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Asking from the perspective of a new chip collector, is there any benefit to having UV markings on a chip that isn’t live at a casino?

The security aspect is always important, but I was just curious to hear if there are any other use cases?
There are several practical applications.

Some time back, the former owner of ASM either produced or kept (or both) some Key West chips without my permission as the owner of the design. He tried to sell a lot of $1 Key Wests on Craigslist, but members here linked him to the phone number in the ad, and the chips, as far as I know, never sold. This is the reason we don't offer white Key West $1 chips for a buck, because I don't know how many "Red" has.

UV marking legit Key West chips from Classic would be a way to verify authenticity.

Marking the chips would also differentiate Key West chips I've sold to members here from those sold in the original run of Key Wests by Apache Poker Chips, another legitimate dealer and vendor here.

Finally, the idea was to stamp the chips with the UV palm tree in a standard location, and offer to create a unique stamp for you personally, and a different one for each person who owns Key West. That invisible stamp could be a symbol, a letter and number, or something you might want, in a location on the inlay you pick. Adding a personal symbol would be optional, and we would keep a list of symbols and owners here.

If your chips were ever stolen and recovered, the palm tree and your unique symbol in UV ink on the chip would be invisible and unknown to the thief, but would easily identify the chips as your property.
 
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Wow, all great points. Given that my KW set is for cash games, I can see the benefit of having a personalized symbol in case anyone wants to take souvenirs.

Now that makes your update unfortunate, because the idea of being able to have a personal stamp does seem practical and a neat customizable feature.

Thanks for closing the loop on that!
 

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Wow, all great points. Given that my KW set is for cash games, I can see the benefit of having a personalized symbol in case anyone wants to take souvenirs.

Now that makes your update unfortunate, because the idea of being able to have a personal stamp does seem practical and a neat customizable feature.

Thanks for closing the loop on that!
I'm still hopeful that some day soon, there will be a UV ink developed that is both safe and long-lasting. "Permanent" safe UV might never happen, and right now the safe UV inks might last one week. We need to get to a point where the stamp stays on the chip for a year, or even six months. I'd have no problem re-stamping my chips every year.
 

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Last night I removed the "small 4-chip sample" ordering option from the Key West site.

As a "buy it now" option, this did not work well. People placed orders, but lots of people forget to email if they want specific chips. I'd have to email them and wait for their response, if they responded at all. Sometimes I just sent the four sample denominations pictured and would get an email several days later asking me to send different denominations.

You can still order samples of the denominations you are considering for your chip set by using the order form on the site or sending a PM to me here.
 

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I'm still hopeful that some day soon, there will be a UV ink developed that is both safe and long-lasting. "Permanent" safe UV might never happen, and right now the safe UV inks might last one week. We need to get to a point where the stamp stays on the chip for a year, or even six months. I'd have no problem re-stamping my chips every year.
Hi Dennis

Great to read you keep on developing the awsome Key West brand
I love mine a lot (and they do have some nice sisters and brothers) nonetheless my KW set get's the most play by a mile (on players demand)

Would it not be possible to implement the UV-stamp/inkt on the label before lamination ?
My set has a mix of textured & smooth lamination...with a smooth label this should shine through and be resistant against shuffling ?
Not sure if CPC is offering this option for non-retail/professional customers.

Update: Note to myself....RTFP
Would be awsome to stamp my personal UV-logo on my chips
 
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Would it not be possible to implement the UV-stamp/inkt on the label before lamination ?
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Not sure if CPC is offering this option for non-retail/professional customers.
Yes, have you spoken to CPC if they can do UV on the inlay,similar to a Paulson UV?
I have asked. So far this is not something CPC is offering.
 

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Hi Dennis,

Sorry if this question sounds a bit odd, but would you say that Key West Casino have plans to stick around for a good number of years ? I like to start acquiring racks periodically to complete a set but I don’t anticipate I’ll get around to completing it in a year (or maybe two.... LOL).

I don’t play poker although I am a sucker for genuine casino chips or casino-quality chips and paraphernalia. Blackjack is my pastime and I love everything about the history and ethos surrounding that table game. I play ‘informally as a hobby’ meaning I don’t frequent casinos nor wager for real. I just enjoy the mental exercise from ‘counting’. Irrespective of whether it is the annual family holiday home BJ fun night or just me playing a simulated game using Casino Verite BJ, I like to shuffle chips and simulate payouts using actual chips. Right now, I’m using the set of Empress Casino (Joliet. IL) I got from Jim during one of his Chiproom Sales back in those days when everyone was still at Chi1ptalk.

Which leads me to my next question. As a BJ dealer, can you advise, for a given min-max betting limit, on a table with 6 - 7 betting circles, how many cheques and in what denoms will a casino typically place on the chip tray ? This just harks back to me trying to simulate the feeling and vibe of using actual chips.

Lastly, do you ship to Malaysia ?

