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Josh Kifer said:
I can't quite figure out what the issue is, and why is there no pictures of chips?
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The issue, for me, Josh...

Buying this set unbeknownst to me at the time I got it...
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...cost me a lifetime of missed chip buying opportunities from a good seller. I like the guy too so that's why there is disappointment on my end. Is all.
 
Jeevansluck said:
The issue, for me, Josh...

Buying this set unbeknownst to me at the time I got it...
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...cost me a lifetime of missed chip buying opportunities from a good seller. I like the guy too so that's why there is disappointment on my end. Is all.
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This seems very very dramatic. Have we remembered that all of us are nerds?
 
But do you all remember the 21st night of September?

On a serious note, however, I remember always stumbling upon posts on CT back in 2005 when I was looking to make my first "serious" chip purchase.

I also remember fantasising about all of the Paulsons, ASMs and TRKs that @David Spragg had on his site back then, too — but never pulling the trigger because I was on a student budget. Sigh...
 
Jeevansluck said:
Asking for a discount is a natural facet of business, for me anyways, and it was a privately requested discount. It's nothing new or outrageous to ask for a price break or discount. Many members have received PMs from me asking for price adjustment or forgiveness. Not a big deal. Some refuse, some agree and offer breaks. Never been an issue.

My disappointment lies in the idea, because I continued buying at whatever rate I choose after a $10 discount, the seller was willing to shut out a repeating customer over that $10. (I've probably shopped 15 times with the seller and never asked for a discount before, but at that time, yes, I was low on funds and he was putting the pressure on to complete because I had renegged before). So what if I buy more chips in the following weeks? Why should I be accountable for the $10? What's wrong with asking for one privately? Many others agree and don't say the next time..."I'm gonna need that discount back". Give me a break! That's ridiculous

Look I'm not perfect. The $2k set he's referring to, that purchase was only completed because my wife gave me the money. You ought to read the sales thread. I had to wait half a day to acquire the funds to pay Changster. I borrowed the fu$#ing money to buy Pharaoh's I regretfully sold when I first joined. Overall, still my prerogative what I do with my money. The seller could have just refused to offer a price break, and I still probably would have completed. Many sellers tell me no, I go ahead and finish.

I'm not a bad guy. I post dibs, and at times, cash flow changes and I back out when things come to fruition. That's about my only bad quality. I try to be a good solid member here, try to help, and try to be a good seller. I've got a few feedbacks about my interactions with people.

I felt it's a degraded community if for $10, a guy can't deal anymore. After having so many successful transactions.

My money and allowances come in waves. There are times when I cant pay small bills but then at other times, I pay big ones.
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Personally I can't stand the me first attitude and since you are too fucking clueless to understand who I mean. I mean YOU.

Whenever I ask someone for a favour, the first thing I do is try and pay that favour back, not whine about it and certainly not over fucking $10.
 
Josh Kifer said:
This seems very very dramatic. Have we remembered that all of us are nerds?
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I have no dog in any fight, but I think it's kind of silly to cut someone off from a potential life time of sales over $10, even if it was based on principle. If they want to not sell to someone, it's their business, but if they have a low threshold for not selling to someone and before they know it half the forum is on their "do not sell to" list, well, I'll just say "GLWS" and move on. I'm not slandering the seller in this case, as I have no idea of who they are, but when push comes to shove, Nav has always come through and is as reliable as can be, at least as a seller in my interactions with him (I haven't sold anything to him). Time heals most wounds @Jeevansluck , I wouldn't worry about it too much. Unless you're after some one of a kind racks, there will always be another sale of a particular chip that will come to light eventually. It also helps to have friends here that have an idea of your wants either through conversations in passing or from wanted ads. ;)
 
I joined CT in 2010 and left in 2014 as part of the PCF exodus.

In my time at CT, I remember assholes and amazing people, profiteers and chippers who wouldn't sell to you for a penny more than they paid, and plenty of internet drama. I bought chips and other items from members and vendors, sold a few things, got ripped off once, and had a short list of people that I wouldn't do business with for various reasons. I never went to any CT meetups, but I did attend a couple (and host one!) through the 2+2 Home Poker Forum back then, and there was a little overlap in the folks who attended.

I always thought of CT as a community - not the site itself, but the people - and I came to PCF because that community largely moved here. And guess what? The assholes, profiteers, and drama came here along with the amazing chippers and vendors. But so what? The world is full of people like that, and most of us adults have coping mechanisms to deal with them.

I've never really gone for the "Make PCF Great Again!" sentiment, because I think it's always been great.
 
