Tourney ? Large amount of chips in play at the end of a tournament (1 Viewer)

[AK Chip]

How bad would it be (play) If I had 320 T-500's and 50 T-1,000 in play once the T-100's were removed? I really want to use a set with the following break down for a 21 person deep stack tournament.

T-10,000 starting stacks 7 hour tournament.

220 T-5
220 T-25
220 T-100
340 T-500
50 T-1,000

I like the idea of having large stacks of purple chips in play, but not if it will have a bad effect on the tournament.

 

[detroitdad]

A key question is this.

Can you players manage deep stacks on the table at the end of a tourney? If you have guys that don't know how to cut out bets then it will probably slow the play down.

 

[Nex]

I'd assume since people bet relatively big, bets and pots would become somewhat hard to count.
At this point I think noone would bet in steps of 500 anymore anyway.

 

[bsdunbar1]

A key question is this.

Can you players manage deep stacks on the table at the end of a tourney? If you have guys that don't know how to cut out bets then it will probably slow the play down.

You took the words out of my mouth.
For me it would depend on the players. I love big stacks of chips but if the players don't know how to use them then it does slow down the game.

 

[derekdd23]

If you have a dealer it should be fine as long as people standard stack in 20s. If it is self deal heads up just sucks with more chips and shuffling.

 

[bsdunbar1]

7 hour tournament.

:wideeyed:
This sounds like fun, but I don't know if my players have the patience for it. We are usually about a 4-5hr tourney kinda group.

 

[AK Chip]

we have dedicated dealers, and towards the end the dealer is someone that has busted out.

 

[BGinGA]

390 chips in play at the late levels of a tourney is usually a nightmare, and about twice as many as optimum. Even worse if most of 'em are T500s, when most bets will be upwards of 5000.

 

[AK Chip]

:wideeyed:
This sounds like fun, but I don't know if my players have the patients for it. We are usually about a 4-5hr tourney kinda group.

This would be a once a year type tournament, I would not be using this structure for my normal weekend tourneys.

 

[AK Chip]

390 chips in play at the late levels of a tourney is usually a nightmare, and about twice as many as optimum. Even worse if most of 'em are T500s, when most bets will be upwards of 5000.

I did just read your post regarding this, my normal games fall with in your optimum numbers, I might have let this thought go and use a different set of chips for my deep stack tournaments.
This picture is what got me started thinking about using the large amount of purple chips.

 

[AK Chip]

:wideeyed:
This sounds like fun, but I don't know if my players have the patience for it. We are usually about a 4-5hr tourney kinda group.

We usually do two 3-4 hour tournaments

 

[pedrofisk]

If you can teach them to keep the 500s in 20 stacks that would make 10k bets easy.

 

[DoubleEagle]

How bad would it be (play) If I had 320 T-500's and 50 T-1,000 in play once the T-100's were removed? I really want to use a set with the following break down for a 21 person deep stack tournament.

T-10,000 starting stacks 7 hour tournament.

220 T-5
220 T-25
220 T-100
340 T-500
50 T-1,000

I like the idea of having large stacks of purple chips in play, but not if it will have a bad effect on the tournament.

If there are no more levels that require the T500's, I would flush them. They are just a nuisance at that point.

 

[fieldsy]

I'm not a big fan of having lots of T500's in play late. In fact, I specifically changed the starting stack for my group's tournaments (T10k stack, 10-15 players with rebuys, usually ~5 hour tourney) from 8/8/6/6 to 8/8/4/7 because we were ending up with these hefty stacks of lavender that people didn't really like using when shorthanded. When you're deep in that structure, most people want to be betting in increments of 1000s, and the 500s are inconvenient.

I don't know your set, but if it's possible to get a barrel or two of 5k chips it will help a great deal. You can play with those 500s until it's clear that the stacks have become an inconvenience, then just swap in a couple of 5ks for every superfluous barrel of 500s.

 

[AK Chip]

I don't know your set, but if it's possible to get a barrel or two of 5k chips it will help a great deal. You can play with those 500s until it's clear that the stacks have become an inconvenience, then just swap in a couple of 5ks for every superfluous barrel of 500s.

