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Scammed by USPS? (3 Viewers)

buffalojim said:
I'm not taking sides, but why even send a package of paper when it's guaranteed to be seen as a scam when delivered? Couldn't you just as easily make a label with the correct weight, take all the shit out, drop it off, then claim somebody opened the boxes en route and stole all the shit? I mean, if it wasn't delayed and got delivered on time in a few days, you get paper, you know it's a scam. I'm probably not thinking it all the way through, few sips of coffee is not enough.
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No because the package gets weighed during the trip
 
It’s almost as if having rules and regulations in place for a marketplace would be helpful.

Tommy is putting in feedback on sales now that allow for 1-5 stars it would appear.

This doesn’t apply to Booyah, I wouldn’t think. From a scamming perspective, he may really be one of the absolute few to be above suspicion in that department 110%.

But herein lies the danger. Anyone that’s bought and sold a ton is going to have a huge amount of people, goodwill, and deals in their name.

I’m waiting on chips a month+ from two of the forums most beloved members during an upcoming/pending move. Not a huge deal, I always tell folks to take their time given my own history and life is life.

But they won’t have a 2 or 3 or 4 star feedback on the transaction. They certainly won’t get a negative from me on the current system. But I guarantee if they were ever in the middle of an issue down the line, the whole forum would come out in droves scout their personal experience, and anyone with a not as stellar story would be silent.

We’ve created an environment where if a well known stand up member ran into last resort life circumstance, they could easily pull a $5k scam and 100% get away with it.

Again, doesn’t apply to Booyah, but maybe it’s a fantastic indication of how trading millions of dollars back and forth with no tools or rules is fu*king stupid.

Kudos to the powers that be for (what appears to be) an updated feedback system that is meaningful.
 
FestiveKnight said:
Missing a few words but giving Craig the leeway that something like this is frazzling, basically half the thread? Or are you expecting that he put his dismay through ChatGpt before posting?
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I mean the responses as well.

But I get you. I’ve said he has every right to be pissed. I think from public knowledge as well as the consistent posts in this thread regarding his exchanges and purchasing power, a temporary (potentially permanent and that would suck) $5k loss doesn’t force Booyah into credit cards, pay advances, and a cycle of debt.

But we’re saying he can be frazzled.

The other guy who literally said something along the lines of “can I have a day this is extremely frazzling” instead gets - oh he’s crazy for that.

Alrighty.
 
buffalojim said:
I'm not taking sides, but why even send a package of paper when it's guaranteed to be seen as a scam when delivered? Couldn't you just as easily make a label with the correct weight, take all the shit out, drop it off, then claim somebody opened the boxes en route and stole all the shit? I mean, if it wasn't delayed and got delivered on time in a few days, you get paper, you know it's a scam. I'm probably not thinking it all the way through, few sips of coffee is not enough.
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The post office is gonna weight it when they receive it and deliver it.

Also I still think @SpaceMonkey420 first assumption was I put the paper in it lol
 
BarrieJ3 said:
I mean the responses as well.

But I get you. I’ve said he has every right to be pissed. I think from public knowledge as well as the consistent posts in this thread regarding his exchanges and purchasing power, a temporary (potentially permanent and that would suck) $5k loss doesn’t force Booyah into credit cards, pay advances, and a cycle of debt.

But we’re saying he can be frazzled.

The other guy who literally said something along the lines of “can I have a day this is extremely frazzling” instead gets - oh he’s crazy for that.

Alrighty.
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Are you ever not contrarian?
 
I'm not a lawyer but if the seller knowingly files a false mail tampering claim that sounds like it would be a separate charge under 18 U.S. Code § 1001 rather than regular fraud charge under 18 U.S. Code § 1341.

This is also a civil issue though if your CC does not reimburse you and the seller is not cooperative you will have to sue them to be made whole. Hope you get your money back.
 
Still the GOAT post :LOL: :laugh:

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doublebooyah85 said:
Are you ever not contrarian?
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It’s a fair point you make.

I’m pretty consistent though. I’ve been calling (clamoring) for a feedback system for years.