JMC9389 said:
I have no dog in any fight, but I think it's kind of silly to cut someone off from a potential life time of sales over $10, even if it was based on principle. If they want to not sell to someone, it's their business, but if they have a low threshold for not selling to someone and before they know it half the forum is on their "do not sell to" list, well, I'll just say "GLWS" and move on. I'm not slandering the seller in this case, as I have no idea of who they are, but when push comes to shove, Nav has always come through and is as reliable as can be, at least as a seller in my interactions with him (I haven't sold anything to him). Time heals most wounds @Jeevansluck , I wouldn't worry about it too much. Unless you're after some one of a kind racks, there will always be another sale of a particular chip that will come to light eventually. It also helps to have friends here that have an idea of your wants either through conversations in passing or from wanted ads. ;)
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People will do what they wanna do. Even I have a list of people I won't do business with. And most of those reasons are from annoyance and petty shit. I guess I wouldn't take it very hard if someone said they didn't wanna do business with me. I'd start laughing and just go on my way.

I'm a sassy bastard tho.
 
Hey - I remember those cancelled Paulsons! St. Joe's. It was a tragedy seeing all of those chips damaged from the cancelation hotstamp.

I agree things went downhill at CT at around the time memberships were introduced. Rather than adding features - he took away basic forum features (avatars) and severely limited others (PM mailbox size) to 'create' value for paid membership. Rather than, you know, actually providing value for membership. The timing also coincided the China clay as legitimate compressed clay bullshit. It was Ten getting greedy and trying to monetize everything. You could also pay to have a bunch of other distracting nonsense (enhanced name font, stupid animated badges, etc).

PCF is not as good as CT from 2005-2009. It's just not. But that may likely be a result of the everything being different back then and what life is like now. Not anything specific about the CT membership vs PCF membership. I think people here on PCF are largely super friendly folks. The big difference is it was poker boom times back then and the poker chip world was much more plentiful with multiple manufacturers, etc. There was always an amazing group buy going on back then. There's an amazing one going on right now on PCF (custom ceramic buy).

Bottom line, if you dig home poker and poker chips this place is the only place to be. Everything else is gone.

Addressing the derail about buying and selling. There's nothing wrong with a buyer trying to negotiate a cheaper price. Seller can just say no. There's also nothing wrong with the seller refusing to sell to that buyer in the future. Everything that happens outside of agreed upon terms is just sour grapes and adults acting like bratty children. Too much entitled BS.
 
I do have to say, the supporting member for no ads is a freaking great value. I can't even figure out why anyone would see this as negative. Completely optional, same service either way if you do or don't do it, and you get a faster and ad-less site. Hating that is barking up the wrong tree.
 
BPTDirector said:
I’m giving it 39 days before my decision to stay or go. Let’s have a good, honest look at what we really have and try to make it better.

Thanks for going down memory lane with me. It’s 16 years and counting let’s hope the count keeps growing.

BPT
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Question for OP: What are hoping to see over the next 39 days that will influence you to stay? Not a criticism, just curious.

I never experienced the good old days of chipping, but I still see that sense of community through meetups and in my interactions with many members. However, I rarely feel that when looking at classifieds, where more than half of the ads are targeting noobs/suckers trying to get them to pay a premium (wasn’t around for CT so not sure if it’s always been like this).

I take PCF for what I know it as: a place where chippers can share in their interest in the hobby and which has lots of great members, but not necessarily the place to get great deals on chips (at least through classifieds).
 
ChipFinderSK said:
I never experienced the good old days of chipping, but I still see that sense of community through meetups and in my interactions with many members. However, I rarely feel that when looking at classifieds, where more than half of the ads are targeting noobs/suckers trying to get them to pay a premium (wasn’t around for CT so not sure if it’s always been like this).
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Classified at CT was a bit different. But again, likely a product of being in a different era. There was no way in hell that people would be selling chips for +$5/chip. But that's because noone would ever pay that price. Too many options from 90¢ to $1.50 per chip for numerous high end options.

Classified here at PCF does seem extreme with chips sometimes going for $200 a barrel. Just the nature of the times. Limited supply and plenty of suckers (or buyers) with large bankrolls.
 
ChipFinderSK said:
Question for OP: What are hoping to see over the next 39 days that will influence you to stay? Not a criticism, just curious.
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I'm obviously not speaking for the OP. But...I'm just guessing here, that this thread isn't going to influence him to stay!
Honestly, as awesome as it would be go get into the go-back machine....I don't see current day looking much like CT-days, ever again.
 
I love the bickering, this place is almost as dramatic as CT, but not quite. Mods aren't as overbearing here... I don't think. I guess I don't post enough or pay attention.

