Poker Rooms under attack in Texas (1 Viewer)

A fee to sit at a poker table is a rake by definition

Right, just because they made it a separate transaction, doesn't change why the money was charged...It was specifically to run a poker game.

And to that point, an update: It seems one of the rooms is changing from a "poker room" to a "game room". Many other things will be played there, pool, ping pong, and board games. I guess they are going the Country Club version of the private member route, where many things go on in the CC, and poker happens to be one of them. CC's have some activities that are included in the price, and some activities with additional charges. They usually charge green fees, but they don't charge the guys to play poker back in the secret lair. So to me, they can charge a membership fee but not the seat rental fee. And also ignore the fact that 1% of activities in a CC is poker, and here it is 99%...again, just ignore that.
 
And also ignore the fact that 1% of activities in a CC is poker, and here it is 99%...again, just ignore that.

An argument can be made that the percentages do not affect the legality of the structure. However, I'm sure the higher the percentage of the members playing poker, the more scrutiny it will draw from law enforcement.

I was a member of a cigar club, where about 40% of the members played poker on a regular basis. The club took no money from the game, and didn't handle the poker money at all. The players kept the bank during games. We had no problems at all. The police chief and the mayor both made a visit and gave their stamp of approval.
 
It's exactly how the courts work - these clubs challenge the law and if they succeed we can play poker. If not, the clubs still open are at a constant risk of being raided.

Well, to be fair, you are under constant risk of an illegal search. If it happens, you can challenge the search in court. I think that was Mogobu's point... Its not like the courts are going to pre-rule as to whether these rooms are legal... They will just resolve the issue when challenged.
 
Well, to be fair, you are under constant risk of an illegal search. If it happens, you can challenge the search in court. I think that was Mogobu's point... Its not like the courts are going to pre-rule as to whether these rooms are legal... They will just resolve the issue when challenged.
Right - it isn't like the law changes, but the precedent is set. And isn't that what all of our laws operate by anyway? Previous precedent?
 
An argument can be made that the percentages do not affect the legality of the structure. However, I'm sure the higher the percentage of the members playing poker, the more scrutiny it will draw from law enforcement.

I was a member of a cigar club, where about 40% of the members played poker on a regular basis. The club took no money from the game, and didn't handle the poker money at all. The players kept the bank during games. We had no problems at all. The police chief and the mayor both made a visit and gave their stamp of approval.
This is the only way I see it working here in TX. Country clubs have games all the time, as do cigar lounges. But once you open a building whose primary purpose is poker you'll get a friendly visit from the SWAT team :sneaky:
 
Public attention is not good for the (il)legal poker rooms in Texas. Absent public notice, these rooms can fly under the radar and law enforcement can use discretion as they see fit. But with each instance of the law breaking being flaunted in public there will come a rising tide of pressure on the police to take action. Perhaps the more liberal, freedom loving cities in Texas might be able to turn a blind eye but the areas that are more conservative will be hard pressed not to take action against underground poker rooms.
 
It is with a heavy heart, sadness and great disappointment that I have to announce FTN will be closing the club Monday Oct. 23rd. The Collin County DA's office has decided that they will not allow our clubs to exist or operate out in the open within Collin County. The McKinney City Police department will allow us to operate through Monday unbothered, if we voluntarily close our business Monday. I'm of course most frustrated and sadden by the situation I've placed my family and my employees. If you know of anyone hiring great people please reach out. In addition, if you're looking for a great poker game around the McKinney area, please message me (Jody Wheeler) and I'll be able to direct you to a great spot that's safe, clean, high action, honest, low cost and fun! Please join us this afternoon as we have a great final day at the club playing the game that we all love! I will be there all afternoon to answer any questions you have directly and I'll of course respond on FB asap. I do requests that you be sensitive to my employees feelings, losing a job with short notice is a very hard thing for anyone to process.

This was posted on FTNs facebook page 1hr ago :(
 
sad, but not surprising to me, given the other events in Plano, which is also Collin County.
 
Well that sucks...still begs to question why Austin and Houston rooms are able to operate but DFW keeps getting the smack down....
 
Well that sucks...still begs to question why Austin and Houston rooms are able to operate but DFW keeps getting the smack down....


It's been suggested that the OK casinos may have applied some pressure since these rooms are hurting their business, where as I don't think the rooms in Houston, San Antonio, and Austin are impacting them at all since they are much further away.
 
It's been suggested that the OK casinos may have applied some pressure since these rooms are hurting their business, where as I don't think the rooms in Houston, San Antonio, and Austin are impacting them at all since they are much further away.

