Possible new Stock designs. (1 Viewer)

How about a s-crown tri mold tournament set?!
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25-25k!
 
ekricket said:
I forget, or maybe never knew, but can scrowns be hot stamped?
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They cannot.

But the more I see scrowns, the more I want scrowns. Thus I might just dump the hotstamp idea and go with another inlayed set.

Slowly acquiring AS hotstamps anyway to get that fix. ;)

WedgeRock said:
25¢ and 50¢?

Did you forget the $10 and $50?
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Don't tempt me!
 
Not sure I understand the Circus Maximus theme... The ancient Roman Circus Maximus was a giant stone stadium for chariot races. So I don’t associate that name with a modern circus tent.

But as far as affordable quality chips sets go... All for it.
 
David Spragg said:
Imperial Set

While I have the numbers to hand and have just located the original pic...

The following set of just over 900 chips is available as a 'lot' for just $900 shipped in the US.

ND white x 100
1 blue x 300
5 red x 192
25 green x 145
100 black x 88
500 purple x 56
1000 orange x 58

I'm not splitting it up, someone else is welcome to :)

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I couldn't tell after skimming through this thread:

Is this set still available? How much shipped to Canada?

Sounds like people didn't like it as it mimics the old home Paulson sets. But I love these color combos and the simplicity of the edgespots.

I'd love to buy a set with these colors since it seems like buying any of the old home Paulson sets is now absolutely absurd with prices at $5-$8 per chip.

I think with a different inlay this would be a great stock set for your inventory. You should commission a resident artist (I.e. J5) to put together a few inlay designs. Have 2 or 3 different sets available. Similar to how there used to be JBs, Pharoahs, etc with the same color combos.

I think from a price point perspective you need to filter out some of the 'noise' from some of these chip nerds who want a variety of different molds and crazy schizophrenic edge spot combos. Simple is best.

If your target market is the first time clay chip buyer then a simple high quality product will be enough to blow them away. Just the material, feel, and play of actual compression clay chips will win them over. If they turn into full blown chip nerds then you'll likely get future custom orders from them down the road.

Think of these stock sets as the gateway drug to poker chip addiction. I think alot of folks who were part of CT went to that community entirely for the first Paulson Pharaoh group buy. After that we all got into buying retired casino sets, customs sets, etc.
 
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TheDuke said:
I couldn't tell after skimming through this thread:

Is this set still available? How much shipped to Canada?

Sounds like people didn't like it as it mimics the old home Paulson sets. But I love these color combos and the simplicity of the edgespots.

I'd love to buy a set with these colors since it seems like buying any of the old home Paulson sets is now absolutely absurd with prices at $5-$8 per chip.

I think with a different inlay this would be a great stock set for your inventory. You should commission a resident artist (I.e. J5) to put together a few inlay designs. Have 2 or 3 different sets available. Similar to how there used to be JBs, Pharoahs, etc with the same color combos.

I think from a price point perspective you need to filter out some of the 'noise' from some of these chip nerds who want a variety of different molds and crazy schizophrenic edge spot combos. Simple is best.

If your target market is the first time clay chip buyer then a simple high quality product will be enough to blow them away. Just the material, feel, and play of actual compression clay chips will win them over. If they turn into full blown chip nerds then you'll likely get future custom orders from them down the road.

Think of these stock sets as the gateway drug to poker chip addiction. I think alot of folks who were part of CT went to that community entirely for the first Paulson Pharaoh group buy. After that we all got into buying retired casino sets, customs sets, etc.
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Long gone I'm afraid.

Problem is the first time clay chip buyer seems to think that even $1 a chip is too expensive compared to plastic. Elsewhere I described how developing just one new design and having enough inventory to last until the next production of the same mold could cost $15k so it is a risky process.
 
David Spragg said:
Long gone I'm afraid.

