Pacific Star / Bud Jones Valuation (1 Viewer)

[stevea]

So my question and trouble on this subject is this. A lot of people (or maybe most) would say BJ is a little less valuable than a paulson THC chip. And I should say first that I really like the pacific star BJ set and would buy it if it wasn’t so expensive. But my problem is why is it considered to be (by some at least) so expensive/valuable? I get that It’s BJ so the public can’t buy them, just like paulsons, and there weren’t very many made so maybe that adds a little value but they’re still BJ....
I will agree they’re nice looking chips! My argument is the seller claims they paid around 4-5 per chip on the original buy but I’ve heard that BJ’s usually sell for around 2-2.50 per to casinos. Why the difference in cost? The art work? Shipping?
In my opinion they’re just a custom set, not really much different then a CPC custom. Except they aren’t very personalized so they appeal to the general public. But if you can get 4-5k (or 7k ish original asking price) for a 1100 set of BJ’s then what is keeping someone like say, the Cali Rounders set from going for 4-5k? Or any of the classic CPC sets that people generally consider a classic design. They’re actually more rare. They cost around $3-$5 per. And no more can be made except by the few who have permission. The feel and quality would be considered the same or close. And if you bought one of those classic 4-5k CPC sets you would usually have an opportunity to add on later. So someone help me understand a 7k price tag on a BJ set. Or give me a defense on a price like that.
Ok that’s my rant.... I also want to clarify, I do understand that PCF classifides will determine the value of poker chips and I wish the seller the best of luck getting their money back that they spent to get these chips. They’re an amazing set!

 

[navels]

The seller wasn't in on the original buy. As there haven't been any complete sets openly sold (and there are so few in existence) I assume the strategy was to start high and come down until the market price is "discovered".

 

[David O]

So my question and trouble on this subject is this. A lot of people (or maybe most) would say BJ is a little less valuable than a paulson THC chip. And I should say first that I really like the pacific star BJ set and would buy it if it wasn’t so expensive. But my problem is why is it considered to be (by some at least) so expensive/valuable? I get that It’s BJ so the public can’t buy them, just like paulsons, and there weren’t very many made so maybe that adds a little value but they’re still BJ....
I will agree they’re nice looking chips! My argument is the seller claims they paid around 4-5 per chip on the original buy but I’ve heard that BJ’s usually sell for around 2-2.50 per to casinos. Why the difference in cost? The art work? Shipping?
In my opinion they’re just a custom set, not really much different then a CPC custom. Except they aren’t very personalized so they appeal to the general public. But if you can get 4-5k (or 7k ish original asking price) for a 1100 set of BJ’s then what is keeping someone like say, the Cali Rounders set from going for 4-5k? Or any of the classic CPC sets that people generally consider a classic design. They’re actually more rare. They cost around $3-$5 per. And no more can be made except by the few who have permission. The feel and quality would be considered the same or close. And if you bought one of those classic 4-5k CPC sets you would usually have an opportunity to add on later. So someone help me understand a 7k price tag on a BJ set. Or give me a defense on a price like that.
Ok that’s my rant.... I also want to clarify, I do understand that PCF classifides will determine the value of poker chips and I wish the sell the best of luck getting they’re money back they spent to get these chips. They’re an amazing set!

Apples vs oranges

Anyone can order a CPC set. The BJ chips that are being sold cannot be ordered or reordered from Paulson.

Also I believe the seller purchased them from another person and not form the original GB

 

[Geremie]

Apples vs oranges

Anyone can order a CPC set. The BJ chips that are being sold cannot be ordered or reordered from Paulson.

Also I believe the seller purchased them from another person and not form the original GB

The real question is whether the value of Bud Jones is materially different than B&G

 

[David O]

The real question is whether the value of Bud Jones is materially different than B&G

IMO value depends on way too many factors and not just who manufactures them. one main factor is what any individual is willing to pay for any given chip

 

[The Nuts]

In my opinion those buyers are paying for the mint/uncirculated condition of those chips, and that is reflected in the prices we're seeing. There really aren't many options out there for mint/unplayed/uncirculated Paulsons, except for the ones you mentioned.

If you want a Paulson chip that's never before seen human hands, those are really your only options. And with a lot of the Star chips having seen there way around the felt in the past year or two, only BTP and SB give a buyer a truly "factory new Paulson" experience. And that's going to cost you.

