paulson chip question (1 Viewer)

[colter ripton]

I thought paulson didn't repeat spot patterns and colors?

How are these two chips different? they even have the same shaped inlay.

 

[colter ripton]

I think the difference in the red is because of lighting.

alot of other pics looked exact, but wanted a face pic.

 

[colter ripton]

looking at more pics, I'm pretty sure its a different red. Thought I had something interesting to discuss, guess not lol.

 

[JMC9389]

The only discernible difference I see is in the location of the edge spots relative to the inlay. PCA is located at 12, 6, 9, and 3 o'clock while the first is located at 11, 5, 7, and 1 o'clock.

Didn't the secondary PCA $5 color and spot pattern get used for some fantasy chips as well?

 

[colter ripton]

The only discernible difference I see is in the location of the edge spots relative to the inlay. PCA is located at 12, 6, 9, and 3 o'clock while the first is located at 11, 5, 7, and 1 o'clock.

Didn't the secondary PCA $5 color and spot pattern get used for some fantasy chips as well?

spots arnt usually in the same place relative to the inlays on compression molded chips, atleast not that I am aware of.

they are all a little different in that regard.

also I'm pretty sure I've never seen a fantasy chip with this spot pattern. they are close to my Irish mikes ( golden eagles) same colors but different spot pattern.

 

[JMC9389]

spots arnt usually in the same place relative to the inlays on compression molded chips, atleast not that I am aware of.

they are all a little different in that regard.

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also I'm pretty sure I've never seen a fantasy chip with this spot pattern. they are close to my Irish mikes ( golden eagles) same colors but different spot pattern.

Me neither, meant the PCA secondary $5's. I'll revisit this in the morning...I'm tired and can't remember where I saw the fantasy PCA secondary chips.

 

[colter ripton]

incase anyone wants to know what good condition pca primary 5s look like. lol

I have around 850 of these chips, most are in similar condition to the pca primaries, but i pulled out about 180 in this condition.


and yeah I see it now, the base color is different for sure. just had to see them side by side.

 

[allforcharity]

Does Paulson actually guarantee that they *never ever* repeat a spot colour and pattern? I mean, there are only so many colours, and so many spot patterns, and so many combinations that would actually work from a contrast point-of-view. And they're meant to be identifiable when zoomed in from a ceiling camera, not exactly the most discerning piece of equipment when it comes to sharpness and accurate colour reproduction, especially if viewed through a CCTV network or a series of monitors with their individual variability in screen settings.

 

[colter ripton]

Does Paulson actually guarantee that they *never ever* repeat a spot colour and pattern? I mean, there are only so many colours, and so many spot patterns, and so many combinations that would actually work from a contrast point-of-view. And they're meant to be identifiable when zoomed in from a ceiling camera, not exactly the most discerning piece of equipment when it comes to sharpness and accurate colour reproduction, especially if viewed through a CCTV network or a series of monitors with their individual variability in screen settings.

I think you would be surprised how many different chips can me made with 88ish colors (not sure the actual exact number) and however many different spot configurations they have.

I could do the math if I had all the numbers, i don't have the slightest idea how many different spot patterns there are, but im sure with the 88+ colors and a bunch of different spots there are millions of unique chip possibilities.

 

[RocAFella1]

Base color. Just one color, base or edgespot being different is good enough for them. I have some pics of “cousin chips” somewhere, I need to find them.

 

[RocAFella1]

 

[allforcharity]

I think you would be surprised how many different chips can me made with 88ish colors (not sure the actual exact number) and however many different spot configurations they have.

I could do the math if I had all the numbers, i don't have the slightest idea how many different spot patterns there are, but im sure with the 88+ colors and a bunch of different spots there are millions of unique chip possibilities.

I know mathematically there would be a very large number, but practically there would be only be a small fraction of a small fraction of these that would be visually different enough that you can tell by sight they are obviously different.

 

[Rieguy]

I know the FLVs are fantasy chips, but the Grand Casino Hinckley/Hinkley error chip $5s and FLV $5s seem to have the exact same colors and inserts, although the inlay shape and design are obviously different. See post 39 from this thread:

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...how-do-dey-look-like.20774/page-2#post-503489

Not sure that qualifies though.

 

[Jambine]

Does Paulson actually guarantee that they *never ever* repeat a spot colour and pattern?

I'm pretty sure, no

 

[AWenger]

How are these two chips different? they even have the same shaped inlay.