Problem is the first time clay chip buyer seems to think that even $1 a chip is too expensive compared to plastic. Elsewhere I described how developing just one new design and having enough inventory to last until the next production of the same mold could cost $15k so it is a risky process.
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How about running an initial group buy to assess interest in terms of production numbers?

Maybe partner up with some chip retailers to spread the costs/risk? Similar to how the original Pharaoh group buy involved Apache and Holdempokerchips?

This could be a stock inventory set for multiple retailers?

I've been away from the chip scene for a few years now and it seems there is no longer any stock fantasy set of any type of real compression clay chip these days.

The only thing that I see these days are the fake injection molded china 'clay' chips being marketed as compression chips. They're decent for a low range option but not in the same league as your product. It's annoying to see this misrepresentation.

I think a huge vacuum was left when BCC left and Paulson stopped their home lines. Hence the absurd pricing of old fantasy sets.

I think a $1/chip line would be popular amongst chip enthusiasts. There's still a market for people who want legit casino quality chips but can't pay +$2/chip for customs or the +$3/chip for discontinued Paulsons.
 
TheDuke said:
How about running an initial group buy to assess interest in terms of production numbers?

Maybe partner up with some chip retailers to spread the costs/risk? Similar to how the original Pharaoh group buy involved Apache and Holdempokerchips?

This could be a stock inventory set for multiple retailers?

I've been away from the chip scene for a few years now and it seems there is no longer any stock fantasy set of any type of real compression clay chip these days.

The only thing that I see these days are the fake injection molded china 'clay' chips being marketed as compression chips. They're decent for a low range option but not in the same league as your product. It's annoying to see this misrepresentation.

I think a huge vacuum was left when BCC left and Paulson stopped their home lines. Hence the absurd pricing of old fantasy sets.

I think a $1/chip line would be popular amongst chip enthusiasts. There's still a market for people who want legit casino quality chips but can't pay +$2/chip for customs or the +$3/chip for discontinued Paulsons.
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We've already been round that process twice with no takers. You can't physically manufacture a clay chip for $1. They are going to be $1.60-$2 each, and people seem to prefer to pay the $3 and have the Paulson's.
 
David Spragg said:
We've already been round that process twice with no takers. You can't physically manufacture a clay chip for $1. They are going to be $1.60-$2 each, and people seem to prefer to pay the $3 and have the Paulson's.
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So with those prices ($1.60-$2) has the compression clay chip become too expensive for the market you're trying to reach? (From the first post it's the person looking to buy a gift who usually end up buying $100 sets).

I think I'm in the very small market of chip enthusiast willing to invest a ton of money and time into the hobby (hence my participation in this forum) and to be brutally honest I wouldn't pay that much for a stock set.

I think unfortunately, the market you want is being served by the cheap sets on eBay and the mid tier china clay chips. Getting the casual buyer to make the jump from $100-$300 for a 500 chip gift set to $800-$1000 is way too large of a leap regardless of difference in quality.

If you want that segment of the market you need to find a way to dramatically lower your price (I.e.costs). And it seems the only way to do that in a meaningful way is to reduce labor costs. And the only way to do that is to move manufacturing to China, Mexico, etc.
 
David Spragg said:
We've already been round that process twice with no takers. You can't physically manufacture a clay chip for $1. They are going to be $1.60-$2 each, and people seem to prefer to pay the $3 and have the Paulson's.
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I don't think the issue is someone choosing to pay $3 and have Paulson's. I think the issue is they could go with pretty simple edgespots and get a custom set for not much more. $1.60 for a chip is still a ton of money and when thinking custom vs generic it's pretty much no contest. I remember looking at the Paulson line of generic chips and thinking $.79 was too much to pay for something that didn't really speak to me.

I ended up going with a custom injection molded dice style chip (because it was $.05 cheaper than TRK's... What the actual eff was I thinking?). :rolleyes: If I only knew then what I know now.
 