My Jack set I bought a month ago from ChipRoom begs to differ

 

[stevea]

Apples vs oranges

Anyone can order a CPC set. The BJ chips that are being sold cannot be ordered or reordered from Paulson.

Also I believe the seller purchased them from another person and not form the original GB

Yes anyone can order a CPC set but not the exact CPC set that is for sale (Cali rounders or others). Sunfly made the boardwalks that look just like the borgata chips and they can make chips that look just like the pacific stars’. I’m not sure how much of a difference there is between BJ and Sunfly but I wouldn’t guess it would be $2-$3 more per chip. Is there much of a difference between the two?

 

[navels]

I’m not sure how much of a difference there is between BJ and Sunfly but I wouldn’t guess it would be $2-$3 more per chip. Is there much of a difference between the two?

In my opinion, yes.

 

[liftapint]

Yes anyone can order a CPC set but not the exact CPC set that is for sale.

You can make it pretty damn close, can't you? Any rule against using the exact same spot patters and colors (if you wanted), and as similar of an inlay design as you want? I mean, it would be a dick move (or else I'd already have a Broken Bell copy set, LOL). But there really isn't anything from keeping someone from making something VERY VERY similar, is there?

Sunfly made the boardwalks that look just like the borgata chips and they can make chips that look just like the pacific stars’. I’m not sure how much of a difference there is between BJ and Sunfly but I wouldn’t guess it would be $2-$3 more per chip. Is there much of a difference between the two?

OMG...night and day, for some people. I think the bud jones chips are out of this world. But I couldn't dislike sunfly chips any more than I do. I think they are not similar AT ALL, even if they could look similar, they are NOT similar. I WOULD pay at least $2-3 more for similarly LOOKING bud jones chips over sunfly. All day, every day.

 

[Darson]

Availability and desirability are a key differentiators for price.

Why do Jacks $500 primaries sell for so much more than secondaries? Desirability
Why do Jacks fracs sell for so much more than the $5s? Availability

Desirability is personal - someone may be willing to pay far more for a particular chip just because they like them.
Availability changes over time. Today, there are no more TRKs being made hence the prices are just rising and rising. Paulson stopped selling to the home market so those prices are rising to. If they changed then prices would drop. Matsui, Sunfly etc are currently available so if you want some, order. Prices are not going to increase while they're readily available. If Sunfly stopped making hybrids and no one else stepped in, I can see prices go up.

 

[Poker Zombie]

Any rule against using the exact same spot patters and colors (if you wanted), and as similar of an inlay design as you want?

There is no rule prohibiting already used spot patterns. In fact, I would be surprised if some patterns have not been repeated, whether accidently, or because of intentional duplication/homage. Some colors just work well together, and some spot patterns are much cheaper, thus more affordable. I'd hate to think @detroitdad has single-handedly shut down 10-15% of the solids available because he gained dibbs in perpetuity with the Sunsets.

That said, it would be embarrassing to replicate a well known chip/spot pattern and post it here as your original idea. Then again, if someone replicated one of my chips patterns, I'd be honored, provided they admitted to using it because they liked what I had done.

 

[navels]

OMG...night and day, for some people. I think the bud jones chips are out of this world. But I couldn't dislike sunfly chips any more than I do. I think they are not similar AT ALL, even if they could look similar, they are NOT similar. I WOULD pay at least $2-3 more for similarly LOOKING bud jones chips over sunfly. All day, every day.

agreed, not even in the same universe.

 

[monkeydog]

There is no rule prohibiting already used spot patterns. In fact, I would be surprised if some patterns have not been repeated, whether accidently, or because of intentional duplication/homage. Some colors just work well together, and some spot patterns are much cheaper, thus more affordable. I'd hate to think @detroitdad has single-handedly shut down 10-15% of the solids available because he gained dibbs in perpetuity with the Sunsets.

That said, it would be embarrassing to replicate a well known chip/spot pattern and post it here as your original idea. Then again, if someone replicated one of my chips patterns, I'd be honored, provided they admitted to using it because they liked what I had done.

JFC...please don't mention those chips! Every time they are mentioned we get the same pics and story...it's like a bad mix of Beetlejuice and Groundhog Day.

 

[Poker Zombie]

He wont have to...

And the backstory, in 5 words or less:
He loves his wife.