Also, I think the white spot in the PCA is technically the "Off White" color. (Not sure about the other chip, but it looks like standard White)

 

[BGinGA]

Does Paulson actually guarantee that they *never ever* repeat a spot colour and pattern?

Dunno about "Guarantee", but they do keep records and won't reproduce a previously-manufactured color/spot combination. Only exception is for non-casino customer patterns, which they have reused in the past for home market chips.

 

[Forty4]

Dunno about "Guarantee", but they do keep records and won't reproduce a previously-manufactured color/spot combination. Only exception is for non-casino customer patterns, which they have reused in the past for home market chips.

If they were to return to the home market would all the covert buys now count as home spot patterns?

 

[BGinGA]

I know the FLVs are fantasy chips, but the Grand Casino Hinckley/Hinkley error chip $5s and FLV $5s seem to have the exact same colors and inserts, although the inlay shape and design are obviously different. See post 39 from this thread:

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...how-do-dey-look-like.20774/page-2#post-503489

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Not sure that qualifies though.

The original Grand Casino chips had (inlay) errors, and were returned and remade using different color/spot combos. Paulson subsequently canceled and resold the error chips, and used the error chip color/spot combos for other home market chips.

 

[BGinGA]

If they were to return to the home market would all the covert buys now count as home spot patterns?

No, those are customer combos that cannot be reused except by the original customer(s).

 

[allforcharity]

No, those are customer combos that cannot be reused except by the original customer(s).

So you're saying they won't be swayed by "but I'm the original (fake) customer" argument?

 

[redwine]

I mean just think about it, even with that one edge spot pattern, if you got 5 potential different reds for the base color, then 88-5=83 non reds for edge spot 1, then 82 colors for the 2nd edgespot, you’re looking at 34000+ red chip combos just for that one pattern.

Idk how many edge spot patterns there are but say 30, and you have a million different red chip combinations. I would think the number of casinos that would ever exist is not even close.

 

[BGinGA]

So you're saying they won't be swayed by "but I'm the original (fake) customer" argument?

Not a fake customer if there was a sale/purchase agreement -- that customer was as real as they get.

 

[Lemonzest]

Their policy is not to use a spot/color pattern once it has been used by a customer. While that is their policy I wonder how it is carried out in practice. The question is how good they are at catching duplicate designs as they pass through the ordering process. I have seen a few Paulson chips that look awfully similar so my guess is that their process for catching duplicates is maybe not that great and it is possible to make near identical chips. Take the boat chip WSOP knock offs for example, they probably should have not made it through.

 

[GianThaMan]

Their policy is not to use a spot/color pattern once it has been used by a customer. While that is their policy I wonder how it is carried out in practice. The question is how good they are at catching duplicate designs as they pass through the ordering process. I have seen a few Paulson chips that look awfully similar so my guess is that their process for catching duplicates is maybe not that great and it is possible to make near identical chips. Take the boat chip WSOP knock offs for example, they probably should have not made it through.

What WSOP knock-offs? Do you mean the ESST?

 

[BGinGA]

Their policy is not to use a spot/color pattern once it has been used by a customer. While that is their policy I wonder how it is carried out in practice. The question is how good they are at catching duplicate designs as they pass through the ordering process. I have seen a few Paulson chips that look awfully similar so my guess is that their process for catching duplicates is maybe not that great and it is possible to make near identical chips.

Having a chip in a set that is similar (not identical) to a chip in another customer's set is not a big deal, as evidenced by the many casino chips that resemble one another. It's a bit different to have an entire set of chips that are all similar to another customer's set of chips, although no-value chips would be less worrisome than mimicking an entire set of cash checks.

 

[mike32]

I'm sure solid white and solid blue $1's from casinos have been repeated, but solid is not a spot pattern.

No pics handy but cancelled Argosy $5's and Good Luck Club (fantasy) $5's are identical.

 

[Mangatang]

These are pretty darn close:

 

[Lemonzest]

Having a chip in a set that is similar (not identical) to a chip in another customer's set is not a big deal.

Among other things I think the main concern is counterfeiting. IF casino A has a $5 chip that could be passed as a $20 chip at casino B that is a big problem for casino B. Same goes for tourney chips, if casino A has a T25 chip that could be passed as a T5,000 chip at casino B that is a big problem for casino B

 

[RocAFella1]

 

[BELGRADE]

Pics from @Don Clay

This 100 chip from Marrakech is exact the same that the ACF Paulson T100.

Edit: exact color and spot but not the same mold