Paulson: Full label replacement tutorial thread

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I have noticed some chips where the inlay extends outside of the recessed area. For example, the gold area on the golden nugget chip below.

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If I were remove the inlay, I assume the gold portion would peel off. However, I'm unsure what the chip would look like. Does anybody have any experience with inlay removal on chips similar to the one above?
 

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I have noticed some chips where the inlay extends outside of the recessed area. For example, the gold area on the golden nugget chip below.

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If I were remove the inlay, I assume the gold portion would peel off. However, I'm unsure what the chip would look like. Does anybody have any experience with inlay removal on chips similar to the one above?
You will see the original (inner) recess line, as well as another (shallower) recess line where the edge of the label is. I think @grantc54 has a few pictures of giant inlays removed from hat and cane mold chips where this is clearly seen - it's probably in earlier pages of this thread.
 

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You will see the original (inner) recess line, as well as another (shallower) recess line where the edge of the label is. I think @grantc54 has a few pictures of giant inlays removed from hat and cane mold chips where this is clearly seen - it's probably in earlier pages of this thread.
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Is there anything you can really do with these chips? Can you go label over label to fill out the recess?
 

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Hi all, this is my very first post on PCF! I own a casino party company in Iowa and have had to do this with some different tournament chips that we converted to Roulette chips. I found that laying them on a table (surface) and heating each side with a hair dryer for 10 - 20 seconds really helped loosen up the inlay to the point where it basically popped out once the razor blade put force on the edge. I was able to do 1,600 sides myself in 3 nights while watching TV....had to take some breaks to shake out my hand muscles, but a very effective method. Hope this helps someone!

I would also do this for someone for the right price ;)

Casino Party Company??
Can you order customs paulsons????!!!!!
 

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Debated inlay replacement/over labels for days.
12 pages, a few YT’s and I’m decided...
The last of my 660 chips will be here this week to start the murder process.
Thank you to all participants of this thread for laying out the blue prints.
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Removing the plastic cover:

Removing the vinyl/pastic inlay:

NOTE: Do this at your own risk!! Different colours react differently to the nail polish remover and many nail polish removers have different strengths. Even some non-acetone nail polish removers can damage chip material and fade chip colours!!
So I was thinking of buying some chips to murder and tried my hand at them. Pretty decent results with the Horseshoe chips. Dug too deep for the first few but got better after. Vinyl seems to come off easy. I do not have any non-acetone NPR yet (just ordered). I managed to dig the vinyl out with nails (will that harm the chip??) without using NPR.

I also tried a single PAD $25 (paper label) and the same thing happened. This time I wasn't able to scrape it all off with my nails. Would I get it all off by using NPH then scraping hard with an xacto knife? I'm afraid that it would end up like the Gamblers Pleasure that seemed impossible/a real PITA to remove, which would be trouble for me.

I'm looking at the Argosy chips that were cancelled by stamp and were not felted (I think) due to an administrative error. Made in the mid 1990s so I would expect a paper label? Hence the hesitancy. Any advice is greatly appreciated. The specialized input from everyone here would go a long way in helping me decide if I should get this chip! Thanks :tup:

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My attempt at murder. Failed 1/10 horseshoe chips, also failed PAD $25
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Paper labels are tougher/take longer to take off with NPR and a knife. It's a real scrape-fest. With vinyl, you have a chance of the whole thing coming off at once because it's deformable and wants to stay in one piece. Good luck.
 

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So I was thinking of buying some chips to murder and tried my hand at them. Pretty decent results with the Horseshoe chips. Dug too deep for the first few but got better after. Vinyl seems to come off easy. I do not have any non-acetone NPR yet (just ordered). I managed to dig the vinyl out with nails (will that harm the chip??) without using NPR.

I also tried a single PAD $25 (paper label) and the same thing happened. This time I wasn't able to scrape it all off with my nails. Would I get it all off by using NPH then scraping hard with an xacto knife? I'm afraid that it would end up like the Gamblers Pleasure that seemed impossible/a real PITA to remove, which would be trouble for me.

I'm looking at the Argosy chips that were cancelled by stamp and were not felted (I think) due to an administrative error. Made in the mid 1990s so I would expect a paper label? Hence the hesitancy. Any advice is greatly appreciated. The specialized input from everyone here would go a long way in helping me decide if I should get this chip! Thanks :tup:

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My attempt at murder. Failed 1/10 horseshoe chips, also failed PAD $25
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PAD $25 are tough, I've done about 300. They definitely need nail polish remover and they are still a PITA.
 

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PAD $25 are tough, I've done about 300. They definitely need nail polish remover and they are still a PITA.
Wow okay. Definitely possible then. And the cancellation stamp wouldn't affect the murdering of the chip in any way?
 

