Cash Game Need Input on Cash game set purchase (1 Viewer)

[duecesneverloses]

I have bought a few samples already with more on the way. I think I want my first non dice set to be a ceramic set. I have samples of Nevada Jacks and Nile club on hand. Down the road I want to get a nice set of CPC or Paulson but for now my goals aren't so lofty. My main deciding factor in whatever set I choose is design of the set. I really like the visuals of the Nile Club but I prefer the chip Nevada jacks are printed on. The game I play in is .25/.25 mostly NL with some PLO and various other games sprinkled in. Min buy-in 20 and 50 max buy-in but if table agree you can cover the largest stack. I want to play larger games in the future though 50nl-200nl mainly convincing other players to pony up. The games are generally 9 handed or less. Would these denominations handle these games?
100x .25
125x 1
125x 5
25x 25
25x 100

 

[Anthony]

Need way more $0.25 chips. 9 handed with 100 $0.25= 11 per player of the workhouse chip - I'd typically allow for 20-40 per player. I imagine you probably wouldn't need $100 chips either, I'd suggest more $1 & $5 chips as a replacement.

 

[Adam Crowley]

It's an argument common on this forum but I find 100 .25 chips enough for both .25/.25 and .25/.50. You could go up to 200 but after that your just wasting chips IMO. Of course the .25/.25 and .25/.50 games I play are larger then some but your really should never need more then 15 per player.

You definitely want more 1s and 5s. 1s will be your workhorse chips in the smaller games and 5s become pretty important is you play 200bb+ NLH and even more neccesary in 200bb+ PLO.

As a minimum I would get 2 racks of 1s and 5s and a preference of 3 racks each. I would complete with a rack of 20/25s incase you end up playing in a bigger game one night.

You could stretch most games with the break down you have above but you will have a lot of big chips on the table needing change really often.

Edit: if you had to limit the chip numbers due to funds I would opt with 500 chips in

100 x .25
300 x 1
200 x 5

 

[trever]

[QUOTE=" if you had to limit the chip numbers due to funds I would opt with 500 chips in

100 x .25
300 x 1
200 x 5[/QUOTE]

Chipper math...

 

[Adam Crowley]

lol never realized. I guess you get 200 1s

 

[churlbut18]

^^ this

100/300/200/100 is a great breakdown to support those stakes. Many will argue you need 200 quarters but I don't think that's necessary. The $1 is likely to be the workhorse. This is the breakdown I use for 8 players with starting stacks of 12/37/12 ($100). Lots of $1's on the table.

12 quarters x 8 players = 96 chips which allows me to get away with 1 rack of quarters. But because you could potentially have 9 players, you may want to tweak slightly and go with a breakdown of 125/275/200/100 (if you don't mind uneven racks). This would allow your 9 player games to have starting stacks of 12/27/14 ($100). Use the $5's and $25's for rebuys.

And if you want to cut back from 700 chips to 600 chips, I would go with 125/275/175/25 (600). I think you'll need to buy ceramics in sleeves of 25.

 

[mummel]

It's an argument common on this forum but I find 100 .25 chips enough for both .25/.25 and .25/.50

Yeah there is a big debate on this. For 25/25, I say definitely go 200 quarters. For 25/50, you could probably get away with 100-120. A lot of opinions but I find this works best for me. A 3X bet preflop when playing 25c/25c uses 3 quarters. If you only have 10 chips and you've called then folded, after 3 hands, you're looking to make change. I find this annoying. We play 25/25c more than another other stakes and 20 quarters works perfectly.

 

[mummel]

I really like the visuals of the Nile Club

I find the Nile Clubs extremely slippery. I liked to the design too, but have you tried to stack them and bump your table. Timber!

For that price / chip, you have decent options. Cheaper chips = Milanos, Dunes, Pharaohs, Majestics, then Veneratis, and another step up, checkout the Tiki Kings (I really like these, similar to the Nevada Jacks outside of design).

 

[Jambine]

Welcome to the forum @duecesneverloses

 

[Adam Crowley]

A 3X bet preflop when playing 25c/25c uses 3 quarters. If you only have 10 chips and you've called then...

This is probably true. In our .25/.25 game opens start at 4x using just one single. They however 1.25 and 1.50 are the average opening sizes for the night and we still have mor then enough chips with 15 each. If your game is a little more passive though I can defiantly see needing up to a Barell each.

If you need to keep numbers down. You just can't get more then 125.

 

[duecesneverloses]

I have Tiki Kings and Pharohs on the way will take them into consideration as well. @mummel At what height do the chips slide that badly? I only have a sample set but i would imagine at 20 high this isnt a problem. At 40 high are the stacks that unstable? In our current game we have only 100x .25 chips and it isnt a problem. If you need change make it from the pot or another player It doesnt really slow us down. And yes trying to keep the set 500pc max.

 

[detroitdad]

100 quarters is fine. Give the first 8 guys 12 quarters in their stacks. The rest make change when they initially buy in. 120 quarters is really the max that you need for a one table game.

I want to play larger games in the future though 50nl-200nl

125x 1
125x 5
25x 25

for quarter/quarter this will be enough. If you want to eventually play 50-200 NL then it won't be close. I recommend at a minimum is 200 x 1 and 240 x 5 and 80-100 x 25.

