Poker Room players targeted in Houston (2 Viewers)

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Perhaps this may hasten the move to cashless models of payment?
Doubtful. Cash for the average player is still king, just like casinos.

Edit: Also keep in mind this is also Houston. Big city with big targets for crime. Business owners after bank visits, or others from ATM visits have been a long time big target for cash theft/robbery. Those Houston criminals even drive to Austin to perfrom these acts of jugging. Heck, back when we lived there it was sketchy to shop in China town at night or alone. Houston has a lot of crime. It has happened at the card rooms here too, just maybe not as frequent. Always should stay alert and protect yourself whenever going to or leaving any place that deals in high amounts of cash.
 
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I like to think that I remain very cautious any time I have a wallet full of cash, but even I would let my guard down once I've left the casino area and made it back to my hotel.

Fortunately I have the perfect defense to prevent robbery.

I lose everything at the tables.
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This sounds like something the cardrooms and cops should be able to nail down. These aren't robberies of random patrons; an organized group is surveilling the tables and putting a target on the backs of winners. Figure out who they are and put them all in prison. Protecting people from being robbed of property is one of the basic functions of government.

Perhaps this may hasten the move to cashless models of payment?
NEVER.
 
Let's hope they arrested the right people. One of their victims was a guy in his 70s, I believe.
 
One of my buddies (the table nutter no less) was hit by this about a year ago and had it on his ring camera - mugged at gun point right at his front door. Scary stuff. Hope these guys all get caught and put away. Likely will be some other dumbass behind them though.
 
Was there any indication of how much the victims had won? Gunpoint robberies for straight cash are pretty common in the US. At what point do you decide on a victim that may want to fight you for the money vs a convenience store where the employee doesn't give a shit about the cash?
 
Doubtful. Cash for the average player is still king, just like casinos.

Edit: Also keep in mind this is also Houston. Big city with big targets for crime. Business owners after bank visits, or others from ATM visits have been a long time big target for cash theft/robbery. Those Houston criminals even drive to Austin to perfrom these acts of jugging. Heck, back when we lived there it was sketchy to shop in China town at night or alone. Houston has a lot of crime. It has happened at the card rooms here too, just maybe not as frequent. Always should stay alert and protect yourself whenever going to or leaving any place that deals in high amounts of cash.



i would also say cash is king, but i've been playing with a bunch of college students and recent grads and they been telling me they all use venmo now....they dont bring cash and just venmo back and forth. they said cops came once and they said theyre just playing for fun. I like cash bc i like to keep my bankroll separate from my other expenses (all $27 of it LoL) venmo makes sense and makes it really easy, but a gangsters roll of $1s when the ice cream truck stops by is fun
 
i would also say cash is king, but i've been playing with a bunch of college students and recent grads and they been telling me they all use venmo now....they dont bring cash and just venmo back and forth. they said cops came once and they said theyre just playing for fun. I like cash bc i like to keep my bankroll separate from my other expenses (all $27 of it LoL) venmo makes sense and makes it really easy, but a gangsters roll of $1s when the ice cream truck stops by is fun
Most of the home games we have are a mixture for sure. Everyone starts with some cash but late in the night when some run out of cash they venmo to someone who hands them cash to continue their buyins. While there's some electronic transfers in the background, the cash is in play one way or another. On some ocassions the venmo is to the banker who can also pay back out with that payment at the end. I just gets a little messy when there's a good amount of drinking involved in the game.
 
Certainly hastens the move to carry a gun.

Second Amendment.

You draw on me and I guess we’re both All-In.
While I support gun ownership, The speed of the elevator attack was so swift that a gun would have been useless, unless your plan was to shoot the fleeing suspects in the back in the hotel lobby. I don't think that even a Texas jury would let you see daylight for a while.

In the home robbery, the thieves probably had the drop on the victim. You might be able to quickly draw, aim, and fire before the guy moves his finger 1/3 an inch - it happens in the movies all the time, and Hollywood is always 100% realistic, right?

Or maybe, we're back to shooting them in the back. In which case, I celebrate you for taking an a**hole of the planet - but I'm still not paying your legal defense fees (though I would contribute something to the fund).
 
While I support gun ownership, The speed of the elevator attack was so swift that a gun would have been useless, unless your plan was to shoot the fleeing suspects in the back in the hotel lobby. I don't think that even a Texas jury would let you see daylight for a while.

In the home robbery, the thieves probably had the drop on the victim. You might be able to quickly draw, aim, and fire before the guy moves his finger 1/3 an inch - it happens in the movies all the time, and Hollywood is always 100% realistic, right?

