How would you rule? (2 Viewers)

[WedgeRock]

Where's that video from the WSOP 10-15 years ago where the Russian moves in a stack, then pulls it back and bets two chips and the floor is called and the floor ruled the bet was only the two chips?

 

[bergs]

This is the most respectful post I've ever seen you write. Where did the bad man touch you?

I was temporarily transported to a live game where I’m drunk, happy, and cordial (and probably drunk and happy due to several cordials).

Allow me to rephrase in the manner to which we’ve becoming endearingly accustomed.

 

[bergs]

I would hit the player with a chair, snap suplex him on the hood of the car of the player I liked the least at the game, and then force him to eat each of the 6 redbirds that he illegally bet while writing “I will not string bet” on his own face with permanent marker.

 

[Ethan]

 

[glynn]

The stack he moved across the betting line contained more than $30.

How did you know this.

 

[Machine]

I've only heard of what passes the line (in a cash game) is the bet at one casino, talk about an easy angle.

This is the worse nonsense in poker. You can find rules (written) that say if a player picks up 30 in chips, moves them past the betting line and with their hand still past the betting line, can add to the bet. They can also move chips into the pot if the first hand is posted in the pot. I'm not saying I agree with all this, but I think in the best spirit of the game. If there is a pause and the player keeps doing and say they watch someone else as they do it, you can claim an angle.

If the player picked up 40 to drop chips into the pot, and with the hand over the line puts down the 40, and says 60, the bet should be 60. There are aspects where if the next player makes an action, because the current player is too slow, it can affect the outcome.

Tournament play I would defer, but cash, the spirit of the game is action, let the action play!

 

[Machine]

How did you know this.

Because there are two types of people in this world, those that can infer by data given ...


The stack contained enough chips to place a 15 bet with some left over, and started with the 15 that dropped off

 

[Rhodeman77]

The important question I haven’t seen asked yet (not on page 2 though) is this the card licker?

Bet is $15 BTW, if you say otherwise, you are wrong.

 

[davislane]

I've only heard of what passes the line (in a cash game) is the bet at one casino, talk about an easy angle.

This is the worse nonsense in poker. You can find rules (written) that say if a player picks up 30 in chips, moves them past the betting line and with their hand still past the betting line, can add to the bet. They can also move chips into the pot if the first hand is posted in the pot. I'm not saying I agree with all this, but I think in the best spirit of the game. If there is a pause and the player keeps doing and say they watch someone else as they do it, you can claim an angle.

If the player picked up 40 to drop chips into the pot, and with the hand over the line puts down the 40, and says 60, the bet should be 60. There are aspects where if the next player makes an action, because the current player is too slow, it can affect the outcome.

Tournament play I would defer, but cash, the spirit of the game is action, let the action play!

The only casino that you can play cash games in my city have rules stating the following

So given the player with forward motion, pushed a stack that crossed the betting line then later announced $30 after their chips had fallen off, the movement of the stack would be considered the first action. The fact that some chips fell off that stack and back past the line doesn't change the action.

Given that OP cant recall whether they had $30 or $40 doesn't really matter with respect to people saying that the bet is $15. The bet is what ever was in the stack before chips fell off, well at least in my home casino.

 

[MrCatPants]

The important question I haven’t seen asked yet (not on page 2 though) is this the card licker?

Bet is $15 BTW, if you say otherwise, you are wrong.

Yes

 

[buzzmonkey]

I would hit the player with a chair, snap suplex him on the hood of the car of the player I liked the least at the game, and then force him to eat each of the 6 redbirds that he illegally bet while writing “I will not string bet” on his own face with permanent marker.

I've done this actually. It's called a Stone Cold Post Malone.

 

[Gunnar]

He then releases three red chips ($15) over the line

This is the bet, everything else is ridiculous. Standard TDA ruling and happens often in tournament. if the motion of dropping or pushing chips into the bet is complete before the verbal is announced then the motion counts. If you declare a bigger bet before the motion is complete then the verbal counts.

I sometimes throw in one chip and say All-in if the chip lands before I say all-in then it is just a bet...

 

[detroitdad]

$15 bet, and a warning that next time it's the entire stack.

Never $30, that's a clear string bet.

This

 

[doublebooyah85]

As you guys knows we play with a lot of $5s, I’ll grip a barrel with my hand and come across the line and release two stacks of $25, boom, $50 bet, then pull my hand back w the rest of the $5s barreled in my hand ($50 bet/$50 remain in my grip.)

This has never been a problem.

If $15 fell from the barrel I would just continue my motion to make it $50.

If I pulled back and went forward again…too late.

If all the motions were consistent and I added verbal sure you’re good…make it $50.

How fast and smooth did it happen? Sounds like verbal was too late…idk definitely one you need to be there to see how it went down.

Friendly home game? I’m going w a warning and an insult/joke to the player to teach him a lesson.

 

[davislane]

How fast and smooth did it happen? Sounds like verbal was too late…idk definitely one you need to be there to see how it went down

this. was the stack slide across the felt? was the stack in the players hand and still in the are when motioning forward? those details matter.

 

[p5woody]

I would look at my hand to determine what bet size would be best for me.