Yeah I could definitely see that as a driving force. However the Texas gambling laws are state wide not county wide right...

Seems to me those rooms in DFW being shut down should question why they’re business models are similar to the same as those down South and they’re being descriminated against.
 
Law enforcement has wide discretion in deciding who to cite for potential wrong doing and who to let pass by unremarked. Prosecutors and regulatory bodies have similar authority.

This shouldn't be remarkable or unfamiliar to anyone. We see it happen all the time, both to ourselves and to other people. Some people get ignored while committing a moving violation, others would get pulled over and get a warning, while others get a traffic citation. The "shady biker bar" gets a threat for running free bar poker, the Mexican food place a few blocks down the road running the same game one day earlier in the week never hears a word.

These poker rooms are, at best, in a grey area of the law. I personally think they are black and white unlawful. If no one complains and the room isn't causing a problem, then they get ignored. The police and courts have plenty of other, more serious, things to spend their time upon. However, there are locations in Texas where poker isn't considered harmless. Maybe it is as @dkersey suggests and the legal cardrooms in other states feel harmed - enough so to put pressure on the local LEOs to enforce the law. Maybe it is a local religious group who feels Jesus is offended by gambling. Maybe a local cop had someone in his/her family get into gambling addictions and feels compelled to act. Maybe the Friday night crowds grew large enough to upset the neighbors.

The bottom line is every card room is left unmolested at the discretion of local and state law enforcement. The last six weeks or so, said discretion ran out in the Dallas area. Next month it could be Houston, next year San Antonio while the card rooms in Austin are never subject to the threat of legal action. Yes, they are being discriminated against. So what? That happens all the time, not just in Texas but in every state of the union. Equal treatment under the law is, at best, an aspirational goal. More likely, "equal treatment under the law" is the story peddled to children, people of privilege and politicians running for office.

You play in the games, you take your chances -=- DrStrange
 
Not under attack here in Austin; I'd say the opposite actually. Heard a radio commercial this a.m. for The Texas Cardouse.
 
I for 1, just think that TX wants everyone to spend thier money in Ok or La.

Oh well, all that revenue just gone.!!!!!!
 
I for 1, just think that TX wants everyone to spend thier money in Ok or La.

Oh well, all that revenue just gone.!!!!!!

That’s the issue, it seems to be allowed and accepted in some parts of Texas however not North Texas where OK and LA’s biggest customers come from!
 
Just heard that the AG is apparently about to go after the Austin and Houston rooms as well to shut this subject down in Texas. Apparently they would rather have underground rooms as the main source of poker in Texas and get no taxes or potential to be a part of the community and employee folks.
 
Just heard that the AG is apparently about to go after the Austin and Houston rooms as well to shut this subject down in Texas. Apparently they would rather have underground rooms as the main source of poker in Texas and get no taxes or potential to be a part of the community and employee folks.

What’s your source?
 
What’s your source?

I been debating to open one of these in Tarrant County the last few months. We were hoping it was only a Collin County issue. However our attorney told us to hold off as he’s heard within the last week the news is the AG is going to be coming down on those rooms as well....take it with a grain of salt as only time will tell though for sure.
 
I been debating to open one of these in Tarrant County the last few months. We were hoping it was only a Collin County issue. However our attorney told us to hold off as he’s heard within the last week the news is the AG is going to be coming down on those rooms as well....take it with a grain of salt as only time will tell though for sure.
So sad
 
Is there a chance that this would back fire into our favor? Meaning it would have to go to the courts giving a fighting chance at legalizing it?
 
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Is there a chance that this would back fire into our favor? Meaning it would have to go to the courts giving a fight chance at legalizing it?

That’s I’m assuming our only chance. Texas Card House being open for a couple years I believe should have the bank roll to fund a fight. However will they risk felony charges is another question as that’s what was the DA threatens FTN with. Not just holding a gambling place but organized crime...
 
It's just the TX Authorities and Goverment that's aganist Poker.

Gambling is apparently controled by the Church Folks, who don't want it.

Go to Ok or La and the parking lots are 3/4 full with TX Lisc Plates.

This may come back and bite me in the Ass, as Normal Folks just want to do what they want. Gamble as they wish.

But The Lottery Isn't Gambeling, is it ??????

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Gambling is apparently controled by the Church Folks, who don't want it.

This is the common assumption, but it's really the casinos in LA and OK that are behind the opposition with tons of money at their disposal.

This is not the first go around on this. Same thing happened with dog racing and horse racing in the state. That was a 30+ year battle.
 

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