen because decks aren’t that inexpensive to burn through all the time when you play weekly.
 
This is actually not a bad idea for me to do if this continues to happen because decks aren’t that inexpensive to burn through all the time when you play weekly.
It wasn’t and isn't a hard and fast rule, we just quit encouraging it and it died off.
 
OP, thanks for the heads up - I think only 1 or 2 guys (the ones who regularly play live card room/casino) in my immediate circle or 2 of players use card cappers and I haven't been paying attention to whether they do this or not.

I don't believe people are doing it on purpose, because in my experience it seems to show up on cards of all values.

I think that's key - if the marks are showing up only on specific cards (like the Ace in the OP), then as Russell Peters says, "somebody gonna get hurt real bad"... :mad:
 
I vaguely remember this was a bit of an issue at the WSOP several years ago with many "marked" cards being found. It was ultimately determined that it was a squeeze technique like this, using the cap for "leverage" but was also with players trying to expose the tiniest bit of the card as well.
 
I all time deal at my game and have been reminding my players of this. When it kept happening, last game I started generally berating people - "Ok guys, I just felt one. there's a marked card! don't cap your cards and peek with pressure! I just felt myself deal it!"

Thinking I might ban card protectors next. I knew who my original culprit was about a year ago, no idea who it is now. But it's definitely someone who does it when we are playing more than two card games. Really tired of replacing a couple cards after each game. Into my 3rd setup to keep the original setup live, only 3 games in.
 
Thinking I might ban card protectors next. I knew who my original culprit was about a year ago, no idea who it is now. But it's definitely someone who does it when we are playing more than two card games. Really tired of replacing a couple cards after each game. Into my 3rd setup to keep the original setup live, only 3 games in.
A chip can mark the card as well.
Maybe limit cappers to one of these?
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Used to get a lot of this in pub games, luckily the decks were all aristo club of two colours so I could swap the marked ones out from a withdrawn deck

I would address the tables as a whole rather as singling out one person and remind them of etiquette for looking at there cards, they weren’t being capped, they were just sticking their fingernails into the cards to look at them, happens with inexperienced or in my experience older players with limited experience. Couple of nights swapping marked cards and addressing every table and the pinching of the cards dried up
 

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