PAHWM - 1/3 at the Aria (6 Viewers)

[suchj0sh]

@detroitdad , @suchj0sh what would be your reason to check/shove the turn?

I guess the stacks are a little shallower than I thought tbh. He’s only got $135 behind after the bet, so maybe it’s not great.

I guess MAYBE you’re hoping to get JJ or KK to fold, probably not enough behind to get either out though.

So my final answer will be “for fun”

 

[ChaosRock]

In some situations you can take the pot down right there, if you don't, you still get to gamble with a handful of outs to win!

So my final answer will be “for fun”

Fair enough.

 

[ChaosRock]

One post highjack:

@detroitdad @suchj0sh : Was playing a tournament and saw Ac4h on the BB. HJ raise, CO call, BTN calls and I call OOP. Flop is Qc3c2h. So gutter plus back door NF. I check, HJ bets, call/call and I call. So 4 players to the turn, which is a 8c. I check, HJ bets, call/call and I raised big with the Ac plus my gutter. HJ calls, CO calls, BTN folds. Turn is an off suit 7. Since I got two callers on my large check/raise, I shut down and it checks around. HJ had AJo and CO had Q5o.

So really I get it, weird shit happens, lol!!! Some people might fold huge hands, some people might call with a worse A than Hero. I really get the check/raise turn in the OP's hand, lol!

 

[suchj0sh]

One post highjack:

@detroitdad @suchj0sh : Was playing a tournament and saw Ac4h on the BB. HJ raise, CO call, BTN calls and I call OOP. Flop is Qc3c2h. So gutter plus back door NF. I check, HJ bets, call/call and I call. So 4 players to the turn, which is a 8c. I check, HJ bets, call/call and I raised big with the Ac plus my gutter. HJ calls, CO calls, BTN folds. Turn is an off suit 7. Since I got two callers on my large check/raise, I shut down and it checks around. HJ had AJo and CO had Q5o.

So really I get it, weird shit happens, lol!!! Some people might fold huge hands, some people might call with a worse A than Hero. I really get the check/raise turn in the OP's hand, lol!

There really just aren’t enough made hands that you can expect to fold in OP’s villain’s hand I guess. There really aren’t many like bad Q’s in villains range if he’s 3-betting appropriately.

Idk, on paper the “semi-bluff when I pick up equity on the turn” feels right, but with stacks and range it’s probably bad. Calling to c/f the river when we miss also feels like shit.

 

[ChaosRock]

There really just aren’t enough made hands that you can expect to fold in OP’s villain’s hand I guess. There really aren’t many like bad Q’s in villains range if he’s 3-betting appropriately.

Yep. that was my point. Maybe AT (although AT most likely checks back the turn)... But also, we're not representing much with the shove, other than KJ. Even, let's say, TT. You check raise middle set when KJ gets in? Also, the second diamond makes it more likely we're shoving the draw. We're certainly not check/raising something like AQo, right. So hard to be credible with the shove...

 

[detroitdad]

So hard to be credible with the shove...

I know that you know this. For the record, I'm not trying to be credible lol. I'm leaning into the gamble.

 

[ChaosRock]

I know that you know this. For the record, I'm not trying to be credible lol. I'm leaning into the gamble.

Totally get it! There's other reasons to shove for sure! Maybe you want to establish an image, maybe you want to get Villain stack before the third diamond gets there (although it's -EV) because you're stuck, maybe it's just for the thrill... Totally get it...

 

[detroitdad]

Totally get it! There's other reasons to shove for sure! Maybe you want to establish an image, maybe you want to get Villain stack before the third club gets there (although it's -EV) because you're stuck, maybe it's just for the thrill... Totally get it...

We have played enough together over the years that you know this isn't a regular play of mine. If you aren't playing like a controlled maniac occasionally, you become to predictable. If I'm going to do that. I want to do it in a situation where I at least have a shot to win the hand.

 

[JMC9389]

Go for thin value at 1/3 pot, fist bump snap call when villain shoves with his 10's or AJ suited.

 

[PokerDogDoc]

All great points and I think I could go several ways here, as played to this point.

1) I only realistically lose to 1 hand, , and if he’s got that, well, “good hand, sir” and I go broke.

2) I’m never check-folding here.

3) If I check, would he:
-Check behind? I lose value.
-Shove? I snap call. Max value.
-Bet small? Maybe. I check raise for value… does he call? Maybe.

I finally decided to put out a relatively small bet to rep non-nut hands to avoid a check-check situation and hope for either a call, or even better, induce a shove.

Pot = $334

HERO bets $100

VILLAIN tanks for 1 minute and shoves for $235.

HERO snap calls and turns over the A-high flush.

VILLAIN looks disgusted and shows for top set.

He later said that if I shoved, he would have folded, but thought I was making a play for the pot and that his set was either good or could get me off a straight by repping a flush. He didn’t put me on AKd.

HERO rakes $804 pot.

Sure, the river was a bit fortunate, but I’m working on improving my ranging and pot odds calculations in order to win more of these types of hands than I lose.

Lucky or well-played?
Both?
What say you?

 

[suchj0sh]

That’s poker baby. Seems like he laid you great odds the whole way, so I’d say WP.

 

[Kam]

Lucky and well played

He let you get there with the backdoor flush (lucky for the runner runner) plus also a one card to a straight - so he only has himself to blame.

You got max value, so WP

 

[ChaosRock]

All great points and I think I could go several ways here, as played to this point.

1) I only realistically lose to 1 hand, , and if he’s got that, well, “good hand, sir” and I go broke.

2) I’m never check-folding here.

3) If I check, would he:
-Check behind? I lose value.
-Shove? I snap call. Max value.
-Bet small? Maybe. I check raise for value… does he call? Maybe.

I finally decided to put out a relatively small bet to rep non-nut hands to avoid a check-check situation and hope for either a call, or even better, induce a shove.

Pot = $334

HERO bets $100

VILLAIN tanks for 1 minute and shoves for $235.

HERO snap calls and turns over the A-high flush.

VILLAIN looks disgusted and shows for top set.

He later said that if I shoved, he would have folded, but thought I was making a play for the pot and that his set was either good or could get me off a straight by repping a flush. He didn’t put me on AKd.

HERO rakes $804 pot.

Sure, the river was a bit fortunate, but I’m working on improving my ranging and pot odds calculations in order to win more of these types of hands than I lose.

Lucky or well-played?
Both?
What say you?

Yes, well, played. Max value.

 

[JMC9389]

If my math is correct, pot is $335 and Hero has $125 behind.


Yes, well, played. Max value.

Thanks. Was too busy to check the effective stacks. Pretty straightforward jam with the SPR so low.

 

[PokerDogDoc]

That’s poker baby. Seems like he laid you great odds the whole way, so I’d say WP.

For sure regarding the odds… happy that I was able to put $ at risk and hang in for the win and a big payout.
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