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What about the small incision if I dig my blade too deep on the first cut to remove the plastic laminate? Would it affect the label that goes on/become visible? Or no noticeable difference at all.
 

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What about the small incision if I dig my blade too deep on the first cut to remove the plastic laminate? Would it affect the label that goes on/become visible? Or no noticeable difference at all.
You can take a flat head exacto knife (if that’s what it’s called lol) and go up the length of the incision, scraping off the little bit of clay that was displaced during the cut. That will even it out. The gouge will still be there but will obviously be hidden by new label
 

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You can take a flat head exacto knife (if that’s what it’s called lol) and go up the length of the incision, scraping off the little bit of clay that was displaced during the cut. That will even it out. The gouge will still be there but will obviously be hidden by new label
So the knife I ordered online was this. Size 17 or size 4 blade to flatten the chip? Would it be possible to use them to scrap away the paper label as well or would that damage the chip (as compared to using my nails)?

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Yah - the paper’ish underlabels can definitely be a PITA. The only thing I’ve found that helps is an extra long (10 min) soak with the NPR.
 

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Yah - the paper’ish underlabels can definitely be a PITA. The only thing I’ve found that helps is an extra long (10 min) soak with the NPR.
By extra long soak do you mean entire chip? Or just the label surface?

Also, not sure if it'll make any difference, but would it be easier if the entire paper label was intact? Or should I scrape what I can first before putting NPR?

Thanks for the replies! Really helpful
 

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By extra long soak do you mean entire chip? Or just the label surface?

Also, not sure if it'll make any difference, but would it be easier if the entire paper label was intact? Or should I scrape what I can first before putting NPR?

Thanks for the replies! Really helpful
I do just the label surface - basically filling up the recess area with several drops of NPR and then let it sit for a while. You'll probably want to do a test chip to make sure the chips you're working with can handle that amount of time exposed to NPR without color fading. I really try to avoid NPR sitting too long on the rim but I haven't had any issues with it soaking in the recess for several minutes.

My experience also is that a fully intact paper'ish label can take longer for the NPR to soak into and loosen up. Partially removed labels seem to provide gaps that allow the NPR to penetrate underneath easier. But that's just what I've encountered - YMMV. Good luck! Look forward to hearing your results.
 

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You need a slightly deformable blade to do your scraping. I don't use and Xacto except for the initial cut to take off the laminate. I use a small box cutter blade to do the scraping.
Paper labels have 3 layers of compressed pulp.
 

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You need a slightly deformable blade to do your scraping. I don't use and Xacto except for the initial cut to take off the laminate. I use a small box cutter blade to do the scraping.
Paper labels have 3 layers of compressed pulp.
So the knife I ordered online was this. Size 17 or size 4 blade to flatten the chip? Would it be possible to use them to scrap away the paper label as well or would that damage the chip (as compared to using my nails)?

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Would the flat blades at the bottom left of this corner be good to scrape them away? Or should I look for other blades. I do have a box cutter but that isn't very flat (based on my quick trial on the chips).
 

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No, I think a tapered blade such as top left or row 2 are still the best to do the scraping for paper. Use a good amount of non-acetone nail polish remover because it does two things: 1) helps micro-dissolve some of the epoxy under the label, and 2) more importantly, acts as a lubricant to prevent excessive damage to the chip face from your blade. As you scrape, the paper fibres will naturally collect into a little ball at the point of your blade. This is good because it also adds a little more protection from either gouging your blade into the chip face or accidentally overshooting the chip recess and damaging your rim/mold markings.

The very small box cutters I found are the best. The blade is tapered and thin, yet strong enough to take a little bending as you minimize the angle of the blade to the chip face and get your circular scrape movements going. Depending on how many paper label inlays you have to remove, you might need a few box cutters because the plastic covering of them are not strong. I have broken several plastic casings of these cutters because even though the blade can deform and handle the pressure of the scraping, the plastic casing in your hand cannot.
 

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Some updates/new questions as my NPR just arrived today. Seems quite do-able!
Pic 1 - Original
Pic 2 - Removal of plastic laminate
Pic 3 - NPR applied
Pic 4 - (Almost) complete removal of paper inlay. Probably able to scrape away the rest when my xacto knife arrives.

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Question: My cotton bud is stained green after applying NPR. The area of the paper is also different from the portion that I managed to peel out in step 2 (i.e. centre is darker and periphery is more pale). Is it discoulouring my chip? Or just the paper label? Seems like the colour difference would be covered once I apply a label, but I'd change the brand of NPR if it affects the rim (H&C area).

If not it seems great! Looking forward to the real deal (waiting for chips to ship over).
 
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