Or maybe, we're back to shooting them in the back. In which case, I celebrate you for taking an a**hole of the planet - but I'm still not paying your legal defense fees (though I would contribute something to the fund).
As a conceal and carry guy in MN I’m well aware of what constitutes a “good” self defense use of a a firearm and even then you’re buried in legal fees and have to deal with having shot someone.

You got any better ideas?

Maybe we should just stay indoors and cower…
 
While I support gun ownership, The speed of the elevator attack was so swift that a gun would have been useless, unless your plan was to shoot the fleeing suspects in the back in the hotel lobby. I don't think that even a Texas jury would let you see daylight for a while.

In the home robbery, the thieves probably had the drop on the victim. You might be able to quickly draw, aim, and fire before the guy moves his finger 1/3 an inch - it happens in the movies all the time, and Hollywood is always 100% realistic, right?

Or maybe, we're back to shooting them in the back. In which case, I celebrate you for taking an a**hole of the planet - but I'm still not paying your legal defense fees (though I would contribute something to the fund).
So don’t carry bc you came up w three scenarios out of hundreds lol Can’t wait to play cards with you if you make decisions on small sample sizes :-)
 
I also feel like both of these situations were defendable situations. Maybe not by everyone but it could have been countered/protected.

Driving home from a poker room you have to pay close attention to any cars that may be following you. To a hotel in a busy area is tougher as there's general traffic along the way and is this person is likely a visitor to the area to play at the poker rooms. Not being as familiar with the area takes some of your focus away, but to say there was no ability to defend yourself at that elevator is simply not true. He was able to turn and see those guys before they struck. Having a hoodie on with your face covered should send someone immediately into fight or flight mode.

The older gentleman who was followed to his home and then robbed is a tough situation for him given his age, but again defendable. Leaving a poker game/poker club I'm aways extra sensitive to any cars that may be following me and will deliberately go a different route when I get any thought of a possible tail. Maybe that's just me and my paranoia but better safe than sorry.
 
Me? I just give them my money. Even if I have a 90%+ win rate vs the other shooters, the expected value of losing is so negative that losing my winnings from a poker game to a thief seem like small potatoes.

Being that I am old and slow, I expect my victory chance vs another shooter is far less than 90%. Let's not be an idiot. A gun fight over a bit of money seems like a really bad idea. -=- DrStrange
 
I also feel like both of these situations were defendable situations. Maybe not by everyone but it could have been countered/protected.

Driving home from a poker room you have to pay close attention to any cars that may be following you. To a hotel in a busy area is tougher as there's general traffic along the way and is this person is likely a visitor to the area to play at the poker rooms. Not being as familiar with the area takes some of your focus away, but to say there was no ability to defend yourself at that elevator is simply not true. He was able to turn and see those guys before they struck. Having a hoodie on with your face covered should send someone immediately into fight or flight mode.

The older gentleman who was followed to his home and then robbed is a tough situation for him given his age, but again defendable. Leaving a poker game/poker club I'm aways extra sensitive to any cars that may be following me and will deliberately go a different route when I get any thought of a possible tail. Maybe that's just me and my paranoia but better safe than sorry.
I'm always watching for a tail. I can't be sure that my wife hasn't hired a PI to follow me around.

Also, fuck a bunch of trying to shoot the robber who has a gun. Here's my money, have a nice day. Being the second guy to pull a gun is just asking to be shot.
 
With all the cheating and theft and shootings stories I dunno what goin on in Houston but good luck out there, that’s wild
 
So don’t carry bc you came up w three scenarios out of hundreds lol Can’t wait to play cards with you if you make decisions on small sample sizes :-)
I didn't say I don't carry. I'm saying that there are scenarios where a gun is completely useless.

The OP scene was a perfect example, all caught on camera. The attackers were in his field of vision for under 4 seconds. They were on him for 10 seconds then fled. It didn't look like the victim even defended himself, but the video has been clearly edited (judging by the time stamp).

If anything, carrying a gun in this case would have rewarded the attackers with a new toy. Plus, vacationing (the victim was in a hotel) with a gun is high risk. You either have to check it and trust it will make it to your location, become an air marshal, or drive everywhere.

There are times where I don't need a deep sample size. In the situations listed, defense via situational awareness is more valuable than carrying a gun - and more fun than staying "indoors and cower". I don't live in an action movie - but I also don't live in a high crime area, so YMMV.
 
I didn't say I don't carry. I'm saying that there are scenarios where a gun is completely useless.