 

[JMC9389]

No. Because if they happened at the same time, verbal controls. But that’s not what happened here.

Lol.

[moves entire stack forward but doesn't let go.]

[Waits 30 seconds, looking at opponent to react.]

[Verbalizes "check."]

I think I misunderstood what happened in the OP. It sounded like to me the player picked up 30 in chips, but three were lost in their grip and fell over the line, but in the next motion the remaining three went over, and then announced his bet of 30.

If they put 15 out, waited a bit, and then deliberately put out 15 more for 30, then yeah, that's a string bet, and I'd hold them to the 15.

 

[MrCatPants]

I think I misunderstood what happened in the OP. It sounded like to me the player picked up 30 in chips, but three were lost in their grip and fell over the line, but in the next motion the remaining three went over, and then announced his bet of 30.

If they put 15 out, waited a bit, and then deliberately put out 15 more for 30, then yeah, that's a string bet, and I'd hold them to the 15.

Chips fell back.
Chips were released.
30 verbalized.
Some fallen chips added.

 

[JMC9389]

Chips fell back.
Chips were released.
30 verbalized.
Some fallen chips added.

Then the 30's binding. It does sound like they meant to put 30 out but dropped a couple before verbal action was taken a split second after.

 

[Gunnar]

I say the bet is treefiddy

 

[MrCatPants]

Then the 30's binding. It does sound like they meant to put 30 out but dropped a couple before verbal action was taken a split second after.

Whole second and half. Not split second. How long of a gap between chips and verbal before you'd say the bet is 15?

 

[bergs]

I've done this actually. It's called a Stone Cold Post Malone.

Did it work?

 

[bergs]

Chips fell back.
Chips were released.
30 verbalized.
Some fallen chips added.

RIP fallen chips. You’re all heroes to me.

 

[Frogzilla]

If playing with a hard betting line it’s the stack that crossed the line.

If not then it’s the $15 that was first action.

At my home game almost certainly it’s a warning/needle to bet more carefully then let player bet as intended for $30.

 

[MrCatPants]

At my home game almost certainly it’s a warning/needle to bet more carefully then let player bet as intended for $30.

This is what we did.

 

[buzzmonkey]

RIP fallen chips. You’re all heroes to me.

Kicked out on two.

 

[Jimulacrum]

From the sound of it, player made what anyone would recognize as a bet of 15, and then a significant moment later tried to make it 30 verbally.

Bet is 15, with a polite Bergmanian apology and a pointer of how to do it right next time.

One of my pet peeves is players who can't be bothered to verbalize in a spot where there's room for confusion. After the chip fumble, why throw 15 forward and then try to amend it afterward? Just say you're betting 30 before you release anything, so there's no question. So many problems arise from people wanting to bet in ways that are unnecessary and leave room for angling.

Example:

As you guys knows we play with a lot of $5s, I’ll grip a barrel with my hand and come across the line and release two stacks of $25, boom, $50 bet, then pull my hand back w the rest of the $5s barreled in my hand ($50 bet/$50 remain in my grip.)

Why not verbalize "50" on your way out? As you're doing this, no one has any way of knowing if you want to bet 5, 10, 50, or the whole 100 until you're done cutting chips. It creates a spot that you could take advantage of in exactly the way that the prohibition on string bets is meant to prevent.

Do I think you're personally trying to do that? No. But it doesn't matter. With this being the norm, anyone can decide to bring a whole barrel forward and bet anywhere from 5 to 100, while gauging other players' responses.

This has never been a problem.

It's never a problem until it's a problem.

 

[detroitdad]

How would you rule?

Post flop, when checked to, a player picks up a stack of chips, moves the stack over the betting line. A few chips fall off the top, back towards his stack and behind the line. He then releases three red chips ($15) over the line. Then a second later says $30, and fishes the chips that fell backwards to complete the bet.

Back when we played NLHE. I had a local that liked to grab a barrel of fives. Then drop a few chips as his bet. He was a once or twice a year player. I warned him that whatever dropped was going to be bet. Of course one time there was less than 10 bucks in the pot. When he did this move. He ended up betting $60's instead of $10. I made it stand. He lost the hand. He did quit betting like that.

 

[Josh Kifer]

$15 bet, and a warning that next time it's the entire stack.

Never $30, that's a clear string bet.

THIS.

AND HES GUILTY!

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

As you guys knows we play with a lot of $5s, I’ll grip a barrel with my hand and come across the line and release two stacks of $25, boom, $50 bet, then pull my hand back w the rest of the $5s barreled in my hand ($50 bet/$50 remain in my grip.)

This has never been a problem.

If $15 fell from the barrel I would just continue my motion to make it $50.

If I pulled back and went forward again…too late.

If all the motions were consistent and I added verbal sure you’re good…make it $50.

How fast and smooth did it happen? Sounds like verbal was too late…idk definitely one you need to be there to see how it went down.

If you're saying you have a full barrel in your hand, you move out, drop $25 in one pile, then slide over and drop $25 more in another pile, then take the rest back without verbalizing anything, then by my understanding that is the very definition of a string bet and should not be allowed.

Friendly home game? I’m going w a warning and an insult/joke to the player to teach him a lesson.

Oh yeah, there was joking and insulting. For the entire rest of the night.