Hairy_Crocodile
3 of a Kind
So, I had an interesting experience last weekend at a friend's home game that I thought I'd share and ask your opinions on. Luckily, I wasn't on the receiving end of any of the bad part of it.
So, I am playing with a group of friends, probably 12 of us in total played throughout the night, 8-9 handed, 25¢/50¢ stakes.
We have 1 Dealer (the host), who is also banking. He always stops action when touching chips for re-buy's, cash outs, etc.
Normally, we have a few of us that like to deal, so we will have 1 dedicated dealer for periods of the night. With the table shape being weird, and experience level of some of the players shuffling/dealing making the game slow to a snails crawl, having a few guys like take turns dealing sitting near the center of the table just makes it easier for us as opposed to a self dealt game. I really have no worries about people trying to cheat as a dealer, I've known them all for years.
I buy in for $50, top off for $30 more and get felted on a suck-out later in the night. I decide I just want to smoke and hang out with everyone still, so I stick around. I'm watching dumb hands, laughing and talking with everyone, and eventually we decide to call it after a huge hand between the two big stacks get it all in on the flop and one of them gets stacked. (Flopped 2 pair vs top pair w/jack kicker into turned bigger 2 pair)
I go outside to smoke with the rest of the guys that got felted and hear commotion inside. People looked heated and confused, there was somehow still ~$100+ or so "missing" from the bankroll (I dont remember the exact number). After tallying up the buy ins, it looked like someone had introduced chips into the game either by cheating, miscounting stacks at payout, or the host making stacks for players that were supposed to be showing up later in the night getting absorbed somehow by players. So the money that was "missing", as far as I know, didnt exist. It was added artificially to the table it seems.
The big winner ($500+) was pissed, and said that because the host messed up and nobody knows where the mistake happened, that everyone should pony up for it collectively and pay him what he was missing. Only a few of the players at the table got paid out out of everyone, and the big winner was paid out last.
I genuinely think that the host messed up, and that the possibility of a player cheating at this game is very unlikely, in my opinion. If I had to make a bet, i think the stacks he set aside for his own convenience when others showed up were what caused the issue in the first place.
Ultimately, it was "resolved" after I had left where the big winner just got paid out $400-something and was told that the rest of the missing money didnt exist. None of the others that got paid out before really tried to speak up on the matter apparently.
How the heck do you mess up that bad, and how the heck do you resolve an issue like that?
What do you do in situations like this? The game state was so messed up that I have no idea how that would be fixed with that many chips being introduced to the game, or at least that much miscounting. Some people had been paid out and left already, so I do not know how they would fairly come to a conclusion.
So, I am playing with a group of friends, probably 12 of us in total played throughout the night, 8-9 handed, 25¢/50¢ stakes.
We have 1 Dealer (the host), who is also banking. He always stops action when touching chips for re-buy's, cash outs, etc.
Normally, we have a few of us that like to deal, so we will have 1 dedicated dealer for periods of the night. With the table shape being weird, and experience level of some of the players shuffling/dealing making the game slow to a snails crawl, having a few guys like take turns dealing sitting near the center of the table just makes it easier for us as opposed to a self dealt game. I really have no worries about people trying to cheat as a dealer, I've known them all for years.
I buy in for $50, top off for $30 more and get felted on a suck-out later in the night. I decide I just want to smoke and hang out with everyone still, so I stick around. I'm watching dumb hands, laughing and talking with everyone, and eventually we decide to call it after a huge hand between the two big stacks get it all in on the flop and one of them gets stacked. (Flopped 2 pair vs top pair w/jack kicker into turned bigger 2 pair)
I go outside to smoke with the rest of the guys that got felted and hear commotion inside. People looked heated and confused, there was somehow still ~$100+ or so "missing" from the bankroll (I dont remember the exact number). After tallying up the buy ins, it looked like someone had introduced chips into the game either by cheating, miscounting stacks at payout, or the host making stacks for players that were supposed to be showing up later in the night getting absorbed somehow by players. So the money that was "missing", as far as I know, didnt exist. It was added artificially to the table it seems.
The big winner ($500+) was pissed, and said that because the host messed up and nobody knows where the mistake happened, that everyone should pony up for it collectively and pay him what he was missing. Only a few of the players at the table got paid out out of everyone, and the big winner was paid out last.
I genuinely think that the host messed up, and that the possibility of a player cheating at this game is very unlikely, in my opinion. If I had to make a bet, i think the stacks he set aside for his own convenience when others showed up were what caused the issue in the first place.
Ultimately, it was "resolved" after I had left where the big winner just got paid out $400-something and was told that the rest of the missing money didnt exist. None of the others that got paid out before really tried to speak up on the matter apparently.
How the heck do you mess up that bad, and how the heck do you resolve an issue like that?
What do you do in situations like this? The game state was so messed up that I have no idea how that would be fixed with that many chips being introduced to the game, or at least that much miscounting. Some people had been paid out and left already, so I do not know how they would fairly come to a conclusion.