Micro cash set advice (1 Viewer)

[Thisfiendis138]

Don't worry about me man - it's all good. I am just glad to see something other than overpriced Paulson chips getting love here. I get it - they are old school, they are collectors items, but man the only reason these chips are worth what they sell for is people here will pay that to get them! Poker chips are not investment tools or financial assests, they are poker chips! Buy what you like, be happy, and enjoy the fun of the games played with friends man - that is what life is all about.

I totally agree. Don’t get me wrong Paulsons are great and there’s so many sets out there that are just the tops and I love to have them but at the prices they’d fetch... I’d legit have to fall ass first into a shit ton of money!

 

[Thisfiendis138]

I hope you mean plaques. Otherwise we can forget about corona virus as the topic de jour...

I think while I was saniwipping my phone, it auto corrected to plague. That and I don’t think I could see over my face mask or else I would’ve caught it

 

[tabletalker7]

I totally agree. Don’t get me wrong Paulsons are great and there’s so many sets out there that are just the tops and I love to have them but at the prices they’d fetch... I’d legit have to fall ass first into a shit ton of money!

If I fell ass first into a shit ton of money, there are better things to spend that money on then poker chips - no poker chip is worth what people here think Paulsons are worth, and sooner or later all those "only buy Paulson chips you can use them and sell them later for what you spent on them" people are going to be sitting on what they think is thousands of dollars on chips and wish they had the money instead of the chips.

 

[Thisfiendis138]

If I fell ass first into a shit ton of money, there are better things to spend that money on then poker chips - no poker chip is worth what people here think Paulsons are worth, and sooner or later all those "only buy Paulson chips you can use them and sell them later for what you spent on them" people are going to be sitting on what they think is thousands of dollars on chips and wish they had the money instead of the chips.

When I say ass load I mean set hundos on fire like match sticks load especially because I’d spit on a flaming dime to extinguish the flames.
Everything is gonna be grossly overpriced in a sellers market, which is where Paulsons are at seeing that they’re only sold from Paulson themselves to casinos. I
t’s kinda like baseball cards to me, sure it’s nothing more than a piece of cardboard with a picture on it, but it’s a nostalgic connection.

 

[tabletalker7]

When I say ass load I mean set hundos on fire like match sticks load especially because I’d spit on a flaming dime to extinguish the flames.
Everything is gonna be grossly overpriced in a sellers market, which is where Paulsons are at seeing that they’re only sold from Paulson themselves to casinos. I
t’s kinda like baseball cards to me, sure it’s nothing more than a piece of cardboard with a picture on it, but it’s a nostalgic connection.

Paulsons are beloved because people remember their trips to Vegas or Atlantic City and remember how much better the casino chips were - but lets face it people don't have to go to either place to gamble anymore. Casinos have actually over saturated the market now, and soon enough you will have a population that know poker and know casino gambling and never went to Vegas or Atlantic City. I have been to all 10 casinos that are less than a 6 hour drive from my house and none of them use Paulsons. There are ceramics, and tons of Matsuis or whatever soft plastic chip is sold to casinos nowadays (maybe Bud Jones, but they look too much like chips I see on Matsui's website). Paulsons are getting left behind. That means the market for them will bottom as people want the same kind of chips they found in casinos they went to, and those chips are not Paulson.

 

[Thisfiendis138]

Those are good points. I’m pretty sure only one of the four casinos on Delmarva uses Paulson (DoverDowns I think) so I’ve never been “used to” Paulson. I actually always liked ceramics, starting with watching The EPT (I saw on eBay a seller in Hong Kong selling EPT ceramics) and I even inquired about them here a few years ago and I’ve never really given custom/semi custom ceramics a real honest thought thinking they were out of price range but you’ve given me hope lol.
How do your chips shuffle?

 

[tabletalker7]

How do your chips shuffle?

Perfect. They shuffle somewhat better than my Claysmith sluggos, just a touch better than ceramics I have found in casinos and poker rooms (probably due to wear seeing as how mine are brand new and theirs have seen a lot mileage on the odometers), and TONS better than the soft plastic what I am guessing is Matsuis found in all the other casinos and poker rooms by me. Honestly the closest thing to a complaint I had when they arrived was a few chips (I mean like 4 or 5 out of the 1200 chips in total) were a touch sticky. Knowing how ceramics are printed I wrote it off as excess dye trans pro spray from the dye sublimation process. So I ran some lukewarm water over all the chips and wiped them dry with some microfiber towels I bought for washing my car, and everything is great! I know people here worry about them getting slick, but honestly that happens after YEARS worth of casino levels of abuse. There is no way a house set will wear that bad in a normal human lifespan. If you are worried about it, order a sample set of whatever you are going to get semi customed. That way your sample set will get the same blanks and go through the same printing process as what your custom job will get, and you can see for yourself (that is what I did anyway)

 

[Thisfiendis138]