I remember being part of the original pharaohs group buy (not the cheap chinese crap they pretended was the same years later). God we waited so long for those stupid chips to be produced. I bought a cash set... I just couldn't get over the cheesy "PAULSON" mold... not a single tophat or cane.... I kept searching for an original James Bond set, but to no avail. I wish I had my cactus jacks (real clay BC chips- no not the ceramic crap). Part of the sickness was the hunt, then when I had them, I was bored. Samurais I would have kept were they brighter, but alas that was the theme..I get it. I remember playing cash games with Guinness' Olivias, those black $1's were so sweet.

I miss the poker games, I'd like to start playing a regular game again. Been going to the cheesy casino down the road, 1/2 NL - easy, but odd crowd.
 
God I remember that site that sold the Cigar and snifter mold chips... they came "pre oiled" for only $2 per chip for BC's...at the time you could get paulsons for a buck... I shit on that dude every chance I could. God I was angry back then, was in a dark place in my life, before I got divorced and the sun came out. Still a prick, but I just don't care enough to get involved with shit anymore. I can't believe I'm on here on a friggin saturday afternoon. Definitely because it's nearly 100 outside... the internets just aren't fun anymore.
 
I probably don't post nearly as much as I should/could, so for that I apologize...

Didn't have kids or the same job I do now back when I started on ChipTalk or for the years that I was on the site or helped out as a moderator there.

I will say though, that despite everything that has gone on, good and bad alike, I have enjoyed the ride with everyone that I have had the pleasure of dealing with since the beginning [St. Jo Frontier Paulson chips for me].
There will always be good, and bad, every one of us just has to decide what we let affect us, or not.

I choose to always try to focus on the positive, and like to try and help contribute to it when I can [getting chips for members at cost from Puerto Rico, sending a needed chip or 2 for free to members, etc, etc]

So here's to looking forward to what lies ahead...
Keep chippin' and stay positive !!!
:tup::tup::tup:
 
Jeevansluck said:
Wish I'd have known these times. I have had a mixed bag of experiences in my short time on here ..

Is this considered a "community" type of response???
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Wow Nav just wow.

I was the one who wrote that and I stand by every word of it it. I’ve had about 4 dealings with you and each one was mediocre at best including our first when you agreed to a purchase then overnight went and bought the same chips from someone else and didn’t even have the respect to tell me until I followed up with you the next morning. Add on two other equally unfavorable experiences to the point where I said you needed to pay for full the same day you commit to a purchase (because of the continuous issues of sticking to your word and you yourself agreed to it and again apologized about the previous issues) and I take full responsibility for being foolish for trying to deal with you a 4th time.

This time, given our 3 previous times, I asked you to follow through to your word. You then come back again saying you were strapped for funds and if there was anything I could do for you on an $80 purchase you’d really appreciate it so because I felt bad, I dropped $10 off the price. Why? Cause despite it being a continuous problems it’s not about the money to me and despite the hassle you always apologize and say I’m really sorry, thanks for working with me, won’t happen again etc etc etc.

Then what do I see for the next couple of months? You buying thousands of dollars worth of new chips after you supposedly had a significant enough cash flow problem that $80 was enough money for you to try to reneg on your purchase and tell me a story so you could get the chips you agreed to buy at my listed price for cheaper.

Just like I said in my message to you it wasn’t about the $10, it’s that you continuously did not keep your word with me then after working out another discount over $80 you go and spend 40x that. How is that supposed to make me feel about you? The whole reason I won’t deal with you anymore is I can’t trust you to follow through with your commitments and if you can’t trust someone’s word it’s not much of a community.
 
99%evil said:
I love the bickering, this place is almost as dramatic as CT, but not quite. Mods aren't as overbearing here... I don't think. I guess I don't post enough or pay attention.

I remember being part of the original pharaohs group buy (not the cheap chinese crap they pretended was the same years later). God we waited so long for those stupid chips to be produced. I bought a cash set... I just couldn't get over the cheesy "PAULSON" mold... not a single tophat or cane.... I kept searching for an original James Bond set, but to no avail. I wish I had my cactus jacks (real clay BC chips- no not the ceramic crap). Part of the sickness was the hunt, then when I had them, I was bored. Samurais I would have kept were they brighter, but alas that was the theme..I get it. I remember playing cash games with Guinness' Olivias, those black $1's were so sweet.

I miss the poker games, I'd like to start playing a regular game again. Been going to the cheesy casino down the road, 1/2 NL - easy, but odd crowd.
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Ha - I remember when someone got banned from CT they started their own forum - something like Talkchips or Talkingchips.
 
ReallyGoodUsername said:
Wow Nav just wow.