ChipEnvy said:
I don't think the issue is someone choosing to pay $3 and have Paulson's. I think the issue is they could go with pretty simple edgespots and get a custom set for not much more. $1.60 for a chip is still a ton of money and when thinking custom vs generic it's pretty much no contest. I remember looking at the Paulson line of generic chips and thinking $.79 was too much to pay for something that didn't really speak to me.

I ended up going with a custom injection molded dice style chip (because it was $.05 cheaper than TRK's... What the actual eff was I thinking?). :rolleyes: If I only knew then what I know now.
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I don't agree. As stated earlier, the target market is not the people on this forum or anyone else that wants a custom set. It's the customers that need a set shipped same day for a gift etc. Pretty obvious most stock set sales are based on that as sales peak in the 2-3 weeks before Xmas etc.
 
TheDuke said:
... it seems the only way to do that in a meaningful way is to reduce labor costs. And the only way to do that is to move manufacturing to China, Mexico, etc.
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My impression of the fabrication process is that it is very much an artisan effort by skilled individuals utilizing specialized tooling. I think the people doing the work have been doing it for a while. They are likely efficient at the process. Moving the fabrication to China or Mexico will have a long learning curve resulting in QC issues that would take away from the cost reduction.

An alternate solution is a more automated process here in the states. This however is an expensive and risky investment (long ROI).

Challenging problem.
 
David Spragg said:
I don't agree. As stated earlier, the target market is not the people on this forum or anyone else that wants a custom set. It's the customers that need a set shipped same day for a gift etc. Pretty obvious most stock set sales are based on that as sales peak in the 2-3 weeks before Xmas etc.
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I don't know squat about the finer details of your business, but it sounds like your target market for stock chips is people with a very large, but not exorbitant (ie. Paulson) amount of money to spend, in a time crunch, that doesn't really care too much what they end up with as long as it is "casino quality"... and a few of us nuts here. Not sure your risk is worth the potential payoff if the audience is that small.

I just looked real quickly on the CPC site and didn't see a gift card option easily find-able. Maybe put together a cheap but cute presentation box with a gift card and sample chip that can be wrapped as a gift and call it good?
 
ChipEnvy said:
I don't know squat about the finer details of your business, but it sounds like your target market for stock chips is people with a very large, but not exorbitant (ie. Paulson) amount of money to spend, in a time crunch, that doesn't really care too much what they end up with as long as it is "casino quality"... and a few of us nuts here. Not sure your risk is worth the potential payoff if the audience is that small.

I just looked real quickly on the CPC site and didn't see a gift card option easily find-able. Maybe put together a cheap but cute presentation box with a gift card and sample chip that can be wrapped as a gift and call it good?
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As I said, we've sold 50,000 stock chips in 2 years so I don't see creating one further design as much risk.
Gift card idea is interesting though, I'll work on that.
 
@ChipEnvy

David Spragg said:
As I said, we've sold 50,000 stock chips in 2 years so I don't see creating one further design as much risk.
Gift card idea is interesting though, I'll work on that.
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If you make a gift card box with an actual gift card and not a “gift chip” with some kind of cool inlay it will be a real missed opportunity :)
 
If you want a beta tester for the whole process of cashing in a gift card chip, pm me.
 
David Spragg said:
As I said, we've sold 50,000 stock chips in 2 years so I don't see creating one further design as much risk.
Gift card idea is interesting though, I'll work on that.
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Just thinking out loud, I've got to think there's a potentially untapped middle market between 50,000 high end chips ($1.60) in 2 years and the 30,000* low/mid chips ($0.35) committed to in about 2 weeks for the china clay board game design.

*Caveat: the +30,000 'commitment' is just people posting hypothetical numbers and not real sales numbers.

Somewhere in between there are a number of buyers willing to cough up money for something in the middle but there's just no product/manufacturer in that category (~$1). Sorry to keep rambling... just full of regret for not holding onto old sets and not ordering more when the market was saturated with choices.
 

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