Perfect. They shuffle somewhat better than my Claysmith sluggos, just a touch better than ceramics I have found in casinos and poker rooms (probably due to wear seeing as how mine are brand new and theirs have seen a lot mileage on the odometers), and TONS better than the soft plastic what I am guessing is Matsuis found in all the other casinos and poker rooms by me. Honestly the closest thing to a complaint I had when they arrived was a few chips (I mean like 4 or 5 out of the 1200 chips in total) were a touch sticky. Knowing how ceramics are printed I wrote it off as excess dye trans pro spray from the dye sublimation process. So I ran some lukewarm water over all the chips and wiped them dry with some microfiber towels I bought for washing my car, and everything is great! I know people here worry about them getting slick, but honestly that happens after YEARS worth of casino levels of abuse. There is no way a house set will wear that bad in a normal human lifespan. If you are worried about it, order a sample set of whatever you are going to get semi customed. That way your sample set will get the same blanks and go through the same printing process as what your custom job will get, and you can see for yourself (that is what I did anyway)

Yeeeeaup. I’m def gonna get a sample set of my chips (IF, but leaning very far towards YAY) for you man!
You’ve provided a lot of insight and information. Thank you very much friend

 

[tabletalker7]

Glad I could help - hell if you were anywhere near me I would tell you to come by the house and check out everything in person. As much as i was initially concerned about the up front cost of this, now that I have them, I can tell you this is a no-brainer. Get samples, see how they feel and how they look, and then place an order.

 

[Thisfiendis138]

Good stuff man! I’ll post a new thread if/when the process starts

 

[allforcharity]

Paulsons are beloved because people remember their trips to Vegas or Atlantic City and remember how much better the casino chips were - but lets face it people don't have to go to either place to gamble anymore. Casinos have actually over saturated the market now, and soon enough you will have a population that know poker and know casino gambling and never went to Vegas or Atlantic City. I have been to all 10 casinos that are less than a 6 hour drive from my house and none of them use Paulsons. There are ceramics, and tons of Matsuis or whatever soft plastic chip is sold to casinos nowadays (maybe Bud Jones, but they look too much like chips I see on Matsui's website). Paulsons are getting left behind. That means the market for them will bottom as people want the same kind of chips they found in casinos they went to, and those chips are not Paulson.

Before you think the market for Paulsons clay is dead, I did a collection project (with the help of countless members of this forum) to gather barrels of live $1 chips from 100 Nevada casinos, 50 from Las Vegas and 50 from outside Las Vegas. The vast majority (95%+) are using Paulson clay chips on their tables, and only a small handful are using Bud Jones plastic or some sort of custom ceramic.

 

[tabletalker7]

Before you think the market for Paulsons clay is dead, I did a collection project (with the help of countless members of this forum) to gather barrels of live $1 chips from 100 Nevada casinos, 50 from Las Vegas and 50 from outside Las Vegas. The vast majority (95%+) are using Paulson clay chips on their tables, and only a small handful are using Bud Jones plastic or some sort of custom ceramic.

You just proved my point. 100 NEVADA CASINOS. In my area there are TEN OF THOUSANDS of poker players, some of them actually very very good, and NONE of them ever have traveled to the state of Nevada. People don't need to go there to gamble anymore. Nobody lives all that far away from a casino anymore, and those casinos don't use Paulson chips, probably due to sheer cost and the fact that 99% of the population doesn't think about what chip they are using. 30 years ago everyone wanted Paulson chips because that is what casinos had. I have been gambling in my area for the last 20 years and have never seen a Paulson chip in that time. The only time I have ever handled a Paulson chip was when I was in Vegas, and I don't have to go there to gamble so I haven't been there in 20 years.

 

[allforcharity]

If I fell ass first into a shit ton of money, there are better things to spend that money on then poker chips - no poker chip is worth what people here think Paulsons are worth, and sooner or later all those "only buy Paulson chips you can use them and sell them later for what you spent on them" people are going to be sitting on what they think is thousands of dollars on chips and wish they had the money instead of the chips.

You may spend your money on whatever you wish. Let other people spend their money on whatever they wish. No need to be rude by claiming that everyone here will one day regret their purchases because it's better to just have cash on hand, or that they can never retain their value. If you want to sit on your piles of cash and snigger at those who want to increase their enjoyment of their games by purchasing small round disks of composite chemical clay and plastic ingredients with strange patterns and symbols on them, then you're just a troll, or a reincarnated @Hammer2171 , or both.