I tried socially engineering solutions since admins/mods won’t, with transparency on pricing, standards to shipping and timelines, chip description standards, etc.

I’m simply highlighting the extreme double speak and standards, and trying to showcase that this is going to happen again and again and again until changes are made. As someone out $3-4k on exchanges gone wrong, it’d be great to see solutions implemented.

But yes, I’ll def always be contrarian to things like this thread. It’s the same as the 25 threads like it that happened before, with 0 resulting changes.

I’ll get in line and just pile on with everyone because that’s more helpful to do each time.
 
BarrieJ3 said:
It’s a fair point you make.

I’m pretty consistent though. I’ve been calling (clamoring) for a feedback system for years.

I tried socially engineering solutions since admins/mods won’t, with transparency on pricing, standards to shipping and timelines, chip description standards, etc.

I’m simply highlighting the extreme double speak and standards, and trying to showcase that this is going to happen again and again and again until changes are made. As someone out $3-4k on exchanges gone wrong, it’d be great to see solutions implemented.

But yes, I’ll def always be contrarian to things like this thread. It’s the same as the 25 threads like it that happened before, with 0 resulting changes.

I’ll get in line and just pile on with everyone because that’s more helpful to do each time.
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It’s OK I’m sure Mike @SpaceMonkey420 is radio silent so he could be at church right now praying that we find a solution to this. Or maybe he’s at his local police office like he mentioned he would do.
 
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doublebooyah85 said:
It’s OK I’m sure Mike @SpaceMonkey420 is radio silent so he could be at church right now praying that we find a solution to this. Or maybe he’s at his local police office like he mentioned he would do. Or maybe he’s currently moving bc he told me he had to leave his current rental the 1st of this month.
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You should be upset too. The amount you exchange, you should want updates and better protection.

Reading between the lines, these two things appear 100% true.

1. This is a buyer/seller beware marketplace, with little to no tools in place where members trade purely on trust.
2. Your first post(s) talked about this guy being trustworthy, red flags based on price, and every single member after you except 1 I think (not me) talked about the guys extreme erratic behavior.

So people can pile on, they can pitchfork, and they can show up here in support of Craig. But their words and actions and history of this forum are putting a % of the blame on you.

That should be fixed. Or not. I post for giggles( but authentically) and don’t actually care. Just holding up a mirror to grown men who have no code and change their principles and opinions with the wind.

This sucks and didn’t need to happen. 100% look forward to you being made whole. I no longer have sets from TCR sets or non forever sets, or I’d look to assist you and your local to help with the sting.
 
doublebooyah85 said:
@BirdCage as mentioned a few times in this thread and also when I spoke to the post office, even when these boxes were delayed, it is most likely they were not together, but in multiple bins over thousands of boxes. Needle in a haystack the supervisor said. The theft either occurred directly at drop off or at delivery, when we know the two boxes were together and I still think the theft started from the seller, but I’ve made that assumption already.
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Well, then the haystacks moved through the system together! The tracking for both boxes is identical. It makes more sense that the boxes stayed together than being separated and sent along different routes at different times. They go in a large bin, get sorted, then move along. Adding unneeded random sorting and/or transportation to a package doesn't make sense. (I'm surmising that the supervisor was surmising.)

Again, I'm not interpreting what did happen (or what was likely), just saying what is possible in this instance and many others.
 

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So if I’m a dumb shit disgruntled POS USPS distribution center employee and I pick up a heavy as fuck flat rate box…drop the box because I’m a POS…see a bunch of casino chips in the box…think “damn…this is the one I’m stealing today”…see a printer with a shit load of paper nearby….rebuild the box…scan the label…reprint the label…send the box on its way….think to myself “I’m going to Indiana to cash these chips”…realize I can’t because the casino is closed….but it’s too late…I already stole this shit…and the printer is out of paper, now.

I’m fucked.

Seems plausible…I guess.
 
BirdCage said:
Well, then the haystacks moved through the system together! The tracking for both boxes is identical. It makes more sense that the boxes stayed together than being separated and sent along different routes at different times. They go in a large bin, get sorted, then move along. Adding unneeded random sorting and/or transportation to a package doesn't make sense. (I'm surmising that the supervisor was surmising.)