This is the problem with this set, there is slim to no chance of acquiring anymore T-1,000's T-5,000's do not exist..

 

[BGinGA]

with this set, there is slim to no chance of acquiring anymore T-1,000's T-5,000's do not exist..

That's what plaques are for.

 

[fieldsy]

I don't know your set, but if it's possible to get a barrel or two of 5k chips it will help a great deal. You can play with those 500s until it's clear that the stacks have become an inconvenience, then just swap in a couple of 5ks for every superfluous barrel of 500s.

This is the problem with this set, there is slim to no chance of acquiring anymore T-1,000's T-5,000's do not exist..

Yeah, that's a problem, and I suspected that might be part of the concern prompting the question. Any chance you could get some matching custom $5k plaques made? If you go with plaques, you don't have to worry so much about perfectly matching all the details like molds and inlays. And since you don't need that many (40 plaques would color up all your 500s and more), the price might not be unreasonable.

 

[pedrofisk]

This picture is what got me started thinking about using the large amount of purple chips.

Of course Stu was also some kind of genius.

 

[AK Chip]

hmm plaques sound fun!!

 

[AK Chip]

Stu does have the look like he's thinking (cant we get some higher denom chips or plaques in this game)

 

[Highli99]

Stu does have the look like he's thinking (cant we get some higher denom chips or plaques in this game)

I thought it was more of a “I really need more drugs ASAP” kinda look. Such a tragedy.

 

[AWenger]

If you can teach them to keep the 500s in 20 stacks that would make 10k bets easy.

^ This.

I don't mind having a lot of chips at the end of a tournament, as long as the players keep them in stacks of 20, it's easier to count. The full stacks of the lower denom chips are usually off to the side at that point, since they're smaller than the blinds. And remind players that a stack of 20 500s is a 10k stack.

If full barrels are bet in a home game tournament, I'd prefer to just leave the barrels standing upright in the middle of the pot, instead of spreading out the chips on the felt like casino dealers are trained to do and like what's shown in the Stu Ungar pic above. That should save time for players to stack chips.

 

[Highli99]

^ This.

I don't mind having a lot of chips at the end of a tournament, as long as the players keep them in stacks of 20, it's easier to count. The full stacks of the lower denom chips are usually off to the side at that point, since they're smaller than the blinds. And remind players that a stack of 20 500s is a 10k stack.

If full barrels are bet in a home game tournament, I'd prefer to just leave the barrels standing upright in the middle of the pot, instead of spreading out the chips on the felt like casino dealers are trained to do and like what's shown in the Stu Ungar pic above. That should save time for players to stack chips.

Why are dealers trained to spread the chips?

 

[AK Chip]

Why are dealers trained to spread the chips?

I believe it makes it easier for players to add up the amount in the pot.

 

[AK Chip]

I should have stated this in the beginning. The tournament I'm planning for would be the main event at the AK meet up, so the players will be plenty experienced around chips. All the sets to be used are custom chips, I thought it would be cool to get my one Paulson set into play.

 

[AWenger]

Why are dealers trained to spread the chips?

I'm not exactly sure, but I seem to recall hearing at least one reason:
- at casinos -- it makes it easier to identify the number of chips on the security cameras above the table (if there was ever a reason to) and/or watch out for prevent dealers cheating by taking chips.

And I may just be coming up with this one on my own, but stacked barrels of chips can block players' views of the community cards.

 

[AK Chip]

I was thinking chips spread out vs a pile of chips, not stacked up.

Is there a rule about dealers not counting chips in the pot?

 

[AK Chip]

Of all the chips to be my favorite mine is the Purple T-500 chip

 

[detroitdad]

I want to point out that it is ridiculous that we don't have a ton of chip pictures in this thread

T-10,000 starting stacks 7 hour tournament.

At a minimum we should have starting stack picks in this thread

 

[AK Chip]

I'm going to try it with my regulars, if it ends up a fiasco the dream will be dead. Obviously I'm trying to force this set into play, it would almost have every chip in the set in play through out the tournament.