The OP scene was a perfect example, all caught on camera. The attackers were in his field of vision for under 4 seconds. They were on him for 10 seconds then fled. It didn't look like the victim even defended himself, but the video has been clearly edited (judging by the time stamp).

If anything, carrying a gun in this case would have rewarded the attackers with a new toy. Plus, vacationing (the victim was in a hotel) with a gun is high risk. You either have to check it and trust it will make it to your location, become an air marshal, or drive everywhere.

There are times where I don't need a deep sample size. In the situations listed, defense via situational awareness is more valuable than carrying a gun - and more fun than staying "indoors and cower". I don't live in an action movie - but I also don't live in a high crime area, so YMMV.
Open carrying (legally allowed in my state and several) leaving a poker game almost guarantees you won’t be robbed.

I don’t need to type out a long winded response either. Carrying a gun is good for your protection. We can discuss 1 million situations either way, but I’d rather have it.

Even if it’s concealed, I thought these robbers did their Hw. You no longer would be a target etc
 
I seriously doubt that a guy - arrested 1 week earlier on the same charges - even knows how to spell homework.

The question is, would he be smart enough to leave you alone, or would he think "I can get money, and a gun"? The prisons aren't overflowing because criminals are making great choices.
 
Me? I just give them my money. Even if I have a 90%+ win rate vs the other shooters, the expected value of losing is so negative that losing my winnings from a poker game to a thief seem like small potatoes.

Being that I am old and slow, I expect my victory chance vs another shooter is far less than 90%. Let's not be an idiot. A gun fight over a bit of money seems like a really bad idea. -=- DrStrange
This is my philosophy. I can always make more money. But if I think you're gonna hurt me or my family regardless, I'll go down fighting.

Try and tie me up and I go bezerker. Getting tied up always ends poorly.
 
This is my philosophy. I can always make more money. But if I think you're gonna hurt me or my family regardless, I'll go down fighting.

Try and tie me up and I go bezerker. Getting tied up always ends poorly.
I've been robbed a couple times, both at work. My experience is that if you let robbers get away with it, they will come back again.*

That's what happened with the second guy who robbed me. He was some local dufus who lived, I shit you not, right across the street from the store where he robbed me, up a dead-end street with only a handful of houses. He was wearing a full face mask, but I recognized him from his voice and his lanky posture. Fleeing up the dead-end street only confirmed who I thought it was.

One Monday night, he dive-bombed over the counter at me with a pocket knife and threatened to kill me if I didn't empty the drawer out for him. He managed to miss like half the available cash, $100+ in small bills in a side drawer. (Idiot.) I spoke to the cops, but as far as I know, they didn't quite have enough to go on (it's not like I knew his name or his address), and they never contacted me later. I spent the whole night in a rage, playing back every moment of the robbery in my head, wishing I'd had the foresight to make a move during the couple windows he left for me to act (diving over the counter and turning his back to me to flee). If I had that moment again I'd end his fucking life. Not sure how many of you have had someone credibly threaten to kill you while pointing a weapon at you, but it left me in quite a state. I wanted him dead, simple as that.

Two days later, a customer caught the same prick lurking in a hidden spot in the side of the building, apparently waiting for the place to clear out so he could rob me again—wearing the same mask, bunched up on his forehead like he was waiting to pull it down. He fumbled some obvious bullshit story about waiting for a ride (in a place where no one could see him from the street).

I immediately hit all the switches to close the security gates, but the guy came inside before I could get the main one, feigning innocence. "What's everyone so nervous about?" he asked. You could tell he knew. I could sense he was about as nervous as I was. I explained to him about the robbery and everything, with a bit of embellishment about how much trouble the robber would be in if he got caught. Told him I had to close for the night. He left pretty quickly. I don't think he ever came back to that store again.

He's lucky he didn't try to rob me again. I would have dealt as much damage as possible as soon as he showed me the smallest opportunity. I don't think I've ever felt rage like that toward another human being. I randomly saw him again years later, in a movie theater, and my then-girlfriend had to make me leave because I was just staring at him and talking out loud about how much I wanted to kill him.

This is all to say, I wish more people would fight back against robbers. Every time they get away with it, they take it as a lesson that it's a reliable way to make money. Every time, they become bolder and more experienced. This conventional oversimplification that your money isn't worth your life is what lets them walk away even in cases where the victim could have safely landed a shot or dealt a crippling blow to the cerebellum. Every time you let one walk away, it's not just your life you're gambling; it's the lives of all the other people they'll try to rob and attack in the future. It does make sense to play it safe in many circumstances, but to completely write off self-defense out of fear is a mistake.
 

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