Again, I'm not interpreting what did happen (or what was likely), just saying what is possible in this instance and many others.
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Even when at the same location the supervisor said they just get thrown around and are hundreds and hundreds of boxes.

Nonetheless, I don’t think the delay can be interpreted it is more likely or less likely usps theft imho.

I don’t know what to make of it that both boxes were delivered at same time.

Theres more evidence leading to me getting scammed than not. Those defending innocent until proven guilty are probably going to be able to argue that until the end lol. Go ahead and buy chips from @SpaceMonkey420 and join his online poker club too while you’re at it. And be sure to stop using usps. Actions speak louder than words.
 
Moxie Mike said:
1) Why did this package take 2 weeks to reach it's destination? The shipping label says '3 days'; even a week seems excessive unless it got lost in transit somehow.

2) The package seems to have been at the Sacramento facility for an extended period of time without any movement. That isn't normal.
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Unfortunately, it has become pretty normal.

Here’s the itinerary of a package (not chips, but worth ~$350) I recently ordered.
  • The shipper mailed it out from his post office about an hour away from me.
  • Then it was shipped to a distribution center about 1.25 hours away from me.
  • Then it was shipped to another distribution center about an hour away from me (not the original one).
  • Then it was shipped to yet another distribution center 3.5 hours and several states away from me.
  • Then it was shipped to a post office in that distant state.
  • Then it went back to the distribution center in that distant state.
  • Then after I filed a complaint/inquiry, it quickly wen back to the second distribution center about 1.25 hours away from me.
  • Then it went to my local post office, and finally to me.
Had I known, I could have driven one hour to the shipper and back the same day and gotten it right away. Instead it took about 10 days of USPS bouncing this around pointlessly. (Note: The shipping label had my correct address including ZIP.)

As for having no reason to suspect the seller... Well, the reason might that not one but *two* boxes arrived full of paper instead of chips. And neither box apparently had any obvious sign of tampering.

And to repeat myself: The chances that some random postal worker is going to happen to randomly select these two boxes looking for goodies to steal and say WHOA HEY, PAULSON POKER CHIPS, I LOVE PAULSONS, I’M SO TAKING THESE THEN FILLING THE BOXES WITH REAMS OF BLANK PAPER AND SURGICALLY RESEALING THEM is less than 1/100th of 1% imho.
 
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Taghkanic said:
Unfortunately, it has become pretty normal.

Here’s the itinerary of a package (not chips, but worth ~$350) I recently ordered.
  • The shipper mailed it out from his post office about an hour away from me.
  • Then it was shipped to a distribution center about 1.25 hours away from me.
  • Then it was shipped to another distribution center about an hour away from me (not the original one).
  • Then it was shipped to yet another distribution center 3.5 hours and several states away from me.
  • Then it was shipped to a post office in that distant state.
  • Then it went back to the distribution center in that distant state.
  • Then after I filed a complaint/inquiry, it quickly wen back to the second distribution center about 1.25 hours away from me.
  • Then it went to my local post office, and finally to me.
Had I known, I could have driven one hour to the shipper and back the same day and gotten it right away. Instead it took about 10 days of USPS bouncing this around pointlessly. (Note: The shipping label had my correct address including ZIP.)

As for having no reason to suspect the seller... Well, the reason might that not one but *two* boxes arrived full of paper instead of chips. And neither box apparently had any obvious sign of tampering.

And to repeat myself: The chances that some random postal worker is going to happen to randomly select these two boxes looking for goodies to steal and say WHOA HEY, PAULSON POKER CHIPS, I LOVE PAULSONS, I’M SO TAKING THESE THEN FILLING THE BOXES WITH REAMS OF BLANK PAPER AND SURGICALLY RESEALING THEM is less than 1/100th of 1% imho.
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Indeed. I've had several packages now in the past 2 months that have gone from one coast, to my central distribution center in Austin, then off to another coast before being sent back to my central distribution center and finally to me. Turned a 3-4 day trip into over a week and a half.
 

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