Lol, I would never buy them at current prices
KEM significant price increase coming July (1 Viewer)
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How they can get even more expensive?
New packaging? Is it bowed like the cards?
New packaging? Is it bowed like the cards?
CUORE3
Two Pair
If I understood correctly, in addition to the price increase, jumbo cards will no longer be produced?
I had been curious about the Kem hype for awhile as I hadn't tried any before. Glad I recently picked up a lot of 5 used (like new, except for the bow) setups of Circle Backs for a good price. Satisfied my Kem curiosity. Don't think I would pay the current price, let alone the upcoming new price for just one setup.
ekricket
Royal Flush
Just wait till Black Friday, when they have warehouses of unsold cards to move.
drdr
Flush
I read it to mean narrow (bridge) jumbo are discontinued. I expect poker size jumbo still to continue.
Still doesn't make much business sense. Happy if someone can clarify for us all.
ekricket
Royal Flush
Too many product variations cause too many quality control issues, especially with the quality of workers. A couple of runs of bridge sized print on poker sized cards will cause you to rethink your product mix.
drdr
Flush
True. But up to now wasn't there just four combinations/variations? From many threads it seems many prefer bridge jumbo. Price increase and reduced options may hurt their market share. Their fault I guess.
ekricket
Royal Flush
I think you greatly overestimate the ability of todays workers. That’s three too many for most to comprehend anymore. When all you can process is “push button, then wait for finished product” there’s not a lot of room for complicated directions involving four products.
Yes, many here at pcf prefer bridge jumbo. But we’re just a small collection of hobbyists with aging eyes. Casinos still prefer standard index.
FWIW, I didn’t read it as them discontinuing bridge jumbo, just two styles of bridge jumbo. Of course if those were the last two styles of bridge jumbo, there you go.
They’d have to give em to me. I rank Kem below anything else plastic due to the bowing issue
A lot of the KEM Decks I have which are from casinos or specialty designs I have never taken them out of the plastic wrapping and just have them for display because of the known bowing issues.
That's insane. If you like Kem's handling then try Angel SPNN633P or Lot Fancy at a tiny fraction of the price. Lot Fancy's handling is wonderful. Not as limp as Kem and not as stiff as most other PVC cards. They nailed the "sweet spot" IMHO.
Colquhoun
4 of a Kind
I think for shuffling, the Broken Arrow are the smoothest, but for sheer flexibility, I haven’t found anything as thin and flexy as KEM.
If you don’t like very flexible cards, there no reason to go with KEM…especially now that they’re into the stratosphere with prices.
If you don’t like very flexible cards, there no reason to go with KEM…especially now that they’re into the stratosphere with prices.
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Ragsy
Sitting Out
FAR KEM
Wow that's crazy, Kem's gonna price themselves out of the market.
Maybe a business decision was made to limit the supply, make the product feel exclusive, charge a premium.
For me and my budget....I say:
FAR KEM
Wow that's crazy, Kem's gonna price themselves out of the market.
Maybe a business decision was made to limit the supply, make the product feel exclusive, charge a premium.
For me and my budget....I say:
FAR KEM
WedgeRock
Royal Flush
There will be a day when NAGB's will focus on casino KEMs. No way casinos are paying $50 (or will pay $80) for a setup.
The thought crossed my mind yesterday. NAGB chips price vs Chiproom chips price is now pretty similar to KEM price vs Copag price.
Will the new cards bow 60% more severely as well?
Colquhoun
4 of a Kind
Bowing is not a glitch, it’s a feature!
drdr
Flush
Maybe this makes does make sense for KEM. Those that hate them still won't buy them. Those that love them will continue to buy anyhow. May lose only a small proportion of buyers. Even if they lose 25% of sales they will be making more in sale $.
Colquhoun
4 of a Kind
Except as a company, you can't rely on current customers to make your profits...you need to always be gaining new ground. I can't see how this price increase helps to bring anyone new to the KEM brand.
Probably. However, I just interpret this as meaning I'll be buying more Copag, Da Vinci, or Desjgn.
churlbut18
Full House
I’m one of the few who still love KEM. I’ve used the same 2 decks of KEM arrows for 2-3 years now. No warping issues.
KEM are cellulose acetate, not PVC. If not KEM, what is another available cellulose acetate option?
KEM are cellulose acetate, not PVC. If not KEM, what is another available cellulose acetate option?
Good question. Not too damn many. Modiano Platinums, which I’m not sure if they’re made anymore. Some cardimundis that I don’t think are made anymore.
You can check Dix redneck list, but I don’t think that’s completely accurate. He’s got davinci listed as cellulose acetate, and maybe once upon a time they were, but I’d bet my butt that my davinci setup is pvc made by Modiano.
He’s got Piatnik listed as cellulose acetate as well, but I dunno, I got rid of all mine because they were stiffer than I liked. And they’re hard to get.
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/resources/the-redneck-poker-card-database-2-0.76/
churlbut18
Full House
Yah these are the only ones I was aware of and too your point, not even sure they’re produced anymore. And I think they make PVC versions so you’d have to find the ones that actually say acetate.
Modiano Platinum Acetate
Dal Negro Acetate
Cartamundi Acetate
Angel also has an acetate version....
pokerplayingpisces
Full House
Agree with this completely. IMHO, Angel cards are the closest to Kem that I’ve found.
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