 

[mummel]

I have Tiki Kings and Pharohs on the way will take them into consideration as well. @mummel At what height do the chips slide that badly? I only have a sample set but i would imagine at 20 high this isnt a problem. At 40 high are the stacks that unstable? In our current game we have only 100x .25 chips and it isnt a problem. If you need change make it from the pot or another player It doesnt really slow us down. And yes trying to keep the set 500pc max.

You can make the Nile's work, but my point is, once you sample other chips, you'll realize how slippery they are and you'll want something else, costing you more in the long run. Paulsons have this buttery feel to them where the chips "stick" to each other. It really does feel great when playing with them. But because they are no longer in production, prices are sky high, so the china clays to me are a decent compromise.

Just start collecting samples like crazy. I didnt want to waste money on samples, only to have them sit in a drawer once I got my main set organized, so I went with the safe bet, the Milanos, and I've been really happy. However, I ended up collecting sample sets anyway for my display wall, because, you know, CHIPS!, and I've learned a lot from handling a wide range of different chips from different manufacturers. Luckily for me I would have made the same decision regardless (other than a custom denom Majestic set), but everyone's tastes/preference are different, so figure out what you like best and go with it.

If you try a bunch of sample sets and still love the Niles, then get the Niles! Get whatever set makes you happy.

 

[duecesneverloses]

What are the blanks that nevada jacks are printed on? If the custom ceramic process doesnt cost me an arm and a leg I could possibly swing that.

 

[Meddler2]

What about the scrolls?
Apache carries them. Looks like they are out of some denoms but can easily be found elsewhere.
https://www.apachepokerchips.com/product/scroll-poker-chips/

 

[mummel]

I want to play larger games in the future though 50nl-200nl

Think hard about if you and your friends will actually break out a $100 bill for a poker night. I also "future proofed" myself with 160x$5 + 40x25, but quickly came to realize that my group prefers smaller stakes (me included). We've hardly used the $5s.

 

[duecesneverloses]

Yeah my home games play larger than yours more than likely. All of us make occasional trips to casinos where we play 1/2. Not uncommon after 2 hours average stack size is 400bb+ for most players. We have a few players who play occasionally who will buy in for 400bb to start because they are spewey whales and who are we to deny them? Stylistically I just don't like the scrolls. What kind of prices should I expect to pay for Custom ceramic printed on something similar to the blank used for nevada jacks?

 

[detroitdad]

Yeah my home games play larger than yours more than likely. All of us make occasional trips to casinos where we play 1/2. Not uncommon after 2 hours average stack size is 400bb+ for most players. We have a few players who play occasionally who will buy in for 400bb to start because they are spewey whales and who are we to deny them? Stylistically I just don't like the scrolls. What kind of prices should I expect to pay for Custom ceramic printed on something similar to the blank used for nevada jacks?

I don't know. @OldWestPokerSupplies does custom ceramic chips. Plus he has a ton in stock. Check out his site http://www.oldwestpokersupplies.com/

 

[Jambine]

as a wise man once said, "Stay calm and GET SAMPLES"

 

[duecesneverloses]

I think I'm going to try and design a custom set given I like the blanks I will be soon ordering from old west. I thought the custom ceramics were farther from my budget but I'm willing to pay more for a set I get to design how I want.

 

[Mental Nomad]

What are the blanks that nevada jacks are printed on?

They're currently manufactured by ABC Gifts and Awards - you can ask them. ABC also prints customs.

https://www.customizedpokerchips.com/nevada-jacks-now-under-new-ownership-1073/
http://www.customizedpokerchips.com/

If you want to go mostly-custom, if you replace just the text, you can have custom Nevada Jacks chips:
http://www.customizedpokerchips.com...da-jacks-diamond-club-customized-poker-chips/

 

[BGinGA]

If planning on going with custom ceramics, you should get samples of GOCC, ABC, and Sun-Fly chips (not necessarily from the manufacturers) before making a decision. All use different blanks, and print quality also varies.

 

[Mental Nomad]

Sounds like your 25c game plays big, and you want to be able to play even bigger... if your crowd plays $1/$2 in the casinos, you know that most places don't give you more than 20 singles buying in at that level, and even those tend to get raked away, and the game is really played with $5 chips.

If you really need to limit it to 500 chips, but want to be able to play bigger, I'd say:

75 x .25
150 x $1
200 x $5
25 x $25
25 x $100

If you can afford it, I'd say to splurge and buy 525 chips (buy 100 quarters), but keep 500 chips in the rack, with this breakdown:

100 x .25
150 x $1
200 x $5
20 x $25 (5 spares)
5 x $100 (20 spares)

The extra quarters my help a little bit when playing 25c/25c. If you feel you can get by without them, my 525 chips would be:

72 x .25 (3 spares; can't buy in with paper money anyway)
150 x $1
225 x $5
20 x $25 (5 spares)
8 x $100 (17 spares)

Either way, if you move up to playing 50c/$1, you can pull out some of the quarters to put the spare $25 chips back in, along with a couple of the hundos.
If you put all the $25s and hundos in, you can probably get away with playing $1/$2 on a full table. (Your bank has $4,400; enough for $500 per player at a nine-handed table, given that at least one person must be losing. Usually, several people will be losing, and for each loser, you can give someone else a $1000 stack.)

If price is not the object, but you want to stick with a case that carries 500 chips, I'd get even more $5 chips, and maybe more $1 chips, and sub out which chips to bring based on the crowd/limits wherever I'm going.