I was the one who wrote that and I stand by every word of it it. I’ve had about 4 dealings with you and each one was mediocre at best including our first when you agreed to a purchase then overnight went and bought the same chips from someone else and didn’t even have the respect to tell me until I followed up with you the next morning. Add on two other equally unfavorable experiences to the point where I said you needed to pay for full the same day you commit to a purchase (because of the continuous issues of sticking to your word and you yourself agreed to it and again apologized about the previous issues) and I take full responsibility for being foolish for trying to deal with you a 4th time.

This time, given our 3 previous times, I asked you to follow through to your word. You then come back again saying you were strapped for funds and if there was anything I could do for you on an $80 purchase you’d really appreciate it so because I felt bad, I dropped $10 off the price. Why? Cause despite it being a continuous problems it’s not about the money to me and despite the hassle you always apologize and say I’m really sorry, thanks for working with me, won’t happen again etc etc etc.

Then what do I see for the next couple of months? You buying thousands of dollars worth of new chips after you supposedly had a significant enough cash flow problem that $80 was enough money for you to try to reneg on your purchase and tell me a story so you could get the chips you agreed to buy at my listed price for cheaper.

Just like I said in my message to you it wasn’t about the $10, it’s that you continuously did not keep your word with me then after working out another discount over $80 you do and spend 40x that. How is that supposed to make me feel about you? The whole reason I won’t deal with you anymore is I can’t trust you to follow through with your commitments and if you can’t trust someone’s word it’s not much of a community.
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I'm really sorry to hear this Tom. Both of you have been great to me and I've had good dealings with you both.

What the hell is going on here lately?
 
TheDuke said:
Ha - I remember when someone got banned from CT they started their own forum - something like Talkchips or Talkingchips.
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LOL it was Chipchat... god I can't remember what I called it. I sold the site for a set of ceramics I designed after the palms rainbow chips. Only set I still have...other than the Set of Mardi Gras I left at Guinness.

That site was great, all the misfits and me with no clue at the wheel. I gave a few folks global mod power and bailed out. I want to break the system not make it.
 
ReallyGoodUsername said:
Wow Nav just wow.

I was the one who wrote that and I stand by every word of it it. I’ve had about 4 dealings with you and each one was mediocre at best including our first when you agreed to a purchase then overnight went and bought the same chips from someone else and didn’t even have the respect to tell me until I followed up with you the next morning. Add on two other equally unfavorable experiences to the point where I said you needed to pay for full the same day you commit to a purchase (because of the continuous issues of sticking to your word and you yourself agreed to it and again apologized about the previous issues) and I take full responsibility for being foolish for trying to deal with you a 4th time.

This time, given our 3 previous times, I asked you to follow through to your word. You then come back again saying you were strapped for funds and if there was anything I could do for you on an $80 purchase you’d really appreciate it so because I felt bad, I dropped $10 off the price. Why? Cause despite it being a continuous problems it’s not about the money to me and despite the hassle you always apologize and say I’m really sorry, thanks for working with me, won’t happen again etc etc etc.

Then what do I see for the next couple of months? You buying thousands of dollars worth of new chips after you supposedly had a significant enough cash flow problem that $80 was enough money for you to try to reneg on your purchase and tell me a story so you could get the chips you agreed to buy at my listed price for cheaper.

Just like I said in my message to you it wasn’t about the $10, it’s that you continuously did not keep your word with me then after working out another discount over $80 you go and spend 40x that. How is that supposed to make me feel about you? The whole reason I won’t deal with you anymore is I can’t trust you to follow through with your commitments and if you can’t trust someone’s word it’s not much of a community.
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I told a core group of people that I talk to on a daily basis when this happened to make them aware but decided to not air it publicly because it doesn’t solve anything but if you’re going to post about it and not put it in context I will.
 
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WedgeRock said:
Chipchat?
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LOL. That's it. I remember it pissed off Ten and his mod crew.
99%evil said:
God I remember that site that sold the Cigar and snifter mold chips... they came "pre oiled" for only $2 per chip for BC's...at the time you could get paulsons for a buck... I shit on that dude every chance I could. God I was angry back then, was in a dark place in my life, before I got divorced and the sun came out. Still a prick, but I just don't care enough to get involved with shit anymore. I can't believe I'm on here on a friggin saturday afternoon. Definitely because it's nearly 100 outside... the internets just aren't fun anymore.
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That was Stephan at Sidepot.

I remember when BCC announced that they would soon exit the market that I reached out to him about using his snifter mold for my custom set. I think he wanted to charge like $1/chip to use it. So I went with the MGK mold.
 

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