Thanks Dennis
 

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Hi Dennis,

Sorry if this question sounds a bit odd, but would you say that Key West Casino have plans to stick around for a good number of years ? (...)

As a BJ dealer, can you advise, for a given min-max betting limit, on a table with 6 - 7 betting circles, how many cheques and in what denoms will a casino typically place on the chip tray ? (...)

Lastly, do you ship to Malaysia ?
First, I'm 56, so I plan to keep this going for another 50 years or so. Then I might slow down.

The question of how many chips -- Casinos are really different than your home game for several reasons.

First, they can put in a "fill" order any time the floor manager sees that a table is running low on a given chip.

Second, they have a chip bank that is far deeper than anything you could have in your home. At least a few hundred thousand chips. Any time they need chips of any denomination, they have them somewhere.

Third, you're probably already aware that even though those casino blackjack tables have seven betting circles, the casino usually puts five or six chairs at that table, and never really seven.

Fourth, where I worked, there was an electronic device mounted inside the rack at each blackjack table that tracked side bets and added to the progressive jackpot displays all over the casino when certain side bets were made. It looked like a blind timer or a programmable thermostat, and took up half of maybe four barrels inside the rack, so the racks actually had less room than my table at home.

Finally, the casino knows that most players are going to lose. They want to keep space in the racks open for those incoming chips.

I worked mostly $5 and $10 tables, and my casino had no chips smaller than $1, so we rounded up on an odd-numbered win. If memory serves, we opened tables with around 80 x $1; 60 x $2.50; 120 x $5; maybe 80 x 25; 40 x $100; around 10 x $500. I think we only had $500s in the racks at $10 tables, or evenings when the $5 tables would go up to $10 minimum. They had $1,000 chips at a table in the high roller room. I never had any at tables where I worked.

I do blackjack "fun night" parties every Tuesday. (There's one tomorrow.) We seat five or six people at each of two tables, and call them "$5 tables." Here's what I put in each rack:

Chip Rack 4.png


That rack is for a $5 table. It has:
60 x $0.25
40 x $1
40 x $2.50
180 x $5 (*)
40 x $25
20 x $100
10 x $500

(*) Prior to the first card coming out of the shoe, I put 120 x $5 in racks on a side table. These are the chips that get issued to the players to start the game -- one stack of 20 x $5 per player. After six players "buy" $100 in $5 chips, you still have 60 x $5 in the rack.

Ways you could add to the "real casino" feel:

  • Get a good blackjack table with a nice chip tray and a drop box. If you buy used, they're not too bad.​
  • Really nice cards and a good shoe. Bad cards and a bad shoe will really slow things down.​
  • Put four or five barrels of those $5 chips into the tray in their own rows, and have your players use fake (or real) $100 bills to buy chips, then cut the chips into four stacks of five, stack them up, push them out to the player, and put the money into the drop box;​
  • Wear a casino-style dealer uniform;​
  • Learn to do a "house shuffle." Get two cut cards and offer the shuffled working deck to a player to cut;​
  • Set up a spot light or ceiling light over the table to really light it up;​
  • Background music​

Finally, yes, we can ship to Malaysia.
 

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Hello again Dennis

That was a comprehensive reply. Thank you.

As I mentioned, I don't frequent casinos. We only have one in this entire country and it has some shitty BJ rules :) Yes, from what I have gleaned, BJ tables have less chairs than they have betting spots. What I was getting at there refers to situations when an individual player play multiple betting spots, but regardless, your revelation about a casino's ability to continually tap a 'fill order' for chips clarified everything for me.

Glad to hear Key West will be sticking around for at least another five decades. Here's toasting you and your 'Century' :)

I look forward to acquiring these beautiful chips from you. I will be away for the next two months, so I'll put in my first order with Key West as soon as I get home in November.

Thanks again for taking the time to write. You have a great day.

Regards
 

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I had the painful experience of talking with a Cartamundi rep this morning about the possibility of the big cardmaker doing cut cards with a Key West logo. I began calling them weeks ago. They finally called back.

The woman with whom I spoke was dismissive, and kept interrupting. She seemed not to know what a "cut card" actually was, and kept saying, "We make playing cards." I explained to her that there are "cut cards" available from retailers all over the country," to which she replied (twice), "What are you talking about?" She seemed to think I wanted decks of plastic cards.

Finally, we got to the question about Minimum Order Quantity.

Even though I was asking about cut cards, she wanted to quote me in "decks." Their MOQ is 5,000 decks per color, 52 cards each. That's 260,000 cards.

Since I'm not even sure we were talking about the same thing, or that they know what I was asking for, we will not be working with Cartamundi.

By the end of the conversation, she was suggesting that I buy some commercial cut cards she found -- using Google during the call -- and put "stickers" on them.
 
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I might have had better luck calling Belgium.

Creating something new can, at times, feel like trying to push an elephant uphill.
Sorry you had this experience with a Belgian company...I have no contacts there...wish I could help.
In case the language barrier was a problem, you can always hit me up
 
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