 

[dimperdoo]

in the industry, paulson is considered the standard. a classic top hat & cane is a beautiful thing too. when it comes to clay though, a casino worn chip is a casino worn chip & it happens pretty fast in that environment too. people who love paulsons love them for that paulson feel & the clack ~attributes that last much longer when privately owned. this is the problem with that theory.

i love the old TRK, they are similar to classic paulson for durability. they crayon readily & they wear faster than ASM/CPC. of course, today i would say ASM/CPC is the way to go ~especially now that paulson's new formula has somewhat leveled the field. it's the lead thing. the old lead formula chips just have this cool quality. new paulsons don't have the same clack nor the same feel. but, they are a little more durable

 

[tabletalker7]

You may spend your money on whatever you wish. Let other people spend their money on whatever they wish. No need to be rude by claiming that everyone here will one day regret their purchases because it's better to just have cash on hand, or that they can never retain their value. If you want to sit on your piles of cash and snigger at those who want to increase their enjoyment of their games by purchasing small round disks of composite chemical clay and plastic ingredients with strange patterns and symbols on them, then you're just a troll, or a reincarnated @Hammer2171 , or both.

I am not slamming everybody - just those people who "only buy Paulson chips they never lose their value" while selling those exact same chips they claim "never lose their value". A fact of life is the basic rules of supply and demand, and right now supply is rising as more and more casinos go under (just look at the boardwalk in Atlantic City if you doubt me) while demand is lowering as more and more people gamble on the regular with chips that are not Paulson because their casinos don't use them. That is not slamming, that is FACT! If that offends someone who has sold tons of stuff on this site to people while telling them to "buy this stuff it never loses it's value", too bad. I have always been saying this here, and the only person who open admits I offended them was the same person who was asking legitimate businesses to forge customs documents so he wouldn't be charged taxes (like that is worth the risk to any legitimate business who values not being harassed by government officials).
Don't get me wrong - I am not saying that no one should buy Paulson chips, I am saying buy Paulson chips for the right reasons. The right reason is wanting a certain feel, or relics from a favorite casino. The right reason is not "only buy Paulson chips they never lose their value. You can use them and then sell them for what you paid for them". That is not only stupid, but also serves to artificially inflate the price, so when it starts to bottom it bottoms HARD! Those are the people who will be sitting on what they think is thousands of dollars of collectables but for some reason can't get money for them. Buy poker chips you want to keep. Like I said earlier in this post

Poker chips are not investment tools or financial assests, they are poker chips! Buy what you like, be happy, and enjoy the fun of the games played with friends man - that is what life is all about.

If that is offensive, well, I would say that I am sorry but in all truth I am not! It is the truth.

 

[BGinGA]

Paulsons are beloved because people remember their trips to Vegas or Atlantic City and remember how much better the casino chips were - but lets face it people don't have to go to either place to gamble anymore. Casinos have actually over saturated the market now, and soon enough you will have a population that know poker and know casino gambling and never went to Vegas or Atlantic City. I have been to all 10 casinos that are less than a 6 hour drive from my house and none of them use Paulsons. There are ceramics, and tons of Matsuis or whatever soft plastic chip is sold to casinos nowadays (maybe Bud Jones, but they look too much like chips I see on Matsui's website). Paulsons are getting left behind. That means the market for them will bottom as people want the same kind of chips they found in casinos they went to, and those chips are not Paulson.

You are either out of your mind, or grossly misinformed.

 

[tabletalker7]

You are either out of your mind, or grossly misinformed.

Neither. Just being honest. Had a house full of people playing cards yesterday afternoon. Some of them have been playing longer than me. None of them have been to Vegas. All of them think my ceramics are beyond high end because they are so much better than what every casino any of them have ever gone to uses. This is the truth - the era of a native American casino in every other zip code has caused this - and it is just going to get worse as time goes on.

 

[dimperdoo]

i don't have a dog in this hunt. nonetheless, as i've said, paulson is considered the industry standard. it's not my preference (1st sentence) but, many tribal casinos start off re-inventing the wheel. the gaming industry is unique & management at all levels is not something experience in other industries prepares anyone for. At some point, these casinos will either fail or reach out to experienced advisors whereupon they find that this ground has all been covered & there is a way. this is where the industry standard thing comes in to play. really, all the alternate chip choices are fine (possibly better?) But, without fail, those advisors will recommend paulson (it's the industry standard)

 

[tabletalker7]

The tribal casinos did learn. They started with ceramics, then went to cheaper soft plastic.

 

[dimperdoo]

The tribal casinos did learn. They started with ceramics, then went to cheaper soft plastic.

i like to believe that. something of a problem (and another justification for snappers) is when the face value of a chip is exceeded by the cost of the chip. when collectors leave the casino with 50 cent chips, it typically costs the casino. snappers resolve this but, today the dollar is exceeded by it's cost. unless, of course the casino chooses ceramics or imported "clay."

at least now we're back on topic with micro cash set advice

 

[Thisfiendis138]

Thank you @tabletalker7 for your words of encouragement, I’ve pulled the trigger on a semi custom ceramic micro cash set from @BR Pro Poker and I look forward to talking with you through the process (sharing ideas, opinions and advice) through this thread or PM

 

[tabletalker7]

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